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Michigan State

I'm a big Michigan State fan but next year looks like a down year. With Payne and Appling gone the leadership will take a major hit. Throw in the possibility of Dawson leaving and the certainty of Harris leaving and the program looks completely different. Valentine will have to step up next year and be the vocal leader. I would like to seem him at the point most of the time with his size and his passing ability. Costello will have to step up his game as with the athletic Schilling. Their class coming in is nothing special. I see them falling out of the top 3 of the big ten. I guess we will have to wait for the tall and lean Deyonta to show up in a couple years to get them back on track.


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Izzo, as a recruiter, takes

Izzo, as a recruiter, takes some blame for this.

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Well if you believe the

Well if you believe the rumours about Gores wanting Izzo for the Pistons, it might not be his problem anymore.

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i dont believe those rumors.

i dont believe those rumors.

not one bit of it.

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Michigan State will be fine.

Michigan State will be fine. With the increasing rate of Grad Transfers and coaching changes, Spring recruiting has gotten that much more important and Izzo will probably pick up a couple late commits. I also expect Alvin Ellis and Gavin Schilling to bust out next year.

Nobody thought Caris Levert would become what he did this year. Same goes for Casey Prather. The list goes on with guys who weren't productive right away then came out of nowhere.

Assuming they don't get any transfers or significant late season recruits their starting 5 would probably look like:

Trice-Ellis-Valentine-Dawson-Costello

Kaminski and Tum Tum could be feature bench guys and I fully expect Valentine to step up and become a 14 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg type guy.

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Appling, frankly, was

Appling, frankly, was overrated.

It was proven on Sunday, again. Payne and Harris are just huge losses though.

Gary Harris is a freaking stud. An absolute ball hawk. How did he not have a great shooting year? Good rhythm, great stroke, he's gonna be a very good 3 and D guy in the NBA.

Plus a tough on ball defender.

Trice and Valentine will be interesting guys to watch. Both very athletic. And they can stroke it a bit.

Dawson's bad game against UCONN might be enough for him to lose the momentum he was building and convine him to stay another year.

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From ESPN Insider

Recruit and return: Michigan State
March, 30, 2014
MAR 30
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By Reggie Rankin | ESPN.com

To return to the NCAA tournament, a team needs contributions from both returning players and incoming recruits. Here's a look at Michigan State and its chances of dancing again in 2015.

Quick references:
2013-14 roster
2014 recruiting

Possible 2014-15 starting five:
G: Travis Trice
G: Gary Harris
F: Branden Dawson
F: Denzel Valentine
C: Matt Costello

Who it loses: Leading scorer Gary Harris is a potential top-10 NBA draft selection after completing his sophomore season. Second-leading scorer and rebounder Adreian Payne's length and skill will be missed immediately, as will point guard Keith Appling, who was the Spartans' third-leading scorer, assist leader and best playmaker off the bounce.

Who it adds: Michigan State needed and landed a true point guard in ESPN 100 prospect Lourawls Nairn, who is the No. 73 player overall. Nairn brings toughness, defense and the ability to push and distribute the ball. Versatile swingman Javon Bess is a major sleeper who can play and defend both wing positions and provides some insurance and depth if Harris leaves for the NBA.

What it means for next season: It depends on what Harris decides. With him, the Spartans will be contenders but will have to find some low-post scoring. If Harris leaves, roles will be adjusted accordingly and the Spartans will most likely score by committee. Michigan State should still rebound and defend at a high level.

Trending: Even. Michigan State coach Tom Izzo will have to see who steps up into the leadership role and who can provide some consistent scoring and rebounding. There is talent is on the roster, but if Harris leaves, the Spartans’ go-to guy could be in question heading into the season.

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No way Garry Harris comes

No way Garry Harris comes back another year with that lineup. If Appling and Payne had another year of elgibility, sure, there's a chance.

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MSU's class last year was

MSU's class last year was terrible. Ellis and Schilling are barely Big Ten caliber players.

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as a big MSU basketball

as a big MSU basketball fan... i was devastated they lost vs UCONN... the thing with izzo is that he doesnt recruit nationally... only the states closest to michigan... idk why he does that but he just does... appling, harris and dawson were all mcdonald all amercians... but i would like to see more come to MSU without a doubt... theres a big man from muskegon, michigan with the name of deyonta davis who destroyed my former high school in the state championship game.. i think hes #48 in the class of 2015 so thats positive... state also offered this guy that went to my highschool.. hes a senior now... 6'8'' 230... yante maten... hes a super nice guy... hes a 3 star recruit but i really want to see more 5 star recruits coming to us... izzo is the man and is a great coach so we'll see

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Izzo State

Problem is, Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke are taking all the top guys. Even a team like UNC has off years recruiting wise. Less margin for error if you don't get the "blue chip players" year in and year out.

I would bet that Michigan State has a solid team next year and would get the benefit of the doubt by the tournament committee (either in getting in or getting a favorable seeding).

But, he needs to recruit big time IF he wants to get to the Final Four every year. Otherwise, he might turn into Bobby Knight, a heck of a coach, a guy with an incredible resume, and even some titles, but with some lackluster teams due to an aversion to recruiting.

Also, Michigan is back. So, MSU has an instate rival to compete with. Ohio State and Indiana are some other strong teams in the region, with another Big 10 team (Wisconsin) making a run to the Final Four. Michigan State is not the only game in town so to speak, not even in its own state.

Izzo has to get those top notch McDonald's All Americans. Those guys, by and large, are the ones who help you compete for Final Fours and national titles. He even has to go after the one and done guys, even though he probably doesn't want to.

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One thing I never got was why

One thing I never got was why Izzo never went for Myles Turner. Ohio State is on his radar, but no Michigan St. MSU could definitely use Myles Turner next year with their lack of bigs.

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I think something that

I think something that everyone tends to overlook is Izzo's ability to motivate and develop players. Look at the games of Payne, Appling, Dawson, Draymond Green, and Denzel Valentine. All those guys started as bench players and developed into starters making deep runs into the tournament. Izzo needs to step up the recruiting efforts, but don't count them out yet, we have some young guys that will step up and play tough Spartan basketball.

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The first three guys you listed

were all top 100 players coming out of HS. Going off of Rivals: Payne-#20 nationally. Appling-38, Dawson-20. Even Valentine (81st) was a 4* guy and a top-100 player. Not sure you can really give Izzo credit for developing them just because they couldn't earn some PT early in their careers.

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The first three guys you listed

were all top 100 players coming out of HS. Going off of Rivals: Payne-#20 nationally. Appling-38, Dawson-20. Even Valentine (81st) was a 4* guy and a top-100 player. Not sure you can really give Izzo credit for developing them just because they couldn't earn some PT early in their careers.

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Izzo has been recruiting

Izzo has been recruiting Montaque Gill-Caesar also, who could be a huge pickup. 6'6 two-way Shooting guard who looks like he'd be a perfect fit.

sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Montaque-Gill-Caesar-143516

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Saying Izzo develops must be

Saying Izzo develops must be a joke, especially with Beilein right down the road? Dawson,Payne and Appling were all 5 star recruits who developed at a snails pace, hence the 4 year college careers. Valentine and Green were also top 100 players and the jury is still out on Denzel Valentine.

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