[r377Participant]

Jordan Mickey and Jarell Martin sound like a comedy act but are actually serious ballers.

Opinions on where each one will go in the draft and how will each one fare as a pro ?

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I’ve been seeing Jarrell play basketball for the last 5 years in Baton Rouge, that’s where i’m from, he stayed like 3 houses down for me. I thought he should have stayed but that’s neither here nor there. They will both ultimately be late first round picks/early second round picks. 

1. Jarell has only been playing basketball since his sophomore year of high school. He was a football player before that then he grew about 6 inches at the age of 15. He has tons of potential, his game can be molded, because he really hasn’t been coached yet. He went to a class B high school in Louisiana, that’s our second smallest class and he dominated. He was bigger and more athletic than everyon else. For comparison’s sake, I’m 5’6 and I was a small forward in Louisiana Class B basketball. He’s only had 2 years of real coaching (if you consider what Johnny Jones doing as coaching). His only real problem is his wingspan. I think he’ll be a better fit as a stretch four, he can shoot it, but he needs to be open, probably be a corner three guy for a while. He really admires Kevin Durant so he tries to pull of those move and he can do them sometimes, coach just has to make sure he’s reeled in and once again mold his ability. He could really be a steal. But that wingspan may be a problem, he’ll be able to guard some threes and he can provide you with that versatility on offense being able to play a little inside and outside, defensively is where the problem is, he’s a real tweener but he always tries hard, also he’s still working on his body, so the potential is there to be a offensive threat. Good athlete not great but I think he can get better. More explosive. I think Jarell really is a boom or bust prospect, not for his talent or work ethic, but Baton Rouge is horrible that’s why we have only a few players who have made it out. He has some not so good people around him. They want the best, but they can be a problem, your boys don’t always give the best advice, so its on him to go out and be great, and listen to his coaches. Don’t think he’s an all star but if he becomes a contributor for a contender I wouldn’t be surprised. A player who can get his shot in the future.  I think his range is Cleveland at 24 and the Lakers at 34. He won’t get past the Lakers twice. 

2. Jordan Mickey liked him in high school. His two years overall were better than Jarell’s. Loved seeing him play. I think Tristan Thompson and Draymond Green are the best things that could happen to Jordan Mickey. He’s an amazing athlete, he has a great wingspan, and he’s a hustler. He can switch out on pick and rolls, not as good as Draymond but better than Tristan, he’s like Willie Cauley Stein light. He will be able to guard small forwards one on one, not the best ones, but most of them, and he’ll be able to guard power forwards because of his wingspan and athleticsm but he is sort of light, the big and tall guys will score on him with a jump hook. Karl Towns scored on him like 3 times with that move in February. He’s working on a mid range jumper, it’s not consistent yet but it’s getting there, it’s a work in progress. He’ll be great in transition but in the half court until that jumper becomes automatic he’ll be a liabilty. I think hes the perfect defender for the NBA’s new pace and space, stretch four league. He can be in that Warriors defense right now. Similar size players that almost switch everything. At the worst he’ll be a hustle defender for years to come. I think his range is Boston at 28 and Miami at 40. BUT… I also wouldn’t be suprised if he has some good workouts and one of those teams between 19-21 (Washington, Toronto, Dallas) reaches for him.   

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I’ve been seeing Jarrell play basketball for the last 5 years in Baton Rouge, that’s where i’m from, he stayed like 3 houses down for me. I thought he should have stayed but that’s neither here nor there. They will both ultimately be late first round picks/early second round picks. 

