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Not bad just a couple

Not bad just a couple things.

NY taking two bigs? The Knicks want a big and a wing so one of those pick must be changed.

Samardo Samuels? I don't know. Plus you said he could be top 15 in another draft? WOW

Belija is also too low- He could still go in the 20's.

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No way Patterson is a W, the

No way Patterson is a W, the mock in the front page is good except for that

Hayward at 25? I understand he seems like he should but he wont

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@ nateoak10 The Warriors

@ nateoak10

The Warriors need a well rounded, bruising big man. I dont see why the Warriors dont take Patterson. I prefer him over most of the other PF's and bigs in this draft. I wouldn't say its a certainty or anything. We still have a month to go before the draft... but its sensible and possible in my opinion.

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Do you mean Cousins is almost

Do you mean Cousins is almost Shaq like in size or skill? Because other than size maybe... He has zero in common with Shaq... Especially when Shaq was coming out of LSU.

And damn... That's high for Patterson.

When you look at what Hayward accomplished during his career at Butler, especially this season... And his performances at the combine... I doubt he's on the board at 25. Not only did he test as a decent athlete, scouts have seen him use it in games... And overcome any of his limitations with his anticipation, motor and IQ.

Why do you have the Grizzlies drafting two combo guards in the first round?

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Just one thing, how is

Just one thing, how is latavious williams, a 6'8 205 LB. PF
Oversized??

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I meant Undersized but the

I meant Undersized but the site kept messing up and I think the second time i retype it i put oversized.

Butler Cousins has a body like Shaq. Cousins is actually more skilled in the post than Shaq at the same age. Shaq was more athletic though and taller. I have Memphis taking a point guard and a combo guard. I should have had them taking a small forward but i have moved my draft around and that pick was not terrible. They do need a bk up point guard and Bradley is a decent animal. I see them moving Conley. People knock on him but he is not that bad of a Point guard and New York would love to have him.

New York will probably take a wing player by buying into the first round or trading thier second round pick. They need help in the front court though. If they are trying to get Lebron, Wade or Joe Johnson, shooting guard is not an issue. I think they could maybe trade with memphis and take Johnson and give Memphis Gallon but after what Randolph is doing they may not happen. Most of the bigs in the second rd has question marks.

I have no idea where Hayward will go and since I dont believe he should go over the people i had listed I put him a spot that satisfies his 1st round selection but keeps him away from a spot he should be in. I put Luke Babbit ahead of him because I said this before the combine results came up that I though Babbit was better. Some team will probably take him early but I dont know who. There is no team I see that should take him that early. Small forward is not a big need. Indiana wants him and the dont even need that position. Babbitt can at least play some pf.

Knicksboy look i have Knicks getting 3 player in this draft a 2 guard and two big men. I dont know how this will totally work out but that is what i have going on. I have a friend who is a die hard Knicks fan. we have already discussed my picks and he understands. There is still more work I need to put with the comments but I dont need to change anything. I have watched the Knicks play and no one at the two that is not lottery bound would help the Knicks. The have had issues with size a lot. you can never have enough big men. Knicks may actually take Caractor though. These are moves i have heard and moves i would make. If you gave me two years I could make move to make New York a top 5 team in the East.

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No to Patterson

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Yes, the Warriors need a well-rounded, bruising big man who can bring it on defense, rebound, and has potential. Patterson is none of those things.

1) He is old. He was a junior this year, and so he's already 21. In terms of potential, how much more is he going to grow?
2) Well-rounded bruising big man? Patrick Patterson? Patterson's not a bruiser and played mostly on the perimeter this year. His rebounding total dropped from 9.3 to 7.4, and while Cousins had a big role in this, 9.3 rebounds per game in college, as the star player, is rather low...compare that to Blake Griffin, at 14.3 rebounds per game...(or even John Bryant, at 14.2 rebounds per game)

If we take Patterson, there is almost no way we take him at the 6th pick...that'd be a huge reach for a player of his caliber and limited potential. We'd have to trade down to get him...but with new management coming in, and the team's situation shrouded in uncertainty, the chances of us making any sort of trades is minimal. This further lessens the chances of Patterson becoming a Warrior--something that I am extremely grateful for.

