With Gay returning, could anyone else see them becoming a legit championhip contender next season?
I'm biased, but I think they could be. They have one of the best starting 5's in the NBA, and are also one of the most athletic and deepest teams. They don't have a true superstar, but they have lots of all star caliber players.
Slow down amigo. Big win tonight, but let's get a good sleep and think it over in the morning
Watch the Thunder/Grizzlies series and you will see that Rudy Gay does not have anything on Kevin Durant. No one can stop Kevin Durant but himself. Guy is amazing and Rudy Gay will never be on his level. The Thunder have a very good shot at being the Champions this year. First they need to past the Lakers. If they do then the Championship is basically thiers. The Grizzlies are a good team and will always a threat to make the playoffs from now on, but they are not a threat to be NBA Champions not now, and certainly next year. They will need to fix their shooting guard position first and then just play great and get better and better. But a championship will not come for at least 5 years.
I think they are better than most team in the playoffs except for LA. Look at how they would match up against all the team left. I think a lot of people are doing stuff based on hype. If you look at who is on their team and what they can all provide, you see that they are a balanced team. If they had Gay, they would have a insane inside outside combo. They would still need to go to their front court to open things up for the perimeter. I think if they do that and you have Gay who can dominate. Memphis could have a big 4. Gay, Gasol, Randolph, Conley. I know a lot of people would not give them this because they will say they are young and they haven't done much.
You could say the same thing about the Bulls and OKC. You could also say similiar stuff about Miami except for Wade none of that big 3 has a ring.
Grizz would hammer Miami because Miami has not front court. Tony Allen has shown he can give Lebron and Wade fits. Battier is pretty solid on D. Randolph would put a hurting on Bosh. Heat has no Center that could really bother Gasol.
Also Memphis plays together better than Miami does on most nights.
They most likely lose Mayo and Gasol this off-season, and maybe randolph, too. No way they replace those guys enough to even improve on this year, let alone win it all.
" Watch the Thunder/Grizzlies series and you will see that Rudy Gay does not have anything on Kevin Durant. No one can stop Kevin Durant but himself. Guy is amazing and Rudy Gay will never be on his level. The Thunder have a very good shot at being the Champions this year. First they need to past the Lakers. If they do then the Championship is basically thiers. The Grizzlies are a good team and will always a threat to make the playoffs from now on, but they are not a threat to be NBA Champions not now, and certainly next year. They will need to fix their shooting guard position first and then just play great and get better and better. But a championship will not come for at least 5 years."
First off, obviously Durant is a great player and can't be stopped, but he absolutely can be contained and Ron Artest proved that last year. Then you say "First they need to past the Lakers. If they do then the Championship is basically thiers.".....Really? So they would breeze past Boston, Miami, or Chicago? Sure. Lastly, Memphis isn't a championship team as of now, but they aren't far off at all. Gay makes them so much better and not that far off from being a big force.
ProudGrandpa, Mayo would only leave if they trade him, Gasol will most likely stay, and ZBO has already signed a extension. There core will most likely stay together.
wardb12, what does Durant being a better player than Gay have to do with this thread?
I'm telling you guys, the Thunder, Lakers, or Bulls will be the champions this year. Watch and see.
I probably should not have said anything about Durant. My mistake, I apologize, but what I'm tryng to say is this: The Grizzlies really have improved alot since the trade deadline. And they will be different in this series. But the Grizzlies are still not quite there yet. They need to seriously address their SG position. Yes, I do think OJ Mayo will be traded this offseason. But Randolph and Gasol will stay there I think. The only person that is getting traded or upgraded is OJ Mayo. The Grizzlies will probably just get a complimentary player for him, but they still have a long way to go.
I'm not quite sure if the Thunder will win it all, but one thing I am quite sure on is that if the Thunder don't make it, then they will be very close. My guess is this. The Bulls will face the Lakers in the Finals. I don't know who would win between the Lakers and the Bulls, but I do think the Thunder are dang close to being champions. Not quite there yet, but they don't have much farther to go.