1. Jarell has only been playing basketball since his sophomore year of high school. He was a football player before that then he grew about 6 inches at the age of 15. He has tons of potential, his game can be molded, because he really hasn’t been coached yet. He went to a class B high school in Louisiana, that’s our second smallest class and he dominated. He was bigger and more athletic than everyon else. For comparison’s sake, I’m 5’6 and I was a small forward in Louisiana Class B basketball. He’s only had 2 years of real coaching (if you consider what Johnny Jones doing as coaching). His only real problem is his wingspan. I think he’ll be a better fit as a stretch four, he can shoot it, but he needs to be open, probably be a corner three guy for a while. He really admires Kevin Durant so he tries to pull of those move and he can do them sometimes, coach just has to make sure he’s reeled in and once again mold his ability. He could really be a steal. But that wingspan may be a problem, he’ll be able to guard some threes and he can provide you with that versatility on offense being able to play a little inside and outside, defensively is where the problem is, he’s a real tweener but he always tries hard, also he’s still working on his body, so the potential is there to be a offensive threat. Good athlete not great but I think he can get better. More explosive. I think Jarell really is a boom or bust prospect, not for his talent or work ethic, but Baton Rouge is horrible that’s why we have only a few players who have made it out. He has some not so good people around him. They want the best, but they can be a problem, your boys don’t always give the best advice, so its on him to go out and be great, and listen to his coaches. Don’t think he’s an all star but if he becomes a contributor for a contender I wouldn’t be surprised. A player who can get his shot in the future.  I think his range is Cleveland at 24 and the Lakers at 34. He won’t get past the Lakers twice. 

2. Jordan Mickey liked him in high school. His two years overall were better than Jarell’s. Loved seeing him play. I think Tristan Thompson and Draymond Green are the best things that could happen to Jordan Mickey. He’s an amazing athlete, he has a great wingspan, and he’s a hustler. He can switch out on pick and rolls, not as good as Draymond but better than Tristan, he’s like Willie Cauley Stein light. He will be able to guard small forwards one on one, not the best ones, but most of them, and he’ll be able to guard power forwards because of his wingspan and athleticsm but he is sort of light, the big and tall guys will score on him with a jump hook. Karl Towns scored on him like 3 times with that move in February. He’s working on a mid range jumper, it’s not consistent yet but it’s getting there, it’s a work in progress. He’ll be great in transition but in the half court until that jumper becomes automatic he’ll be a liabilty. I think hes the perfect defender for the NBA’s new pace and space, stretch four league. He can be in that Warriors defense right now. Similar size players that almost switch everything. At the worst he’ll be a hustle defender for years to come. I think his range is Boston at 28 and Miami at 40. BUT… I also wouldn’t be suprised if he has some good workouts and one of those teams between 19-21 (Washington, Toronto, Dallas) reaches for him.   

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Great insight on both players.  I’ve been trying to get a better look at both players recently as I didn’t see them much at LSU.  I prefer Jordan Mickey for the reasons you stated.  I think his length, shot blocking and hustle will be his greatest asset in the NBA.  If he can be a consistant mid range shooter that will only help him more.  

I think Jarell Martin has the potential to be a Brandon Bass type player.  He’s a little undersized at the power forward position.  He’s also got room to grow and is not a finished product so if he can go to the right situation he can continue to improve.  

Both are solid players and could be role players for years to come if they go to the right teams.  While Mickey is a little shorter at 6’8.25" in shoes compared to Martin at 6’9.25" he makes up for it with his length and shotblocking potential.  That’s what sets him apart from Martin for me.  If both don’t improve at least Mickey can fall back on being a defender.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Great insight on both players.  I’ve been trying to get a better look at both players recently as I didn’t see them much at LSU.  I prefer Jordan Mickey for the reasons you stated.  I think his length, shot blocking and hustle will be his greatest asset in the NBA.  If he can be a consistant mid range shooter that will only help him more.  

I think Jarell Martin has the potential to be a Brandon Bass type player.  He’s a little undersized at the power forward position.  He’s also got room to grow and is not a finished product so if he can go to the right situation he can continue to improve.  

Both are solid players and could be role players for years to come if they go to the right teams.  While Mickey is a little shorter at 6’8.25" in shoes compared to Martin at 6’9.25" he makes up for it with his length and shotblocking potential.  That’s what sets him apart from Martin for me.  If both don’t improve at least Mickey can fall back on being a defender.  

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 Production wise that may be where he lands (Brandon Bass, another Baton Rouge native) but their games are a little different. Brandon Bass is as strong as an ox, Jarell isn’t, Brandon Bass though undersized, makes up for it with an almost 7’3 wingspan. Brandon is a bully, Jarell is more finesse. Brandon Bass may be the best Baton Rouge native to play in the NBA.

