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It seems from what i have read people are arguing that the T-Wolves should either trade the 2nd pick or have to move love to the Center position. Why not grab Williams, he could possibly sub in for beasley and Love i think there would be enough minutes to make sure he is developed corectly. Unless Williams has a break out season like Griffin, or plays better then love, he would be a beast for the 2nd unit with our causing too much drama. If Williams makes Love expendalbe you could trade Love or Williams for an All-Star type caliber player for another position of need. I know there are flaws with this, if Williams is a bust then you have a gluton of PF's. All though Anthony Randolph is behind Love and i still think he can be good and i am still pissed they let him go as a Warriors fan, he hasnt done anything yet. I dont think this is as Risky as people think, Williams is considered one of the sure things in the draft and i happen to agree with that. The Wolves are still far away from a palyoff team, i think they should grab as many tradeble assets as possible, so when the time comes they can trade for another player at what ever position they think is the weakest. Thoughts?


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this confuses me

the idea of williams subbing for beasley is rediculous, if they draft williams then the should trade beasley because they wont waste the 2nd pick on a bench player, also why would they trade love, that makes no sense at all, and the idea of having anthony randolph replace kevin love is rediculous

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Drafting Derrick Williams is

Drafting Derrick Williams is the best and safest route to go. The question mark about Derrick Williams is what position he will play. He can back up both Love at the 4 and Beasley at the 3, getting plenty of minutes. Ultimately, I think it is possible that Williams can play the 3, even though that goes against what most people are saying. Drafting Williams will create competition with Beasley, and may make Beasley a better player in the end. Personally, I'd like to see what Beasley can do as a scoring threat off the bench, but I would make Derrick Williams earn his starting position. Why is the idea of Williams subbing for Beasley ridiculous? Having all of these guys, I don't think really creates a problem, the issue will be what kind of chemistry they have. If it comes down to trading Williams or Beasley, I think their trade value will be high either way.

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Tradining the #2 pick is

Tradining the #2 pick is smart because it has peak value now. If you take Williams #2 and play him off the bench and he doesn't have outstanding numbers (which he wont cause he'll be coming off the bench), his value decreases immediately, like driving a new car out of the lot. And same goes for Beasley, if you want to trade him (which i disagree with) now is the best time to do that. You can't have both + Love on your roster, it's just stupid when you could be improving another part of your roster.

Plus I don't draft a #2 pick to come off the bench.

Trading the pick, or Kyrie, or DWilliams for an established player is the Wolves best option, if they're not sold on Kanter.

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Or you could draft Enes Kanter who would fill your C need and will be a solid player in the NBA....

Knowing David Kahn, he might select Brandon Knight lol, all jokes aside, I really think Kanter should be the pick IF the T-Wolves decide NOT to choose Derrick Williams.

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I didnt say they should trade

I didnt say they should trade Love. I meant that if Williams performs so well that it makes kevin love expendable, IF Williams perform that well, then you could trade Williams and get a better trade market then you will for the 2nd pick right now, or trade love because you feel Willliams can replace him and get huge trade value in return. As far as not picking a 2nd player for the bench i totally agree, i beleive more in how many minutes a player gets and whether he is in at the end of the game, i have never really thought starting necessarily had to mean the best players are in, i always look for whos playing at the end of the game. Plus i have always been on the side of bringing players along slowly, i dont think Willams will be able to be dropped right in and dominte. I like the idea of bringin him off the bench and not putting that much pressure on him to begin with (unless you have the lebrons, wades and roses). As far as him subbing in for Beasley, i think Williams has the potential to play the three, last time i read he actually said he was a three. Rubio, Johnson, beasley love and darko, they you have Williams coming in as the 6th man. I really like that idea. Hopefully Williams establishes him self as a guy who could start with huge potential, then you trade him Mid-Season and get a stud for a position you do need. Plus i think coming off the bench he could still get 25-30 minutes of PT, i am assuming he could sub in for the three and four though. If he does end up sticking to just one of those positions then you are right my point is totally crap.