The Grizzlies are a lot like the Thunder, but the Thunder are on a whole another level then the Grizzlies are. If you want to be the champions you have to beat the best. So far the Grizzlies have only beaten the Spurs who are an old team, and need to start the rebuilding process. The Thunder are not like that. And the Thunder are next, and they will be dang tough for the Grizzlies to beat. I don't think the Grizzlies can do it. Like I said before, if you want to be the best, then you have to beat the best. The Thunder are just one of those teams. I don't think the Grizzlies have enough to beat them not even with Rudy Gay. Nor do I think that they will be there next year. Give them 2 or 3 years and maybe you will see a championship. (I admit that 5 years thing was way off)
Memphis has to decide what to do with Mayo...They've use him as 6th man this season..But he plays better as a starter..Will rookie Xavier Henry show enuff improvement in the 1st few games of next year make them trade Mayo?
And Even though Conley has improved a little.He still have trouble guards on defense...For they to even be considered a championship ,this must be addressed, along with their lack of perimeter and 3 point shooting....Once those 3 issues are cleared up, the sky is the limit for them....
They did beat a banged up, old Spurs team.That is a great step in the right direction, but I can't see them making out the second round this year or anytime soon unless they win season games to help with their seeding. They have a solid squad, but honestly, I can see them being the Hawks of the west if anything. Randolph is probably their best player right now, but he's at the peak of his career, so more than likely he's only going to digress from here on. If Portland is moderately healthy next year, I would put them as a contender over Memphis if anything. I still see it being LAL, OKC, and _____? Whatever that third team is going out in the second round.
i think the only adjustment to the starting 5 they need to make is rudy gay for sam young..tony allen has done a damn fine job as the starting 2
^^^ i agree, tony allen was such a good acquisition for the grizz.. they are such a good defensive team with him..
I hate to say it, but I think the Grizzles are for real. They have one of the biggest advantages multiplied by 2... Two low post scorers. Most teams don't even have one guy that can or will post up. They have good wing defense which we know is key in the NBA because that is where most of the scorers are. Also they finally have some bench depth now. I actually think they match up well with everyone left, though to be completely honest I think that every team left with the exception of the Hawks has a legit chance of winning it all and to a lesser degree the Mavs, which are literally going to have to show up big every night to do so.
I know some people think Rudy would have disrupted what the team has and that is possible, but I think if they can keep their guys that they can manage to work him in as the main perimeter threat while still making sure the bigs get the touches they need. He's going to add some shooting, scoring, athleticism and defense. Even though Henry wasn't getting a lot of time, I can see him adding some shooting next year which is needed. This team should only get better, but they will have to keep Gasol because he's not going to be replaceable with what is available.
The Grizzlies need to re-sign Marc Gasol. If they do that the Grizz have one of the best starting lineups in the league next season and a pretty good, young bench. As long as Randolph keeps producing and the core is kept together Memphis will be tough to beat.
But championship contenders... How many teams you consider championship contenders? 2? then no. 5? then probably not. 8? then probably yes.
Tony Allen can guard a lot of top players and you have to believe that he and Battier will make Durant work. Allen could possibly guard Westbrook though. OKC will have to rely on their other players and if they get no production from them. they will lose. Grizz has more weapons on offense. They are pretty decent on defense. The 3 point line is what will keep OKC in games.
Why would they need to adress the SG position they are 3 deep in SG's. Tony Allen is a very capable defender, and Gay makes up fr his offensive issues. Henry is a good looking prospect that would go Top 5 in this draft, and Mayo is underutilized and underrated.
I think we are championship contenders THIS season. I think LA, Miami and Boston have the slight edge, but I think we are better stronger contenders than Dallas and Atlanta, and probably Chicago. The top five contenders as of right now are us, OKC, LA, Boston, and Miami. Miami lacks the great low post duo that we have in Z BO and Marc Gasol. I think those two guys with their combination of size, rebounding, and scoring is really, really tough to beat. I think we have the edge over OKC, Chicago, and Dallas as far as having two post guys who can really score. LA has two guys and they will give us a lot of trouble. Boston has KG who has a size advantage over Z BO, and also Shaq who I think will give the Celtics decent minutes down the stretch. Big Baby is as good a back up big man as anyone.