If you asked me to give you a comparison for Jarell’s game now, it would be Mike Scott of the Atlanta Hawks, undersized four but can play some three. He can attack the basket and dunk on people, and he can hit threes but not efficiently. His strength right now is driving and he will fight for rebounds. I think that’s his floor. But if you asked me where is Jarell Martin if he reaches his potential, I would say he’s Chandler Parsons at the three. The best thing for Jarell would be if he’s able to be a full time NBA three and a stretch four. Jarell can make plays, he has a 2 year head start on Chandler coming out as a sophomore. They both averaged the same number of assists sophomore year then Chandler improved. Jarell can improve, he has an improving handle, it’s already good, he won’t be a point forward but he can make plays. That’s his ceiling for me, not Tobias Harris as some people are saying. If a late first round/early second round pick gives you 15 points, 5 boards, and 3 assists at his best, who complains? Chad Ford has the Net’s taking him at 29, saying he would be used at the three and the four, and his athleticism and attacking the basket would be good for a team trying to get younger and more athletic. 

You are 100% right on about Mickey. If this is a floor-ceiling debate. Jarell definitely has the higher ceiling, but Mickey has the higher floor. 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 I can see the Mike Scott comparison as well.  I had heard he could play both the 3 and the 4 but was concerned about his ability to put the ball on the floor.  I also know he shot 26% from 3 last season although he shot 33% his freshman season.  Do you think that he’s a better 3 point shooter than his percentage showed last season?  Also how quickly do you think he can extend his range to the NBA 3 with a respectible percentage. 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 I can see the Mike Scott comparison as well.  I had heard he could play both the 3 and the 4 but was concerned about his ability to put the ball on the floor.  I also know he shot 26% from 3 last season although he shot 33% his freshman season.  Do you think that he’s a better 3 point shooter than his percentage showed last season?  Also how quickly do you think he can extend his range to the NBA 3 with a respectible percentage. 

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 Production wise that may be where he lands (Brandon Bass, another Baton Rouge native) but their games are a little different. Brandon Bass is as strong as an ox, Jarell isn’t, Brandon Bass though undersized, makes up for it with an almost 7’3 wingspan. Brandon is a bully, Jarell is more finesse. Brandon Bass may be the best Baton Rouge native to play in the NBA.

If you asked me to give you a comparison for Jarell’s game now, it would be Mike Scott of the Atlanta Hawks, undersized four but can play some three. He can attack the basket and dunk on people, and he can hit threes but not efficiently. His strength right now is driving and he will fight for rebounds. I think that’s his floor. But if you asked me where is Jarell Martin if he reaches his potential, I would say he’s Chandler Parsons at the three. The best thing for Jarell would be if he’s able to be a full time NBA three and a stretch four. Jarell can make plays, he has a 2 year head start on Chandler coming out as a sophomore. They both averaged the same number of assists sophomore year then Chandler improved. Jarell can improve, he has an improving handle, it’s already good, he won’t be a point forward but he can make plays. That’s his ceiling for me, not Tobias Harris as some people are saying. If a late first round/early second round pick gives you 15 points, 5 boards, and 3 assists at his best, who complains? Chad Ford has the Net’s taking him at 29, saying he would be used at the three and the four, and his athleticism and attacking the basket would be good for a team trying to get younger and more athletic. 

You are 100% right on about Mickey. If this is a floor-ceiling debate. Jarell definitely has the higher ceiling, but Mickey has the higher floor. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

I agree with everything Pistol Pete said. I’ve lived in New Orleans for the past two years and have had the chacne to watch these two in person as well. Here are my two cents. 

Mickey: He plays the game with a great level of intensity. I don’t know how he practices, but judging from his play, he seems like someone who has a solid work ethic. Granted, he truly should have stayed in school to gain some sort of offensive skills, but just because someone declares early doesn’t mean they aren’t committed to their development.

There aren’t many players with Mickey’s physical profile in the league. He’s a legit athlete with elite length, and he possesses the rare ability to block shots while on-ball. Do I think he’ll be able to get a block while on Lebron? Probably not. But he could pester the hell out of Joe Johnson and Chandler Parsons, as soon as his rookie year, not an easy feat. He very well could be the next Rodman, smaller of course… but then who knows what role Rodman would have in today’s league? Mickey could be the guinea pig we’ve been waiting for. 

