Mike Brown Back to the Cavs
#Cavs and Mike Brown have reached handshake agreement on deal, league source tells Akron Beacon Journal. Official announcement expected tmrw
Really don't get it.
he's a good mid-level coach. he wont get them to the Promised Land but he can get them to a certain level. they tried to go in a different direction and it didnt work out as quickly as they wanted it to. also, he's about as good as they can get right now. I may be wrong though and just trying to justify some of the things Gilbert and the Cavs do.
Realistically they probably should not have fired him to begin with unless they felt that getting rid of him was going to increase their chances of getting Lebron. I'm not sure why you would bring him back now though. I guess there is a reason why some teams stay at the bottom for so long.
"Realistically they probably should not have fired him to begin with unless they felt that getting rid of him was going to increase their chances of getting Lebron."
Mind boggling. Mike Brown doesn't garner respect from his players. It was apparent in Cleveland (I watch FSN Ohio games), and it was definitely evident in LA. I believe it is only a matter of time before Kyrie bolts now. Foolish move on Clevelands part.
I agree that Mike Brown did not receive respect from some players (not entire team; this is an exaggeration). But look at the situations he was placed in.
A) He was hired to coach Lebron James. At a certain point there was fear that Lebron would leave and Lebron was coddled by more than just Mike Brown because they feared what eventually happened. And the only time he struggled in terms of the respect of his players was when Shaq got there. Did we hear anything about this before Shaq showed up in Cleveland? No we didn't. Surprisingly Shaq has had his share of "disagreements" with coaches.
B) He was hired to coach the Lakers right after Phil Jackson. And his 1st year was in a strike shortened year where he had to implement a high/low offense that catered to the strength of his team. Did I mention that he had the task of coaching Kobe Bryant? Kobe Bryant is a challenging player to coach because of the way that he plays the game. Phil Jackson even acknowledges this. Also, the other player he had trouble with; Andrew Bynum, behaves like a train wreck.
So those are 2 challenging situations to walk into.
The situation in Cleveland with a young group of guys who are hungry and not established is actually the best situation for him to walk into. None of these guys are established stars in the league. They have no pull or power comparable to a Lebron or Kobe. He can create an identity and play off of that.
And as someone already mentioned.....Mike Brown probably never gets fired if the Cavs weren't afraid that retaining him would cost them the chance to keep Lebron. He was not fired due to performance. He was fired because the Cavs wanted to keep a once in a generation type player.
I happen to think Mike Brown is an excellent coach.
I agree that he did walk into some very difficult situations.
However, you are the coach. You are the LEADER of the team. Your philosophies need to be carried out by your team and reiterated by your best player.
LeBron gave up on him in Cleveland in his final year with the Cavs. Yes they had the best record in the league, but LeBron's last year in Cleveland, you could tell he didn't even want to be on the floor in the playoffs.
Kobe Bryant didn't give Mike Brown a chance in LA because he didn't demand that respect from Kobe. He wanted to be Kobe's best friend rather than mentor and leader. You didn't see Kobe ignoring Coach K during the Olympics.
I really like what Siggy said below (shocker). He is a glorified cheerleader rather a leader.
Man... I agree with literally everything you wrote.
MIke Brown is an excellent coach IMO.
I think he is an good coach that is underrated, not excellent in my opinion. I think he might be bettersuited for a team without a superstar simply because he doesnt seem to command the respect of superstars and isnt the best at managing personalities. (Like you mantioned he had difficult tasks) I was thinking the Bobcats should have picked him up because he would have fit well with Kemba and MKG. He also needs a good offensive coordinater.
Edit: kinda redundant what I said about charlotte as you mentioned a similar situation with the cavs.
You said it the exact way I feel about it. Mike Brown has been fired unfairly on two separate occasions...
IMO he's a very good coach!
Awful. They need a teacher, not a cheerleader.