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I didnt say they should trade

I didnt say they should trade Love. I meant that if Williams performs so well that it makes kevin love expendable, IF Williams perform that well, then you could trade Williams and get a better trade market then you will for the 2nd pick right now, or trade love because you feel Willliams can replace him and get huge trade value in return. As far as not picking a 2nd player for the bench i totally agree, i beleive more in how many minutes a player gets and whether he is in at the end of the game, i have never really thought starting necessarily had to mean the best players are in, i always look for whos playing at the end of the game. Plus i have always been on the side of bringing players along slowly, i dont think Willams will be able to be dropped right in and dominte. I like the idea of bringin him off the bench and not putting that much pressure on him to begin with (unless you have the lebrons, wades and roses). As far as him subbing in for Beasley, i think Williams has the potential to play the three, last time i read he actually said he was a three. Rubio, Johnson, beasley love and darko, they you have Williams coming in as the 6th man. I really like that idea. Hopefully Williams establishes him self as a guy who could start with huge potential, then you trade him Mid-Season and get a stud for a position you do need. Plus i think coming off the bench he could still get 25-30 minutes of PT, i am assuming he could sub in for the three and four though. If he does end up sticking to just one of those positions then you are right my point is totally crap.

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david kahn = suck

t-wolves need to fire david kahn. he's pathetic. i'm not sure how many -1 points i've received on this website complaining about this guy since 2009. how can you justify picking 3 pgs and an undersized sg in 1 draft? and the best of that whole group is ty lawson, who was traded. or then adding ramon sessions, trading him and a draft pick for delonte west, releasing him and signing luke ridnour. sessions is the youngest and most talented of the bunch. or how about drafting wesley johnson over demarcus cousins? i mean i understand cousins was a head case and kahn loves darko (another wtf?), but if you are going to take on michael beasley, then obviously character is not what you are looking for. even more baffling is trading luke babbitt for martell webster. what has martell webster done in his career to warrant giving away a 1st round pick? then how do you make up for it? trade for lazar hayward, an undersized small forward that played power forward for a tiny marquette team who most scouts didn't have anywhere close to the first round.

so for 2011, i'm sure kahn is going to draft williams or irving. the team can be logjammed with tweener forwards (randolph, beasley, williams) that can't defend sf's on the perimeter or pf's in the post or have 4 pg's. what is kahn expecting to get for beasley? the guy sunk his trade value because he is a mental case. no team wants that in the locker. meanwhile, poor kevin love tries his heart out night in and night out and is just waiting for his rookie contract to expire to play for anyone else.

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Martell Webster

I can't even believe you mention this trade, because you know, Luke Babbitt is such a great player, at least for Martell, you know he's an NBA player, bench or not, can the same be said for Babbitt, how much PT did he get last year? You can't question a trade where an NBA player is traded for a non-NBA player. There's no guarantee Luke Babbitt will even make it in the League.

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Are we all forgetting that

Are we all forgetting that Kahn got Beasley FOR FREE? I mean, seriously, the guy is found money. Almost anything he could be moved for is better than what was given up for him.

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Only mistakes Kahn has

Only mistakes Kahn has made:

Not listening to McFail's scouting staff at the 2009 Draft when they suggested he take Stephen Curry and/or Ty Lawson, but to be honest, would you trust a scouting staff that in the previous seasons drafted Corey Brewer over Joakim Noah, Randy Foye over Brandon Roy/Rudy Gay, and Rashad McCants over Danny Granger? Probably not. Also, Sacramento Kings insiders to this day have stated they would've taken Flynn if Tyreke wasn't available, it wasn't like Flynn was a huge reach, he was projected by almost everyone to be picked in the Top Ten, his problem was that Kahn hired an inept coach, which leads me to his second mistake.

