[OhCanada-Participant]

 Which player or players do you see as the most overrated in this years prospect pool. 

For me its Luke Kennard and Harry Giles. Hate to go all Duke here but those are my guys. 

Kennard just seems to hit alot of shots where he is shooting over defences or teams loaded up on Dukes other players leaving Kennard wide open. Even on shots where he created his own offense he lacks the burst and creativity to be effective in the NBA against longer and more athletic defenders. I dont see him as much more than a shooter in the NBA. 

Giles was just terrible. Alot of people said he shouldnt have played or blame coach K… whatever. Fact is he played and he sucked. I really hope the kids career gets back on track but I would be royally pissed if my Raptors drafted him ahead of guys like Motley or Swanigan. Alot of people think it would be wise for the Nets to draft him but I honestly think that is crazy. Why would a team with no assets risk gaining a good young player in this deep draft. They already tried that with Mccollough and it didnt work out. I think there is a strong possibility he goes undrafted. 

 

 

 

[BleedingBlueParticipant]

 Your entire post made me LOL

You haven’t watched a single full Duke game this season have you? Luke Kennard is the furthest thing from a spot-up shooter like you said. He is usually the most guarded player on the court whenever he plays and he excels the most in C&S off the screen or creating off the dribble. It takes a lot for a late first-rounder to be the "most overrated prospect" in a draft and he won’t be that. Not even close.

Harry Giles has a first-round guarantee. I’ll put it at that.

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Maybe I put it the wrong way. The way he creates space wont be effective in the NBA. He wont be able to carve his way through guys like he does in college. He always uses that shot fake too which gets him a half step then uses those runners or pull ups. He has t-rex arms and is only 6’5 to begin with and has no explosiveness. 

And maybe Im wrong about Kennard Ill give you that but yes Ive watched Duke play about 15 games this year and Ive seen Kennard do some spectacular things Ill give him all the credit he deserves but on the next stage I just dont think hell be more than a spot up shooter. 

You have no arguement for Giles which makes me LOL. Just "Giles has a 1st round promise". 

 

 

[r377Participant]

Jonathon Isaac currently at 5 ahead of Jayson Tatum. Isaac has been overhyped all year, as has Bacon.

Donovan Mitchell is too small and can’t finish around the rim.

Terrance Ferguson ranked 17 on here and 14 on the other site has done absolutely nothing to warrant a first round pick being used on him….

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 Taytum has a shorter wingspan which could lead to defensive issues maybe I think has his at 6’9 and he is 6’8

vs Issac being 6’10 and having a 7’0 wingspan.. Another reason is maybe the fact one is a stretch 4(all the rage) vs a scoring forward which the Nba is sort of moving more away from in some regards… This maybe why peole may have issac higher.

 

[Sewok15Participant]

 Exactly Tatum’s Iso heavy game will only fit well with some teams where one would assume Issac would fit almost anywhere with his shot blocking and 3 point shooting.

 Somebody like the Kings might favor Tatum since they need help scoring on the wing assuming Rudy Gay opts out. A team like Minnesota or Philly that already has a number of players who need the ball in their hands would likely prefer Isaac. 

[kobyzParticipant]

Orlando also needs desperately go to guy scoring player, and Tatum has more potential in that regard…

[r377Participant]

Tatum is perfect size for a SF.

Not sure why ppl think Isaac will go number 4 in the draft. Reminds me of Perry Jones situation. For 2 years Aran had him in his top 5, you couldn’t say a bad word about him, before all the sheep the flock together and neg you. No genuine reason or explaination why users thought he would be so good as a pro, except Aran had him high on his mocks so naturally all the kids would follow.

Same with Jonathon Isaac, he hasn’t really done much. He has potential, but just because Aran has him at 4/5 for virtually the whole season doesn’t mean he will be an all-star or get picked that high….

[BallerScriptParticipant]

 If the Celtics drop out of the top 3 and can’t find a trade partner I can definitely see them taking Isaac if Fultz, Ball and Jackson go before him.

[JordanC20Participant]

 Miles Bridges…just another Derrick Williams

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 I hate to say this it all depends on what the teams drafting need and how many injuries a player has had.

As a team that may need a particular player may buy into the hype e.g lonzo Ball to lakers which is out there.

Me personally the players I would be quite hesitant to draft in the top 15:

Giles-Next G.O all over him how many surgeries has they guy had already, good on the guy cashing in now and I hope he proves me wrong but I would be really scared of taking him in the top 15.