In my opinion, if you don't have a certain impact player available and you have a top 10 pick, you should swing for the fences...not go with low potential big men who don't even fill a need. Patterson is a 4; so is Randolph, and so is Wright. Who gets less playing time so that Patrick Patterson gets to be a mediocre role player on the court?

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Patterson is better than you

Patterson is better than you think @ burning but I agree that they may not take him so early but I can not figure out the right trade for them to move down and still get him. Also Warriors are known to take the guy they like no matter.

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He's not a bruiser; he's not

He's not a bruiser; he's not a great rebounder; he doesn't have much potential. Is he an awful player? No. Is he a star player? No. He is a role player, and yes, he might be a third or fourth option on a good team, but at the 6th pick? To the Warriors, who already have Randolph, Wright, and Turiaf at the 4? Nope.

Who says that the Warriors like Patterson?

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who do they like then @

who do they like then @ burning since you have the inside on this

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instead of just disagreeing

instead of just disagreeing with show me your mock so i can also see where you are coming from. it is to look at one player and be like he is not going to be picked there.

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GSW is set at pg Curry bk

GSW is set at

pg Curry bk Watson??? FA
sg Ellis bk Morrow?? FA
sf Maggette bk Williams
pf Randolph bk Wright(too small injury prone
C Biedrins bk Turiaf

You dont want to take a back up point guard this early in this draft

There are no home run type shooting guards to take here. Henry and Anderson are nice but you have Ellis and

Maggette is a tough contract to move and he is a decent player. You also have Williams for cheap who put up good numbers and should be solid as a bk sf

power forward and Center are the only need i see that could use an upgrade or quality depth

Aldrich I dont think is a good fit for GSW so power forward may be the need they take care of. Davis is just like Wright and Randolph long and skinny. Orton is a Center but Power forward height.

Patterson has good length and has a good size. he rebounded well before Cousins came. He also played more in the post in his first few seasons also. He is not great there but he is alright and he can shoot the J.

If Patterson is not a good pick than what pick do you seem them taking.

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GSW lineup

This is what I imagine next season's lineup would look like, assuming no injuries and no trades:

PG: Curry, Ellis, Watson (unlikely at this point, as Watson is an UFA and doesn't seem to want to play for the W's)
SG: Ellis, Morrow, Azubuike, Williams
SF: Aminu/Johnson, Maggette, Azubuike, Williams
PF: Randolph, Wright, Turiaf
C: Biedrins, Turiaf, 2nd round pick

Maggette has shown that he thrives as a sixth man off the bench. While Williams can start, he'd be better off as a reserve. Aminu/Johnson would give them a defensive presence that they lack; Aminu or Johnson could shut down the other team's best perimeter player, something Maggette is not known for doing (Maggette would take a Jamal Crawford role)

OR

PG: Curry, Ellis
SG: Ellis, Morrow, Azubuike, Williams
SF: Randolph, Maggette, Azubuike, Williams
PF: Monroe, Wright, Turiaf
C: Biedrins, Monroe, Turiaf

Monroe is a good passing big man; he could compliment Biedrins on offense and defense if GS has a need to put both of them in for size because his skill set is so different. The same goes for Randolph. It's simple; in my opinion, Monroe's biggest problem, besides his lack of interest, is his inability to rebound, and Randolph and Biedrins are exceptional rebounders. Monroe is also big enough to defend big post players; while he may not get a lot of blocks due to his lack of super athleticism, he's bigger than Biedrins and would be harder to push around. Biedrins is quicker and more nimble, and I think it'd be interesting to see if he could defend the PF spot. If Randolph develops into a legitimate 3, this is even better; if not, move Randolph to the 4 and have Monroe spend time backing up both Biedrins and Randolph.