Hiring Kurt Rambis, but at the time he was the hot head coaching name on the market, the top assisstant to arguably the greatest NBA Coach ever, guaranteed success, right? We can &$#%#&@! and whine about how Kahn misused late 1st Round Picks (Lazar, Wayne Ellington), but besides Lazar, who I believe was an accomodation to Rambis, as were Wes Johnson and Darko Milicic, Ellington had a first round grade by almost every draft site, even mid first round pick by some, as with Flynn, it's not like they were reaching for him.

Drafting Wes Johnson over DeMarcus Cousins, again, I believe this to be another accomodation to Rambis. He didn't want to deal with the possible headaches Cousins would've brought and if you were unfortunate enough to watch some of the Wolves worst moments last season you would've seen a completely disinterested Coach in Kurt Rambis, he really didn't give a &$#%#&@! out there, how much worse would that have been with Cousins? Read what Antoine Wright said, what was it, "really, really, bad attitude"? Yeah, they may have lost more with Cousins last year, but maybe Rambis would've quit too, double edged sword.

In regards to Beasley, and his attitude problems, they never appeared while with the Wolves, even admist the losing. If anything can be said about Beas, it's that he lacks focus, and that may be due more to weed smoking or the fact that he probably has ADHD. Never was his attitude in question this season. Never once did a teammate call him out, about the only thing that was said about any of their young guys it was what Anthony Tolliver and Martell Webster said about how all the young guys want to be these top scorers and haven't realized they need to play a team game.

I know this is going to be said as a mistake, the Darko signing, but was it really that bad? Now whether he should've been their starter? Yeah, that's bad, he's not that guy, but as I said above, he was an accomodation to Rambis, the guy, simply put, had a hard on for Darko's potential and it's not like Kahn wasn't going to hype him up to the media, ala the infamous Chris Webber incident, especially knowing Rambis was going to make him their starting C, but if anything can be said about Kahn it's that he realizes his mistakes quickly and isn't afraid to remedy them, unlike McFail, who feverishely held on to the notion that Randy Foye and Rashad McCants were NBA players. Unfortunately for Darko, like most the players on the Wolves last year, he had never been put in a role like he was in, with Beasley it was about being the #1 scoring option on an NBA team, for Love it was being a leader, and for Darko it was just about getting consistent burn, a starter, getting touches. There were stretches in the early part of the season where he looked good, at least good enough to make $4M, &$#%#&@!, Luke Walton makes like $5M, DeSagna Diop like $7M, Charlie Bell like $4M, who? He makes backup C money and that's what he is, no shame in that. To give Rambis credit, I think he was put in a position where he had to play certain players that should have been pulled because reaslistically they were the only viable options available, cough cough, Beasley and Darko. They need more talent.

I'm sure I'm going to hear about how trading Sessions was a mistake too, for one, the guy still can't shoot, second he can't defend, maybe worse than Jonny Flynn, and the Wolves also got rid of a possible $3M player option this next season in Ryan Hollins, have fun with that one Cavs fans you know damn well he's picking that up. Do you really see the Cavs getting value back when they trade Sessions this offseason, there's a reason he keeps bouncing from team to team, he's not a complete enough player to be a starter in the NBA. But it was a mistake trading him while taking absolutely no salary back?

How about trading Al Jefferson and his absurd contract while collecting 2 first round picks and taking no additional salary back? That's bad, right? Because Al Jefferson does something other than low post scoring? He's never been motivated to play a shred of D or pass the ball out of the post, and he's never been motivated to keep himself in shape. The only D he plays is when there's a possible highlight weak side shot block in front of his face. What's funny, is that I read a rumor within the last week stating the Jazz are already looking to trade Big Al, didn't take long.

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What's worse, having the

What's worse, having the second pick come off the bench in the pros or drafting a player second overall who came off the bench in college (Marvin Williams)?

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Kahn hasn't done a terrible

Kahn hasn't done a terrible job. His first draft was strange, but unconventional thinking isn't the end of the world. He's been quite good since then and stockpiled an absolute ton of talent.

Not only did he get Beasley for free, he also stole Anthony Randolph. The guy is great at finding STAR talent (they won't be stars, but they have talent to be, and when those are your role players and they accept their roles, watch out) for free.