Dennis smith…I see D-rose take 2 the guys style of play will maybe predispose him to injuires which is what would put me off taking him in the top 10 also the wing span – height is slightly worrying for me as I don’t know if he can be a legit two way player. However he could be the second coming of the I.T/Ulis pg(undersized) and light teams up while he is there..

Malik Monk personally I don’t know what position you put this kid in and I don’t know if thats a good thing. Didn’t show he is a pg at college and to short and skinny to be a full time SG as he will get abused by the bigger 6’4+  Sg every time at the next level..It kind of screams jimmer if you ask me.. I definitely see a team taking in the first round but if they are smart it wont be with a top 10 pick as the guy does look like a lou williams type guard which can help a bench out..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[warson24]

Kennard and Justin Jackson are clearly the most overrated prospects along with Tyler Lydon and with every idea having Lauri Markkannen as a top 5 prospect… For me Kennard is a Jimmer Fredette 2.0, Jackson is a physically weak Justin Anderson with less defense, Lydon a Jarrod Uthoff, and Markkanen a Ryan Anderson (whom I’ll never touch with a top 7 pick)…
Giles will be a first roudner for sure, just like Labissiere his pedigree won’t let him fall out the first round.
 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Very different situations. 

Labissiere showed flashes of a perimeter game at Kentucky which wasnt used so he had somethimg to fall back on. Giles shot a tetrible FT% which would be his only indicator of any touch. 

While both players had trouble staying on the court with foul problems Giles was much worse.

Labissieres inexperience was due to him just recently starting to play basketball coming from Haiti and barely playing the recent year. Giles was due to major injuries. 

Labissiere had a bunch of big games late in the year and showed he could be an impact. Giles had one good half in the ACC tournament championship. 

I think people are just trying to be nice because of his injuries but hes not going 1st round. Even if he had no more injury concerns he wouldnt be going 1st round with the production and skillset he showed. Look at Deyonta Davis for example, slipped right into the second round. 

 

[airenn34Participant]

How are you gonna say Justin Jackson is overrated when this site has him going 29 and mostly every mock has him mid to late first round? Giles is the definition of overrated. Guy averages 4 freaking points a game and like 6 rebounds and he’s still projected to go lottery. That is moronic. The only thing that he has potential on is a short career because of shot knees.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I’ll follow up on Giles and Kennard.  Luke was an absolute stud this year.  He’s elite offensively.  He basically has no weaknesses on the offensive end.  He’s not an elite athlete by any means but he’s no slouch either.  You can’t leave him open because he’ll kill you.  He’ll have a hard time against the strength, length, athleticism and quickness at the NBA level, but at the very least he’ll be a shooting specialist.  Giles is massivley overrated.  I’m stunned .that someone is going to pick this guy in the first round with his glass knees.  He was so foul prone this year and his lateral movement is non-existent.  People have to understand there is a complete difference between mixed tape and pre-injury Giles and the actual Harry Giles that averaged 4 and 4 in eleven minutes per game this year.  Maybe he returns to some semblance of his elite athleticism down the road.  I doubt it though

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Josh Jackson will be a huge bust. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s out of the league in 3-5 years.

[BeastMode716Participant]

 were believed to be "Super Star" caliber w/ another 6 – 10 really strong players who could become Oustanding pro’s

I think Jackson – who looks Fantastic – but still is never going to be a big time scorer has probably moved into that 6-10 outstanding Pro’s group, Giles is what he is – which means we do not know what he is….

And Fultz looks like the only potential "Super Star" now 

It will Still be a Great Draft but I think it will be more like 2015 where there is one can’t miss guy in KAT & a handful of surprises (Booker, Turner, Porzingus, Winslow) & a handful of guys who we thought were potential stars who are Really struggling (Okafor, Johnson, D’Lo Russell, Hezonjia, Mudiay)

 

 

 

 

[iguapops420Participant]

Totally cool with these two as your choice for overrated. Kennard just doesn’t seem skilled enough to me to get away with doing the things with the ball he does at Duke. Giles looked like trash. Not just a guy recovering from injury. The skillet he showed in highschool were 100% MIA

[iguapops420Participant]

Totally cool with these two as your choice for overrated. Kennard just doesn’t seem skilled enough to me to get away with doing the things with the ball he does at Duke. Giles looked like trash. Not just a guy recovering from injury. The skillet he showed in highschool were 100% MIA

[JoeWolf1]

Malik Monk seems to me as the most overrated player in this draft.
He’s incredibly one dimensional, and undersized to boot. Even at the
NCCA level, he only managed to chip in 2.5 rebounds and 2.3 assists per
contest. In the NBA he’ll be a 6’3” two, who is a negative
defender, and who won’t give you much of anything unless he’s trying
to score (which will be harder when everyone matching up against him
at the 2 will be bigger and stronger than him).