In all likelihood, the top 5 is set, barring trades:

Washington-Wall
Philadelphia-Turner
New Jersey-Favors
Minnesota-Johnson
Sacramento-Cousins

Of the top 5, though, both Johnson and Cousins can fall (age/lack of potential, weight/attitude issues, respectively)

I'm not with Warriors management, but I think they draft the BPA, since their roster isn't so good that any player prevents another player of the same position from being drafted. If Johnson or Cousins falls, then GS should draft them. If not, then I believe it is between Aminu and Monroe, and I wouldn't mind drafting either one of them--they both fit a need, and have significant potential (they're both still 19). I asked for some sort of source for the claim that the Warriors liked Patterson, because I wasn't sure if you knew which players the Warriors brought in specifically to interview/have individual workouts for...

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on my mock Monroe is gone and

on my mock Monroe is gone and I don't see any sense in GSW picking a small forward. Maggette is decent as a starter. Aminu is not ready to over take him. Maybe Wesley Johnson is. Monroe is skilled but I have him going early if not I would have him going to GSW as well. I like Patterson and feel he can handle that role at the 4 spot. This past season because of injuries GSW needed depth in the front court. I can only see GSW taking best available front court player.

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If they need a frontcourt

If they need a frontcourt player, they need a center, not another 4. That's my issue with a Patterson pick...they'd be better off trading down for Whiteside.

If Johnson drops, like in your mock, GS should take him. Every team needs an elite defensive wing player, to stop the Kobes and Carmelos and Lebrons of the best teams...and Johnson could be that guy.

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The Knicks would never draft

The Knicks would never draft Gallon. He cannot run the floor. the Knicks will draft a big/small.

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i also think the GSW will

i also think the GSW will take Petterson, Johnson will sure be gone and Aminu is too alike other players in GS, i think they will take Petterson before Monroe, Monroe doesn't fit, Biedrins is the C and GSW count on him for the future, it's left Monroe very little minutes cause he can't play the 4 especially in GSW system - too slow, Petterson could play with Biedrins and also with Randolph and Wright in a small ball that GSW like. petterson is an high character guy with great work ethic and motor so it will be safe and smart pick.

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@ burningflood ...wow. Your

@ burningflood ...wow.

Your logic is way, way off my man. Basketball is a team sport first and foremost. There are only so many stats to go around.

You said
"Yes, the Warriors need a well-rounded, bruising big man who can bring it on defense, rebound, and has potential. Patterson is none of those things."

Do you even watch basketball?

You said,
"1) He is old. He was a junior this year, and so he's already 21. In terms of potential, how much more is he going to grow?"

I say,
Guys who work on their game get better every dam season. You pick up new moves, refine your shot, learn to recognize new D rotations, improve your foot work, learn from past mistakes etc etc. Personally, I was ten times the player at 31 that I was at 21. Look at Kobe's game at 21 and look at it over the past 3-4 seasons. Look at Lebrons or Wades overall game at 21 and look at them now. This is an absurd statement. They improved everything about their games offsensively and defensively. You don't even need to take a star player as an example. There are so many very good players who continued to evolve and improve their games after 25.

you said,
"2) Well-rounded bruising big man? Patrick Patterson? Patterson's not a bruiser and played mostly on the perimeter this year. His rebounding total dropped from 9.3 to 7.4, and while Cousins had a big role in this, 9.3 rebounds per game in college, as the star player, is rather low...compare that to Blake Griffin, at 14.3 rebounds per game...(or even John Bryant, at 14.2 rebounds per game)"

I say,
When Ray Allen, Garnett and Pierce got together in Boston, all of their stats took a dive. Kentucky had a lot more high caliber players this past season then last. Patterson was probably told to play farther away from the hoop to keep things open for Cousins in the middle on offense. On Defense I don't know of too many college 4's who were comfortable taking Patterson into the post. He forced them outside the key on a large chunck of their possessions. That makes it harder to get as many rebounds on both sides of the floor and there were less to go around anyways. As far as the 9.3 rebound rate last season, their are an absolute ton of reasons why that is what it is and none of them have to do with potential. It depends largely on what the coaching staff has asked you to do and where they want you to be on the floor and when.