Love is a legit star, Beasley is a legit #2 scoring option, Wesley can be a monster wing defender if he commits, as can Rubio who's a ridiculously gifted passer. Webster is a player off the bench, and Flynn could one day contend for Sixth man of the year. Darko is a good backup Center. They have a ton of cap space and a huge hole in the middle and on the sidelines. With a good, not great, good defensive Center and a better Coach (I abhor Rambis - why would you run a triangle with this talent? WHY!?), this team improves leaps and bounds. If I were them, I'd be making a huge offer to Marc Gasol and Nene this Summer, and going Jonas or Kanter 2 if they can't move the pick. Hell, I'd even move someone like Webster or a future #2 and this year's 20 to move up a bit and get Biyombo.

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He has done some interesting

He has done some interesting things and have a lot of talent, but he has made some glaring mistakes. Not drafting Curry is number one. They probably could have traded Jefferson and gotten a draft pick to take Cousins which would have given them the best young team in the league, Rubio, Curry, Johnson, Love and Cousins. The issue that I have with Kahn is that he doesn't appear to have a plan in assembling an actual team. I hope they draft Williams and he gives them time to develop some continuity so a big free agent would actually want to come to Minnesota.

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suggestion for the #2 pick

suggestion for the #2 pick trade, tell me what you think:

Minnesota trade: #2 pick(Enes Kanter), Wayne Ellington or Martell Webster

Oklahoma City trade: James Harden, Cole Aldrich and #24 pick

this way OKC getting a great low post present with real offensive ability which they really need maybe to get over the hump, will create very strong and balance bigs trio of Enes Kanter/Serge Ibaka/Kendrick Perkins, the price in the deal is to decline at the SG position.

Minnesota get a proven SG with all star potential, they get young defensive center with great determination who could ends up being upgrade over the mentally weak Darko, also thrown in a first round pick to give more flexibility.

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Stop it. Harden is 21 and

Stop it. Harden is 21 and just came into his own. He's OKC's primary crunch time ball handler and the offense fell apart without him. They aren't trading Harden unless a star magically becomes available... although, were I the Wolves, I'd at least explore Harden and Ibaka for Love, since all reports suggest Love isn't re-signing.

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The word this morning

is that the Wolves are trying to swap the 2nd with the 6th pick (Wizards) and acquire McGee in the process, I believe the word was that the Wizards are asking for more. I think the Wolves ultimately keep the pick unless they get blown away with an offer, Derozan/5th for the 2nd, McGee/6th for the 2nd, 2012 unprotected 1st Round Pick/4th pick for the 2nd.

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BTW

There's never been a published report that said Kevin Love wouldn't resign, he loves the fans and state, can't tell you how many times fans shouted MVP for Love, he loves that &$#%#&@!.

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well...

i'm guessing from your picture, there really isn't anything i can say to make you change your mind. it's nice to blame all of kahn's bad moves on rambis now that he is on his way out. and you're right? luke babbitt will never be as good as martell webster, even though you haven't seen him play major minutes. i guess you've probably been to the blazers' practices and done your scouting. how is elliot williams doing down there too? it must be hard to understand that if you are young player drafted by a team with depth, you can develop before you are thrown on the court. you can be content with your lineup of pgs and tweener sf/pfs and praise david kahn all you want. maybe next year they will have a chance at harrison barnes or austin rivers.

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Trade for Gasol

Trade Ridnour, Beasley and Milicic for Pau Gasol (and Shannon Brown)

Starting Lineup would be:

Ricky Rubio, Wesley Johnson (or Shannon Brown), Derrick Williams (or Wesley Johnson), Kevin Love, and Pau Gasol

The Lakers would be:

Ridour, Kobe, Artest (Beasley), Odom, Bynum

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Knowing Kahn he will either

Knowing Kahn he will either draft Williams and create a logjam or he will organize a horrible trade for his tem and ruin the draft... Just go simple, draft Kanter, and move on.

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