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  • #40590
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    HeelsGuy25
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    I saw a mock with him in first round..whattttt. He can rebound and has length, but a first round pick, come on. Has anyone else seen or heard things stating teams in 1st round like him that much?? He is a mid 2nd rd pick IMO. 

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  • #685053
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    Tyrober
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     He is a hustle player with a high basketball IQ that can play defense for 10-12 minutes a game. Also quite long and will find a place in this league. I have the HEAT taking him in the first round right now. If your expecting him to be a star then you’re in trouble, but he can play solid defense for 10 minutes a night for a cheap under 1million contract for a couple of years. He is a role player that will understand his role for under a million bucks. Hard to beat that.

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  • #685062
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    cyclo
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    I think his rebounding and athleticism would fit perfectly with OKC at #27.  How many points does Kendrick Perkins score?  I think Plumlee could surprise people with his offense.  Smooth handle for a big man.  Also, he’s tall enough, quick enough and has enough hops (obviously) to get his shot off inside.  He just needs to work on hitting the open J consistently.  He’s shown in the past he can do it and his form looks good.

    PF Serge Ibaka 6’10"

    C Miles Plumlee 6’11.75"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xdq34PaUE8

    Think Miles plays better with longer hair.

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  • #685067
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    cyclo
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    This video alone shows posts moves…. and against UNC!

    3-3-2012

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMuHtJyNfUY

     

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  • #685069
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    cyclo
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    Post moves.

    3-3-2012 vs. UNC

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMuHtJyNfUY

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  • #685065
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    UNCbasketballbum
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    I have tried to hide my disgust for Duke recently and be more open-minded with my posts, but this is getting way out of hand.  If Miles Plumlee goes in the first round, I will become a Duke fan, and also quit watching college basketball altogether.  If being having a 40 inch vertical means you should be a first round draft pick in the NBA, then people didn’t watch him play at Duke.  In 4 years of college, he didn’t learn one post move or improve his basketball IQ one bit.  Let’s not kid ourselves here.  Ok, I’m done bashing Miles Plumlee, but if I see one more post about him going in the first round, I might lose it.

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  • #685068
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    HeelsGuy25
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    I agree 100% with you about why he is being considered for 1st round. He doesnt have any go to post moves. You need to bring more to the table than rebounding I feel. He is seen as a 2nd round pick, yet people are hyping him as a 1st round selection. I smell Josh McRoberts 2.0. Ok, thats too much credit haha

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  • #685072
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    UNCbasketballbum
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    I don’t post stuff saying Justin Watts should be a first round pick because he dunked in a game last year.

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  • #685079
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    cyclo
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    Josh McRoberts isn’t nearly as tall or athletic as Miles Plumlee, and their positions will be different, so not much of a comparison.

    No Step Vert: 

    McRoberts 27.5

    Plumlee 34.0

    Max Vert:

    McRoberts 31.5

    Plumlee 40.5

    3/4 Sprint:

    McRoberts 3.47

    Plumlee 3.36

    Lane Agility:

    McRoberts 11.70

    Plumlee 10.64

    Height (without shoes)

    McRoberts 6’8.75"

    Plumlee 6’10.5"

    Of course in shoes, Plumlee is a 7’0" C.  McRoberts is a 6’10" PF.  Big difference.  NBA edge goes to Plumlee.

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  • #685074
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    HeelsGuy25
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    I wont click the link to that video haha  I can think of 5-6 other PF I would take late 1st over him. To post a video from a UNC -Duke game doesnt affect me either. One word..Lehigh.

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  • #685086
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    After 20-25 or so you are basically looking at ROLE PLAYERS.  If you need a big body with hops who can play with energy, rebound, and dunk then you go with Miles Plumlee.  I think he would be a reach before that 20-25 level but after that I could see him going anywhere from 20-45 but I think you could put a few guys in that range.

    His floor is actually pretty high.  A seven footer who can jump out of the building, rebound, and do some dirty work would put you in any 9 man rotation in the league if he can grasp the offensive/defensive sets.  If he gets a jumper then obviously he would be more effective.  A Miles Plumlee with a jumper is a guy I would call a taller Nick Collison with hops.  I have heard others make that comparison too.  And that would be pretty damn good.  Especially if the guy is taken at the end of the first round or somewhere in the top half of the second round.

