The "Mistake" Game
So I thought of an interesting hypothetical game that might get some fun debate started on this forum and thought I would see if you guys like it. From your favorite basketball team choose one "mistake" that your team made in the history of their franchise and then say how you would have fixed it. Then explain how making that change would have affected the franchise and made them better. It can be not drafting the correct player, not being able to sign a player in the offseason they were in the running for, signing someone that didn't pan out, or not pulling the trigger (or pulling the trigger) on a big trade but it has to be something that was actually possible in real life (like they were rumors that they might do it or they were in the correct draft position to pick the player you wanted).
For my hypothetical I am choosing my favorite team the Timberwolves and going back to the 2009 draft to fix one mistake. I still love the Rubio pick but instead of picking the mistake of Flynn I would have taken Curry with the 6th pick. This move would have been amazing and would have given the wolves one of the best backcourts in the league for years to come. We wouldn't have had the problem with having a mess of point guards because while Curry is an excellent point guard he can also play off the ball in the 2 spot. His skills would have also meshed extremely well with Rubio's as Rubio excels at creating open shots for his teammates and Curry could have spot up shot all day. In addition this floor spacing would have created more opportunities for K-Love on the inside. We may have been small on defense but I think our offense could have made up for it and we could always have found defensive rotations when we needed them. I think making that pick and creating a team developed around those three players would have finally solved our playoff woes and could have at the very least let us contend with other teams every year.
So what other mistakes would you guys hypothetically fix?
In the very same draft my Knicks passed on a myriad of point guards at the nine spot including: Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holliday, Ty Lawson, and Jeff Teague, to select Jordan Hill who at his best so far in his career is a 3rd big in your rotation. But Hill was an essential cog in paving the way for Amar'e signing with the team as he was involved in the cap clearing McGrady trade that cleaned books which in turn led the Knicks to acquire both Melo and Tyson.
So even though I hated Donnie Walsh at the time for passing on a chance to pick up a pg of the future, it actually worked out ok for the Knicks. And who knows, had they selected one of those four guys instead of Jordan Hill maybe they never end up with the roster they have today.
With the 13th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, the Indiana Pacers select...
Ty Lawson from the University of North Carolina
Jrue Holiday from UCLA
I'd have even rathered them take Jeff Teague, the hometown kid, over Tyler Hansbrough!
Signing tyrus thomas and/or ben gordon. Nice.
DRAFTING DJ augistine over Brooke Lopez smh
That's a good one! I was just focused on the present Jordan era and almost forgot that happened...
If we dont get the number one, are we trading down or getting NOEl
With that frontcourt we have, noel should be option 1 and len option 1a. If we pick up a wing, we can add that decision to this thread imo.
Suns drafting Robin Lopez over Javale Mcgee, Roy Hibbert, Serg Ibaka, I rather of even had JJ Hickson
That does hurt, but I always heard that lopez was a solid role player, but bigmen look worse on teams with bad or below average guards. Is he really THAT bad?
2004 NBA Draft
Luke Jackson over Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, J.R. Smith, Jameer Nelson, Kevin Martin.
Exactly the one that I wanted to say!
Would've been really fun watching Lebron and Josh Smith fast breaks and the crazy mismatches they would've created for teams...that could have been a great nucleus for their team (providing Josh Smith actually learned not to shoot long jump shots)
My goodness. thats awful. Imagine young Bron with any of those dudes.
Trading Marcus Camby after his second year when he averaged 12 ppg 7 rpg and 3.7 bpg. They already had Marcus Camby and Tmac, that offseason they got Vince Carter. So we could have had all three play together, maybe give them a couple years. Marcus Camby was relatively cheap, then sign VC and TMac for BIG money
Damn it this topic makes me mad lol
The Blazers were widely known to be looking for a backup for Aldridge in the 2011 Draft and everyone thought it was obvious that they would take Kenneth Faried when he was available at their turn to pick.
And with the 21st pick in the NBA draft, the Portland Trail Blazers select Nolan Smith!
It's been pretty long since that draft and the Blazers are still lacking depth behind Aldridge and, sadly, Nolan's a full out bust, making the pick look even worse.
I think that if they had taken Faried that year, they would've had a much better shot at making the playoffs this year,
I'm suprised as a Blazers fan you didn't go with the 2007 Draft and Oden over Durant but I do agree Nolan Smith is a bust
*Drops mic and leaves room*
The Pistons selecting Darko over Melo and Wade lmaooooooooooooooooooooooo
Everybody here in Detroit was like WTF????!!!!
well this is obvious but darko milicic lol and then in 08 joe alexander picked 8th ahead of brook lopez, hibbert SMH
Take your pick:
Giving Juwon Howard $100+ mil...in1996!
Trading C-webb for Mitch Richmond
Taking Kwame Brown over Tyson chandler
5th pick in 2009 (Rubio) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
So you have Bosh and want to surround him with good young players for the future. You have 2 first round picks. You need a center and a small forward. With the first pick you choose Charlie V, who plays the same position as Bosh. I would have taken Bynum instead who would have been a defensive force beside Bosh. With the next pick they take Joey Graham instead of Danny Granger because Granger was too much of a tweener and would have to play some power forward. I'd take Granger instead as he was a better prospect. Starting lineup for the next year would be: Mike James, MoPete, Granger, Bosh, and Bynum. The future we easily could of had.
While the trade worked out by bringing 2 rings to the lakers, in hindsite, it would have been nice if the lakers tried harder to hold onto Marc gasol when making the kwane/ pau trade. At that point Marc was still a prospect who had just been drafted in rhe second round and no one knew how valuable he would become. If the lakers had thrown something else out there instead , they could have gotten to keep both gasol brothers.
Atlanta drafting Marvin Williams at #2 instead of Chris Paul.
