Monta Ellis is underrated
“Okay, this has to do with what? Supporting casts? You think Acie Law, Rodney Carney, Radmonovic, Amundson and Jeremy Lin are good supporting players? Or even Gadzuric? And yes Noah and Boozer murder Lee and Biedrins. Biedrins literally sucks at everything other than rebounding. Boozer is a better scorer and defender than Lee is.”
If you want to compare that list of back of the roster guys to C.J. Watson, James Johnson, Brian Scalabrine, Omer Asik, and John Lucas, feel free. I see no difference. Also, Boozer and Noah haven’t been on the floor together because of injuries. You can’t be praising the supporting cast Rose has for their performance when it has only existed on paper.
“Any player putting up the averages and rates Wright is getting is a MIP candidate”
No he isn’t. Going from a team that has a goal of winning to one that somehow finds it acceptable to score points and not playing defense is not improvement. How is he a different player? Shannon Brown is an improved player because he has worked on his jump shot. Roy Hibbert and DeJuan Blair are improved because they lost weight are in much better shape. Derrick Rose now has a jump shot out to the arc. That is actual improvement that has benefited their teams, you want to reward the reallocation of empty numbers on a bad team.
“We never inflated Jackson, Richardson, Pietrus , Barnes (who was nothing before coming here and played just as well elsewhere), Tolliver has produced well when healthy in Minny, Baron's assist ratio is still good (he got fat though and was good before he got here), already talked about Crawford, Harrington got better when he left, don't forget Mike Dunleavy was here when Nellie was for a bit and was better in Indy (a lot better)”
You might want to consider how the team that had Jackson, Richardson, Pietrus, Barnes, Harrington, and Davis was actually good. They won a round in the playoffs and the next year had 48 wins. The team they have now is bad, and the numbers are inflated because the statistics are having no bearing on the win column. They don’t get any stops and when good teams decide to clamp down (as their little trip to Florida showed after early leads in both games) they aren’t even good enough to be a strong offensive team in those instances. When teams go along with just running up and down trading buckets, they seem fine. The problem is that good team can turn it on, and the Warriors cannot.
I'd take Watson, Brewer, Thomas, Gibson and Korver over Law, Vlad, Louis and Gaz
If we can't talk about Rose's cast cause its only on paper than we cant talk about the W's either since there whole team for the last 2 and half years have only been on paper.
He's a different player cause he's improved his outside shooting (like Brown), defense, rebounding passing and ability to create for himself. I know that team was good, now? Injury plagued dead average . Were young and choke with big leads and we cant score in the end cause of 2 reasons. The offense we run has no identity , not realy a fastbreak team and not really a half court team. It varies game to game. We cant turn it on but neither can Houston, Memphis and Phoenix and I dont think youd describe them as as bad as us yet were about a game or 2 behind them
Lineup is that our backups are also our end of the bench guys outside of Udoh and Reggie. We have to play those scrubs, the Bulls don't
Here is the thing, you want to give credit for the Bulls being 23-10 to Rose's strong supporting cast that has only existed on paper due to injuries, but want to chalk up the blame for why the Warriors are 13-21 on injuries. That is the problem. Derrick Rose is spinning gold out of straw and it is clear that Monta Ellis cannot do that despite his offensive statistics, but you don't seem to realize you want to play both ends. You'd prefer to pick-and-choose who you want to compare to serve your illogical belief. You don't seem to grasp that just because the Bulls are starting Keith Bogans, it doesn't mean that he is somehow significantly better than a bench player. He is not. He is starting because Ronnie Brewer can't hit a jump shot and Kyle Korver can't guard a starting wing. If the Bulls had Charlie Bell instead of Bogans, he'd be starting for the exact same reason. You are splitting hairs comparing Law and Watson. There is a reason Acie Law has bounced around, and there is a reason C.J. Watson was on the scrap heap before landing in Golden State and tricking the Bulls into thinking he was worth paying. The Bulls would have been better served to save the money and just kept Law. Radmanovic would actually fare better in Chicago than Gibson because he has a much better mid-range shot. All Rose does is get Gibson open 15-footers (because no team with any clue defensively steps out on Noah or Gibson) and if he can't hit them at a decent clip. Omer Asik is a young Dan Gadzuric, just a big body. While Reggie Williams is a more versatile scorer than Korver I think Williams would struggle to gain the trust of Thibodeau because he can't guard a starting wing either.
As someone who actually watches all Bull games, let me tell you this:
CJ Watson is horrible. He is a point guard, but he has no point guard abilities other than being short. He wants to shoot and thats all he can do is score. He is someone who will probably get traded to Minnesota and average 17 agame and everyone will rave how hes going to lead them to multiple titles.
The Reason he averages 13 MPG, is because he Derrick Rose's backup, and everytime Thibadeau wants to give Watson minutes, which he does try to EVERY SINGLE GAME, he does so aweful they have to bring Rose back in.
And the comparisons are way off.
Sure, the Noah/Boozer spot (they havent played together essentially, so Im counting them as 1 guy) on the roster is better than the David Lee spot.
Luol Deng is not a better player than Steph Curry.
And as bad as the Wright, Williams, Amundson, Acie Law, Rodney Carney, Radmonovic, and Jeremy Lin combo may be, Where is the stability in Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, Kurt Thomas, Omer Asik and Watson? At best it is a wash, and then its back to the Rose's team is 22-10 and Ellis's 13-20. Ellis is entertaining, but Rose is one of the top 5 players in the league, Ellis isnt close.
top 5 sg, not top 5 total
And yes CJ is not a passer, hes a scorer and has been from day 1. And I never said Deng is better than Curry, just that the Bulls rotation (including Deng) is much better than ours (including Curry)
Korver>Law and Carney by a lot
Thomas > Amundson by a lot
Brewer> Lin by a massive amount
Its not a wash, you dont get how bad outside of Reggie and Udoh our bench is. It might be the worst in the NBA.
5 players better than Rose:
Kobe, LBJ, Durant, CP3, Wade
More: Dwight, maybe Rondo (MAYBE), Dirk
Rose is better than Monta, I said that earlier and thats a big reason why the Bulls are better. Never denied that but the Bulls havent had our level of injuries and even with them they have a better bench to fill in. Bogans is not a starter in the NBA, I know that but IS better than some of the guys we got.
Bell is dreadful dont even play like that, and know Gibson is on a different planet to Vlad. Vlad CANT hit a mid range shot, only 3's. Vlad is truly one of the worst players in the NBA. Reggie and Korver would basically have the same role and Asik is better than Gadzuric. Know why? He's not a dumb arse