Morris twins looking pretty sleek
Markieff with 22 and Marcus with 18, the tied game steal away from Shabazz (10 sec left) and the game winning shot as time expired in Solomon Jones an a very soft/slow close out from Bazz's face, in the latest SL game against Minny. Both actually look like legit 3's not tweeners. They still probably lack the quickness and foot speed, but they have transformed their bodies. Both seem to have lost at least 10 to 15 pounds from early last year and are in great shape.
Guys taking the bodies as serious as their jumpers always makes me more of a fan them. Hopefully the future will be bright for them.
How a NBA roster could have Caron Butler, Micheal Beasley, the Morris twins, Channing Frye, Scola and Alex Oriakhi on it is still amazing to me. All they need is to make a deal with Minny for Derrick Williams and sign Kenny Kadji as a undrafted free agent and they can set the all time tweener/undersized four record for any level of organized basketball.
Scola has never been a tweener. He's a 4 (offensively good, defensively helpless), he even plays the 5 in international competitions.
He fits the undersized four part of the category, the point was that guys all those guys can't guard even one position successfully. Scola can't guard any position, neither can Butler, Beasley or the Morris Twins unless they are checking another lite weight stretch 4.
Notice the "/undersized 4" part. A 6'8 power forward who can't jump and isn't particularly long is a undersized 4.
I also don't know how Channing Frye is a tweener or undersized. He's a short 6'11.
Kieff is a stretch 4, with a solid post game and the strength and meanness to play short stretches at the 5. Marcus is pretty much a skilled 4 who can put the ball on the deck, and has the potential to be a great glue player ( jack of all trades master of none ).While both guys are very skilled, neither is a 3 at the NBA level. They're able to do whatever they want at the SL level because they're probably the best post guys ( or close )in the tournament.
They're capable role players at an NBA level, but haven't quite made the jump to starter level. I think they'll get there, as both players have continued to improve as pro's. maybe this will be the year they get over the hump.
I don't think either is a three and I agree Markeiff is tough enough to guard some four's.
I was saying their new body type is lean and with limited body fat and if you didn't know anything about them you would say that guy looks like a in shape wing player. The point was that their bodies look like 3's, which may or may not hurt them as natural stretch 4's. Stretch 4's that are 6'8, by definition are tweener's, IMO. I don't think they look like Mo Harkless, as a prototypical prospect wing player but they look like 3's, not there game but their improved physical condition, my fault for not making that point better.
I follow you, they do look in great shape. I've followed them since they were freshmen and their commitment to fitness has transformed their athletic ability. That same reason paired with how they play is why I don't worry about them playing the 4. Unlike many guys in their early 20's , They look like grown men and have the strength and tenacity to back it up. A 6'8" and 6'9" stretch 4 may not be prototypical for a stretch 4, but if he's willing and able to mix it up then I think that breaks the mold of many face up bigs who just want to shoot and avoid contact. A guy who will shoot a 3 and then try to kick your ass at the other end of the court is why I feel they'll succeed despite non ideal measurements for their position.
I've always seen a lot of Kurt Thomas in Markieff and Marcus as more of a do it all glue guy.
It doesn't get more awesome than that.
How is Butler a tweener? He's a clear cut small forward. But that game was extremely entertaining yesterday.
Because Butler is really a stretch 4 at this point. Besides its my belief you are what u can guard and he can't guard 3's or 4's. He is better physically suited at this point to guard fours. There may not be a starting 3 in the whole NBA Butler would be a + defender against.
Honestly though, I think the Morris twins are too old and too good for the summer league. Their performance doesn't really change my opinion of them.
I think Markieff is a stretch 4 while Marcus Morris can be an Al Harrington type of player. A guy that can play either forward position and play it pretty well.
Neither is a true small forward though.
I wouldn't call Markieff undersized either, he's a legit 6'9. I believe the average height of starting power forwards is just above 6'9 right now, especially with the league going small.