    OKC could use him as a fourth big behind Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison.  Miami could use him as a 3rd or 4th big behind Bosh, Haslem… oh wait that’s all they have inside.  He would fit in as an 8th/9th man on both these teams.

    I could also see him being a solid fit on Indiana and Memphis.  Both teams could use an athletic 7 foot power forward who could also play some center even though both teams have bigger holes at backup point and they need shooters on the wing.

    I think he projects well as a fourth big man in a 8 1/2 or 9 man rotation.  But I also think he could make some emergency/nominal starts for the Miami Heat or even the Spurs or Mavs if they are looking for a starting 5 with a bit more athleticism and energy.

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  • #685097
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    Miles Plumlee might be a better value at 30 than Meyers Leonard at 13 or Andre Drummond at 3.
    Big, tall, athletic. Those are nice attributes. But you would get better value with a guy like that at 30. Just sayin’.

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  • #685098
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    mikeyvthedon
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    McBob averaged 13, 7.9 and 3.5 as a sophomore. Plumlee averaged 6.6 and 7.1 as a senior. McBob has played 5 seasons in the league. He is only two years older than Plumlee, plus was much better than him at a similar stage as an overall player.

    Athleticism testing has had next to no correlation with NBA success, so this truly shows little in the way of Plumlee being the better player between the two. Also, McRoberts measured with a nearly equal wing span (7’1/7’0.75 in McRoberts favor) and a slightly higher standing reach (8’10.5 to 8’9.5). Plumlee definitely bests him vertically, but how does that make up for McRoberts being the better basketball player?

    McRoberts averaged 3.5 assists per game as a sophomore to Plumlee’s 0.5 apg as a senior. McRoberts also can stretch the floor much more so than Miles. Plumlee may be the slightly better rebounder, but McRoberts still is not terrible in that category, at least offensively. He also has a much greater court awareness.

    Even with all of this, McRoberts grades out to a high second round pick in the 2007 Draft. In a draft that is expected to be deeper, I have little idea as to why a team would feel it would be good value to take Miles Plumlee in the first round. His athleticism numbers were impressive, but this comes down to flat out basketball ability. You really have not seen much from Plumlee.

    He is a niche and energy player who one more than likely will not want in their consistent rotation. His wing span and standing reach are closer to that of a PF than a C, so his being 7 feet tall makes no real difference there. He will be able to stay in front of players, just am not sure he can not be fooled into fouling them or provide much value beyond defense and the occasional rebound. Ultimately, I think you would want more from your first round pick and there are centers of greater value than Plumlee. Not to mention I feel that McRoberts was the better prospect.

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  • #685102
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    avavalis
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    @cyclo

    this video is scary! miles plumlee post moves,austin rivers sharing the basketball…WOW!

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  • #685119
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    xavier328
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    Word from word from what i post before.

    Miles didnt get any better from his 2nd to last year at duke….he was the same player for three years….and to draft him in the first round wouldnt be a smart move. amd any Duke fan would tell you that!

     

    After watching that video still hasn’t change my mind…he was playing out of his mind in a blowout…his best game of his career.

     

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  • #685120
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    HeelsGuy25
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    with both mikey and xavier. cyclo is just trying to justify Plumlee being a solid NBA player, when like Lance Thomas and Josh McRoberts, he wont be lol

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  • #685149
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    cyclo
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    In fact, Miles did get better.

    His production increased from his sophmore season to his senior season in rebounds per minute, assists per minute, blocks per minute, points per game and FG%.

    His rebounding skill, elite big man agility and athleticism at 7’0" tall (in shoes) is what makes him an NBA player, though.  He actually had a game of 22 rebounds this year — the most by any Duke player in 40 years.  I also think his ball handling ability for a big man will surprise people. It definitely surprised observers in the workouts.

    I know some people would like to think he didn’t test as the most athletic big man in the history of the NBA combine but, the fact is, he did.  That will translate.

    Miles averaged 7.1 rebounds in just 20.5 minutes per game. Tops among all centers in the Draft per minute. His rebound rate per 40 minutes (pace adjusted) is 13.4.