If it were me, I wouldve likely gave Scott another year. Brown's defensive philosophy is excellent *with the proper roster* its just that his offenses are horrible. an NFL offensive coordinator could probably teach him a thing or two.
So the Cavs are bringing in a guy who is the predecessor of the guy who took over his previous vacant position? I can't wait. Ohh Cavaliers, and here I thought we were in the early stages of a new era for the franchise.
Mike Brown. His lack of passionate leadership creates an immeasurable black hole in the leadership department. A team with all these young guys, who are great people with good character like Irving, Zeller, Thompson, Gee and Wild Thing combined with a wild card like Waiters plus a top 5 guy this year needs leadership. I'm talking a strong voice not just a schematically good one like Brown. He hopes his players allow him to coach them, he also allows them to tell him to shut the phuck up, when they don't feel like hearing what he has to say. Maybe if they go Benny Mac or Noel, basically having attitudeless guys then it won't matter much, but still. Kyrie is years away from being that leader and until he plays tougher D then its going to be hard to convince the team he is. He mentioned being the leader of the team in that Hanna Storm thing that aired the other day.
On a positive note, maybe the Cav's finally realized that Kyrie 6*2 and Dion 6*3 can never be elite defenders and Tristan for as much as I love where his game is going he's not an elite shot blocker. This makes Brown a good choice in that he is the king of help defense.
On a bad note his offensives suck and lacks direction. Dion and Kyrie will grow as creators and distributors so that may not be a big deal. His help the helper super conscious defense got killed by the shooters in Orlando and out coached a few times. Doc had a old Celtic's team running after every miss and Stan thoroughly outcoached him on more than one occasion.
Who are Thibs assistants and why is nobody trying to steal them? That's the first place I'd look, if I were looking for defense. I would offer Thibs 8-10 million a season, the Bulls never pay coaches and they aren't about to start now. I always respect guys who bet on themselves as Thibs did and the Bulls are going to pay a lot to have to keep him.
Get ready to see ALOT of Kyrie isolation.
Irving is more likely to average 25PPG next season than 6APG.
Mike Brown has no idea what to do on the offensive end. He iso'd the hell out of LeBron and then iso'd the hell out of Kobe. Now he's going to iso the hell out of Kyrie.
He does have some solid defensive pieces to work with in Thompson...Varejao (If healthy)...Gee.
The only positive I see in bringing Brown back is he is defensive minded. Irving, Waiters, & Zeller desperately need that in their progression going forward.
How does his new coaching position affect the Lakers? Will the Lakers still pay his remaining contract? Anybody knows how that work? It might affect if the Lakers decide to keep/fire D'Antoni.
I love how everyone thinks that Mike Brown doesn't even know what offensive basketball is. Yes he iso'd Lebron, but what else did he have to work with? He didn't iso Kobe, Kobe just decides to iso himself and has since about his second year in the league, that's just how he plays. The fact that somewhat stated he has "no idea what to do on the offensive end" is just naïve, if this was true he wouldn't get a job. And there are such things as assistant coaches who can help with the whole X's and O's on offense.
I think that he is a good coach as far as allowing you to develop as a player. He is also not an old man, and gets his butt of the chair and gets on the court to correct the players. He is the "cool guy" coach that is a bonus chemistry wise to the team because he looks out for his players and isn't individualistic likes Pringles. I say this is going to be good for Cleveland as they grow, especially to have him when they don't put pressure on him to be a contender immediately. However this is pretty much a nail in the coffin against the return of lebron to cleveland
Something had to be done on the defense end. It was painful watching Cavs terrible effort on D night in and night out. It was just terrible.
Two things need to be said, we are not building our team around Lebron James any longer so I have no problem hiring Mike Brown even if Lebron isn't okay with it. Second of all I'm disappointed in this hire because I feel like the last three years basically were just a waste on purpose and as Cavs fans we're basically going to have to continue to wait for improvement, it honestly sickens me...