You say,
"If we take Patterson, there is almost no way we take him at the 6th pick...that'd be a huge reach for a player of his caliber and limited potential. We'd have to trade down to get him...but with new management coming in, and the team's situation shrouded in uncertainty, the chances of us making any sort of trades is minimal. This further lessens the chances of Patterson becoming a Warrior--something that I am extremely grateful for."

I say,
Grateful for? Patterson is a much better player then Wright is right now. Wright is a bust. A waste of a pick. No trade value. Thats what you get when you draft on "potential". How many guys get drafted on "potential" every year and go no where? Patterson is solid right now. No character issues, wants to be great, team player, excellant build, high IQ, good fundamentals and skill set, nice midrange shot, good footwork etc. Of course he will continue to improve and refine his game just as anyone who cares about trying to be great at something does. Randolph is a good player with great potential, but he is no prototype 4. The warriors played crazy Nellie ball last season, more carzy then normal because they didn't have a Patterson type. Patterson can guard everyone of the 4-5's except the very biggest in the NBA. On offense he is more then capable. He could also be a Landry or Millsap type who doesn't need a play called for him. He's also way bigger and more athletic then those 2 guys were when they came into the league. Patterson is the most NBA ready pick and role PF in this draft. Curry and him could do some real damage together. Cousins, Monroe, Aldrich, Whiteside, Orton?... either not agile enough or doesn't shoot well enough to be effective in a pick and role.

You say,
In my opinion, if you don't have a certain impact player available and you have a top 10 pick, you should swing for the fences...not go with low potential big men who don't even fill a need. Patterson is a 4; so is Randolph, and so is Wright. Who gets less playing time so that Patrick Patterson gets to be a mediocre role player on the court?

I say,
Who says Patterson is going to be mediocre? Who says he won't have an impact? Think the Suns could use a Patterson type against the Lakers right now? I bet he would put up 15 and 10 with 2 blocks in his rookie season in thirty minutes a night. Im sure he has a 10 year career as a starter ahead of him in the NBA on really good teams and he has proven himself to be a team player. He put winning first this past season. He did what he was asked for the good of his team. As a young player that is so hard to do. You think Cousins would have done something like that? I bet Patterson could play Cousins straight up on D right now. He doesn't have the weight Cousins does, but he is stronger and more athletic. How many "potential" guys ever pan out? Maybe 2 out of every 10 that get drafted?... Patterson is going to be better then D. Blair was projected and he doesn't have the weight or knee issues.

you say,
"If they need a frontcourt player, they need a center, not another 4. That's my issue with a Patterson pick...they'd be better off trading down for Whiteside."

I say,
Yeah thats what the warriors need... Another athletic big man who plays D but can't shoot and has no Off to speak of. Thats perfect for Nellie ball

You say,
"If Johnson drops, like in your mock, GS should take him. Every team needs an elite defensive wing player, to stop the Kobes and Carmelos and Lebrons of the best teams...and Johnson could be that guy."

I say,
I like Johnson, but the warriors are stacked with guards and wingman who will still be better then Johnson for the next season or 2. Do the warriors really need another wing who won't see the floor for a few seasons? If the warriors went with Aminu... where is he going to play in the rotation and infront of who? Warriors are going with a PF or Center hands down. If they Warriors suprise the heck out of me and do take a SF or god forbid, another guard... they have to be a great shooter and possess a valid, reliable 3 point shot or they won't get off the bench.

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HotSnot I read your whole

HotSnot I read your whole comment and I have to say you impress me very much. I could have not broken it down any better.

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@sheltwon3 Thanks man. I

@sheltwon3

Thanks man. I appreciate the compliment.

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no problem

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