Martin: He has a high ceiling. If a team was purely drafting on potential, he would go above Harrell, McCollugh and Wood. As Pistol Pete mentioned, he didn’t grow up with the game, something that is common in Louisiana. The fact that a 6’9 kid, who has only played for 4 years, already has a jump shot is pretty remarkable. Most tall kids who get shepharded into the basketball are just plopped in the post and don’t have the chance to develop ball skills. With NBA shooting coaches, there is no reason he couldn’t be a reliable 3pt threat. 

In addition, the dude is strong. He is far from chiseled but has the natural strength that gives him the foundation to absorb contact, succeed as a post-defender and be a great screener. But all of these things require a level of committment and work ethic. That’s the main question for Martin, does he have the drive of Mickey. At times he looks like Zach Randolph, other times he looks like Jackie Butler. 

I don’t think Martin will ever be an All-Star, but he definitely has the potential to be a starter on a championship level team. 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

I agree with everything Pistol Pete said. I’ve lived in New Orleans for the past two years and have had the chacne to watch these two in person as well. Here are my two cents. 

Mickey: He plays the game with a great level of intensity. I don’t know how he practices, but judging from his play, he seems like someone who has a solid work ethic. Granted, he truly should have stayed in school to gain some sort of offensive skills, but just because someone declares early doesn’t mean they aren’t committed to their development.

There aren’t many players with Mickey’s physical profile in the league. He’s a legit athlete with elite length, and he possesses the rare ability to block shots while on-ball. Do I think he’ll be able to get a block while on Lebron? Probably not. But he could pester the hell out of Joe Johnson and Chandler Parsons, as soon as his rookie year, not an easy feat. He very well could be the next Rodman, smaller of course… but then who knows what role Rodman would have in today’s league? Mickey could be the guinea pig we’ve been waiting for. 

Martin: He has a high ceiling. If a team was purely drafting on potential, he would go above Harrell, McCollugh and Wood. As Pistol Pete mentioned, he didn’t grow up with the game, something that is common in Louisiana. The fact that a 6’9 kid, who has only played for 4 years, already has a jump shot is pretty remarkable. Most tall kids who get shepharded into the basketball are just plopped in the post and don’t have the chance to develop ball skills. With NBA shooting coaches, there is no reason he couldn’t be a reliable 3pt threat. 

In addition, the dude is strong. He is far from chiseled but has the natural strength that gives him the foundation to absorb contact, succeed as a post-defender and be a great screener. But all of these things require a level of committment and work ethic. That’s the main question for Martin, does he have the drive of Mickey. At times he looks like Zach Randolph, other times he looks like Jackie Butler. 

I don’t think Martin will ever be an All-Star, but he definitely has the potential to be a starter on a championship level team. 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 Mickey is the same type of prospect as Gordon who went forth last year…

[kobyzParticipant]

 Mickey is the same type of prospect as Gordon who went forth last year…

[kobyzParticipant]

 Mickey is the same type of prospect as Gordon who went forth last year…

[kobyzParticipant]

 Mickey is the same type of prospect as Gordon who went forth last year…

[r377Participant]

Any updates on how Jarell Martin and Jordan Mickey are looking in their rookie seasons ?

Memphis hit with injuries so Martin has had some time on court. He had 17-8 against Houston and 16pts against Boston.

Speaking of Boston, they are pretty stacked so Mickey hasn’t had much opportunity but he has been beasting in the d-league…. Mickey has played in 21 games for the Red Claws this season and is averaging 17.1 points, 10.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 4.6 blocks in 33.9 minutes per game over that span.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/mickey-proves-hes-ready-call-or-text?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

[r377Participant]

Any updates on how Jarell Martin and Jordan Mickey are looking in their rookie seasons ?

Memphis hit with injuries so Martin has had some time on court. He had 17-8 against Houston and 16pts against Boston.

Speaking of Boston, they are pretty stacked so Mickey hasn’t had much opportunity but he has been beasting in the d-league…. Mickey has played in 21 games for the Red Claws this season and is averaging 17.1 points, 10.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 4.6 blocks in 33.9 minutes per game over that span.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/mickey-proves-hes-ready-call-or-text?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

[r377Participant]

Good to see both Martin and Mickey getting NBA starts today. Not bad for two lowly picked players….

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Funny thing is I actually picked up both of these guys in Mooch’s nbadraft.net ESPN fantasy league.

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