He can be sensational scoring the ball at times, and I have little
doubt he’ll be a capable double digit NBA scorer, but what else?
Are you really thinking of spending the 5th or 6th pick on this guy?

You gotta figure Ball, Fultz, and Jackson are locks for the top 3.
In my opinion Tatum is solid at the 4 spot, but I think Fox, and Smith
are much better guard options than Monk, and even though Issac is a
project, I’d still take him.

Thinking about Monk in the 4-7 range just reminds me so much of
Deon Waiters going at #4 in 2012. It’s not like the guy can’t play, but
he’s just so one dimensional, and Monk doesn’t even have the strength
Waiters came into the league possessing.

If you want to pass on Fox, Smith, or skip out on rolling the dice on a potential high
upside guy like Issac in order to spend a top 8 pick on a guy who’ll get you 15 points on 40% shooting and
not play a lick of D or give you any contribution getting anyone else shots
then you either have a really specific team need, or you think wildly different than I do.

[kobyzParticipant]

 He remind much more CJ McCollum than waiters with his prolific scoring potential… Waiters is different Player, different thing, the problem is with his head, so inconsistent and not focus a lot but for the little time he’s on top of his game he look like another Brandon Roy…

[OhCanada-Participant]

I had similar concerns about Monk but very quickly dismissed them. Guys like Dion Waiters, Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon and Lou Williams to name a few were not supposed to just be scorers these guys were all developed to be playmakers as well but did not quite have longterm success and settled into scorer roles. There are plenty of examples of successful progress in development like Demar Derozan, Isaiah Thomas, or Jimmy Butler. Theres also players that stuck to their strengths ad scorers and are very productive secondary ballhandlers like Klay Thompson and Bradley Beal. For a young player there had to be a level of optimism or youll never get a guy like Devin Booker to maximize his potential. 

As far as Malik Monk stacks up with these guys from a freshman to rookie standpoint he defenitely deserves a chance to be at the very least optimistic about. I think you put him in the best development system in the league (probally San Antonio) he would become at least 18-ppg 5-apg SG depending if they need more points ir more assists from him and if you think they could do it you gotta be confident your staff could as well, or your really in the wrong buisness. 

Thomas was too short, Booker too unathletic, Derozan couldnt shoot or dribble. When thedes a will theres a way and one thing I know about Monk is he is a gym rat and wont stop working on his game. 

 

[JoeWolf1]

Yeah, that’s fine if you have confidence in Malik Monk as a person. That’s a part of the process, but as someone who hasn’t met him nor spent time around him, I can take what I see on the court. He’s going to have a hard time defending just about everyone, and in games where is shot isn’t falling (at the NBA level) he’s not going to be doing a ton else to help your team win. He just screams to me as a one dimensional scorer, and those guys I don’t think warrant a top 6 pick.

Shane Larkin was too short, Morrison too unathletic, Joe Alexander couldn’t shoot or dribble. When there’s a will, sometimes guys still don’t cut it. Ben McLemore was a gym rat. Having a hunch is fine, it’s your opinion, but I’m pretty far from swayed.

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

I think Malik Monk is more like O.J Mayo than other comparisons. Similar size and similar scoring instincts.

[BeastMode716Participant]

 For example, if the Knicks took Monk it could be a Very bad "Fit" b/c Monk or can’t seem to create his own shot off the dribble (And I Don’t say that as a Bad thing, b/c he Does possess extraordinary athleticism, unlike some others, it just is what it is). Monk would need to go somewhere where there is an Establsihed PG & some type of low post presence or #1 option scorer

But if you put Monk in Phila or Minnesota or New Orleans where you have an established Monster at Center an excellent 2nd option running the pick & roll

They can utilize Monk’s incredible scoring talent to light it up w/ All that open space from the outside from 3 OR attacking the rim or in Transition.

His lack of defense is nullified to some degree b/c you have each of those squads has Great Defensive Center. Monk does not need Dominate the ball dribbling, he runs of screens the whole shoot clock, he is a quick decision maker & he is a Remarkabley explosive athlete. I Def agree with the Jamal Crawford comparison.

As far as Over Rated I really think Lonzo Ball is going to struggle is a bad team believes he can be their day One point guard. Ball has exceptional court vision & passing abilitybut he is weak off dribble, can Not penetrate, can not get his own shot, he can’t play much defense & Worst of all is that Ball seems to have Zero understanding how to run a Pick & Roll set OR defend a P&R. Whoever Drafts Ball will need a Lot of patience 

 

 

 

 

 

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