Yeah that was terrible. Atlanta's major weakness was they were lacking a point guard and a year with three good point guard options in Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Raymond Felton the Hawks take Marvin Williams. I thought that was dumb well before Marvin Williams underwhelmed in an NBA game.
Aside from the 2009 Grizzlies trio of Hasheem Thabeet, DeMarre Carroll, and Sam Young, I screwed up in 2010 too.
In 2009, obviously James Harden would have been great, or Steph Curry, or Ricky Rubio. But, we couldn't have resigned those guys and kept Z Bo, Gasol, and Conley.
In 2010 we had a decent pick and went with Xavier Henry who gave us nothing. And Larry Sanders went a few spots later. Sanders would have been the PERFECT backup shot blocker this year for us. The only thing we are really lacking now is shot blocking and depth at the center spot. Larry Sanders would have been PERFECT.
Just think of a big defensive unit with Conley, Tony Allen, Tayshaun Prince, Larry Sanders, and Marc Gasol. WOW!
So although Harden or Steph Curry would have been super nice with this current team (talk about LOADED), they would be costing us too much money. But, that Larry Sanders snub hurts bad too.
Can't think of much, so I'll go with the draft. Our biggest mistake of recent drafts...
With the 20th pick, the Spurs select James Anderson from Oklahoma State.
He wasn't that great, I know he didn't get much of a chance, but the names we missed out on.
Jordan Crawford, Jeremy Evans, Lance Stephenson, Quincy Pondexter, Landry Fields...Greivis Vazquez!
Signing RJ in 2009 in hopes he could fill Bruce Bowen's void and then some.
You know you have it good as a fan when the stupidest front office move you can come up with for your team is a botched mid level deal for a rotation player that had almost no long term effect. I wish I had been born in San Antonio.
The Phoenix Suns trading draft picks like Luol Deng, Rajon Rondo, and Rudy Fernandez for cash and scraps.
The Toronto Raptors drafting Rafael Arajuo over Andre Igoudala, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith...
The Chicago Bulls trading Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler. Then the Bulls giving Chandler away for a vet past his prime in PJ Brown.
The Hawks drafting Sheldon Williams over Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay
The Bulls trading LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas
The 76ers trading Andre Igoudala, Nikola Vucevic, and Maurice Harmless for Andrew "Mr. Glass" Bynum.
Just the few that come to mind right now.
Raptors: would have traded vince for a happy meal from mc'ds which definitely would be better than what they ended up getting
Raptors: taking the totally awesome joey graham just before danny granger was taken
Raptors: ignoring the fact that both bosh and tj ford would have immediate chemistry with aldridge and deciding to draft primo pasta instead
fixing any one of those would be nice.
for the real raptors fans, bringing back chuck swirsky would be nice too. ONIONS BABY ONIONS!
OKC rejeting the Tyson Chandler trade because of his toe during the physical. OKC would have given up expirings to get him and might have a championship already if that trade had gone through.
Raptors: Drafting Andrea Bargnani over Rudy Gay in the 2006 draft even though their best player (Bosh) played the same position.
Raptors: Having Vince Carter and Chris Bosh on the Roster, could have made the team dynamite drafting Iguodala, but instead they opt to draft Rafael Araujao.
Raptors: Trading their 2007 draft pick and TJ Ford for Jermaine O'neal, who ended playing only 41 games for the Raptors, and the picked turned out to be Roy Hibbert.
Raptors: Trading Vince Carter, who at the time was still a superstar, and we later found out didn't want to leave, for nothing.
Sigh. Seems like a broken record, no?
After the 1996 season, the Seattle Supersonics signed Jim McIlvaine for $35 million (a &$#%#&@! boatload of money for the time). It pissed off Shawn Kemp that he was making less money than that waste of space, and he forced a trade after the 1996-1997 season. We ended up with Vin and Tonic baker, George Karl left a year later in disgust, and the rest is history. Later, In homage to the Jim McIlvaine signing, the Sonics wasted consecutive lottery picks on Johan Petro, Saer Sene and Robert Swift. Before there was David Kahn, Billy King, and all of they other atrocious GM's you kids are used to clowning on, there was Wally fawking Walker. I'm gonna go drink a bottle of scotch and play Russian roulette now, and hope Z-Bo mistakes Clay Bennett for a pulled pork sandwich in the conference semis.
I am still angered by the fact that we traded away LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas...smh..
Can you imagine an Aldridge-Noah combo? We wouldn't even need Boozer... But if Aldridge did keep his Bulls uniform, what are the chances of uslanding Rose with the number 1 pick in 2008? hmmmmm
If Chi town had Noah and Aldrigde in the front court, would you really need Rose
then again, you'd have to assume the lottery is by "chance" and not by "stance" ;)
i was about to say the same thing, the bulls jumped so much in the lotto to land rose.. a hometown kid. they were picking 9th before the lotto and landed the first pick with a 1.7% chance... i could go on and on about this..
there's just too many coincidences to believe that the lottery isn't fixed.
Lakers most of their mistakes on draft picks. Not resigning Shannon Brown and then paying Blake 4 million for 4 years or so. Lakers could have traded Gasol at one point for Ryan Anderson or Josh Smith. Now they can't. One can only imagine.
the pistons signing charlie villanueva in any capacity..
the solution, just dont do it..
Pacers waste a second-round pick on volatile headcase Lance Stephenson.
I mean, he was an entitled kid, came in with a bunch of baggage and now he's not even a fac-
Spurs stupidly trade George Hill for 15th pick Kawhi Leonard.
I mean, who is this guy? Some no name from SDSU?
And he can't even shoot thre-
The Raptors not picking Iguodala.
The Raptors not picking LaMarcus Aldridge.
The Raptors drafting at all really.