    Rebounds per 40 minutes (pace adjusted):

    Miles Plumlee 13.4

    Tyler Zeller 12.4

    Andre Drummond 10.8

    Meyers Leonard 10.4

    Festus Ezeli 10.2

    Feb Melo 9.3

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  • #685159
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    cyclo
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    Miles Plumlee was an enigma throughout his four years at Duke. A 7-0 who could get his head at rim level, he often was forced to play second fiddle to the countless pros that came in and out of Durham during his tenure. Relegated to the role of enforcer inside, Plumlee did what was asked of him by his team and wound up having a productive career.

    There were flashes of brilliance, though. Miles averaged 7 rebounds in just over 20 minutes per game. Even more impressively, three of those boards were snagged on the offensive end. The Indiana native took just 4.3 shots per game with the majority coming around the rim, but did give onlookers a glimpse of what he had to offer by hitting an occasional jumper facing the basket. Now that his role as Blue Devil has been fulfilled, Plumlee has the opportunity to show teams what they may not necessarily have seen at Duke.

    Early in the workout, one thing that was most surprising about Plumlee was his ability to handle the rock. The control that he showed throughout the two-ball work was better than a lot of the wings in the group. Of course we aren’t going to be seeing Plumlee starting the break like Lamar Odom but it’s still good to see the type of control he has with the rock.

    Transitioning over to the shooting drills, Plumlee showed surprising range that you didn’t see too often at Duke. He looked comfortable in pick and pop situations, quickly grasping how to pivot to open the ball and how to time things out after setting a screen.  It was really impressive stuff that you don’t see too often out of a 7-footer who averaged just six points per game as a senior.  Early on in the workout, it was evident you have to dig deeper than the box score with Plumlee.

    “His skill level is a little better than people think, not because they didn’t do a good job at Duke, because they really did a great job there,” said Josh Oppenheimer, former college coach and current trainer at Excel Basketball. “At Duke they’re playing to win National Championships and he had to do what they asked him to do. He definitely has a little bit more range on his shot than people think.”

    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/06/nba-pre-draft-tour-miles-plumlee-workout/

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  • #685160
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    cyclo
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    Miles Plumlee was an enigma throughout his four years at Duke. A 7-0 who could get his head at rim level, he often was forced to play second fiddle to the countless pros that came in and out of Durham during his tenure. Relegated to the role of enforcer inside, Plumlee did what was asked of him by his team and wound up having a productive career.

    There were flashes of brilliance, though. Miles averaged 7 rebounds in just over 20 minutes per game. Even more impressively, three of those boards were snagged on the offensive end. The Indiana native took just 4.3 shots per game with the majority coming around the rim, but did give onlookers a glimpse of what he had to offer by hitting an occasional jumper facing the basket. Now that his role as Blue Devil has been fulfilled, Plumlee has the opportunity to show teams what they may not necessarily have seen at Duke.

    Early in the workout, one thing that was most surprising about Plumlee was his ability to handle the rock. The control that he showed throughout the two-ball work was better than a lot of the wings in the group. Of course we aren’t going to be seeing Plumlee starting the break like Lamar Odom but it’s still good to see the type of control he has with the rock.

    Transitioning over to the shooting drills, Plumlee showed surprising range that you didn’t see too often at Duke. He looked comfortable in pick and pop situations, quickly grasping how to pivot to open the ball and how to time things out after setting a screen.  It was really impressive stuff that you don’t see too often out of a 7-footer who averaged just six points per game as a senior.  Early on in the workout, it was evident you have to dig deeper than the box score with Plumlee.

    “His skill level is a little better than people think, not because they didn’t do a good job at Duke, because they really did a great job there,” said Josh Oppenheimer, former college coach and current trainer at Excel Basketball. “At Duke they’re playing to win National Championships and he had to do what they asked him to do. He definitely has a little bit more range on his shot than people think.”

    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/06/nba-pre-draft-tour-miles-plumlee-workout/

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  • #685172
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    cyclo
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    This video offers a glimpse of Plumlee’s ball handling and shooting skills which he rarely used in his limited role as a banger at Duke.

    Note the smooth handle and the textbook form on his jump shot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xdq34PaUE8

    Very convincing.  With some work, he could become consistent.  NBA teams just want to know does he have the tools, the ability, to go with his elite-level athleticism, and the evidence suggests he does.

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