I think LA and Miami have the best talent in their top 3 guys with some solid players around them. But I like our starting five and Boston's starting five. Great defense, some great scorers, size, and length. I like our bench as much as anyone's. If OJ Mayo gets going (15 or 16 points a game) then we will be very tough to beat. ... I like our defense since we can use Tony Allen against Westbrook, Kobe, and Wade. We can use Shane against Durant, maybe Dirk, and Lebron. Gasol can play any center straight up, and Hamed can block shots off the bench.
I think next year, San Antonio, LA, and Boston fade a little bit, but Miami, Chicago, and Oklahoma City will get a little bit better. I still think we will be in the top 4 or 5 teams in the league. I think we will resign Marc Gasol, we need to (and probably will) resign Shane Battier. I think we can keep Haddadi fairly cheap. I would try to keep OJ Mayo since he is a perfect sixth man who can create his own shot, hit 3's, as well as handle the ball and pass some. He and Greivous are AWESOME together off the bench. GV has great size and court vision as a point guard, and OJ Mayo can also handle the ball. Both can create their own shot and aren't afraid to take big shots. Shane Battier is perfect coming off the bench. Great team defender, leader, and he can hit outside shots. He also has been rebounding well as a stretch four and he has hit some nice jump hooks. He's a great guy off the bench for 15-20 minutes a night, but he can also give you 30 minutes a night when needed. Darrell Arthur is a BEAST who can attack the basket, rebound, block shots, get throw down some dunks, and hit the mid-range jumper. He is a great power forward but he can also play some center. He might also be our most versatile big man on defense. He reminds me of Horace Grant from those championship Bulls teams.
With Rudy Gay coming back I think our starting backcourt will be Conley and Tony Allen. This will move Sam Young to the bench and give us some more depth. He is very strong and athletic, and he has great scorer's mentality. He can play the 2 or 3. When he is on, watch out. He can also throw down some rim-bending dunks. He needs to improve his jumper, but he did hit our only 3 last night. He will give the Grizzlies some more toughness and offensive firepower off the bench for 10-15 minutes next year or he can be a token starter in the backcourt if we want to go big. OJ, GV, Arthur, Shane, and Sam gives the Grizzlies 5 very good players off the bench. That's a very deep bench. Haddadi has been effective at center in limited minutes. I like his game. He has a nice touch around the basket and can block some shots. I think we need to resign him. Ish Smith is a speedster with decent ball handling skills. As a 12th man or inactive player he gives us some insurance at the point guard spot. He also knows the system pretty well and will be a better option as a deep reserve point guard than any guy we could get in the draft. If we decide to keep Ish, great, he is young, cheap, and and great speed even though is short and can't really shoot. If we decide not to keep him then I think we should sign a cheap veteran point guard as insurance. But, I think we have a legit starter in Mike Conley, a legit backup in GV, and OJ Mayo who can handle the ball and play spot minutes at point (or just play GV and OJ in the backcourt for 10-15 minutes a night). Tony Allen can handle the ball some, and bring the ball up the court and give Conley a chance to catch his breath, trail the play, and spot up for 3. More importantly, those three guys can all guard point guards.
The best thing to do might be to trade Xavier Henry for cash and some picks. He makes a decent amount of money that we can use on other guys. I think trading him for cash, a second round pick this year, and a future first round pick would be a solid trade for us. Then we can draft a solid player with the second round pick and maybe sell our second round pick for cash. We could then use the second round pick to get a cheaper shooter like Ravern Johnson, David Lighty, or Jon Diebler. With Tony Allen, OJ, and Sam Young at the 2 and Rudy and Battier at the 3, the wing spots are pretty much covered. What we really need is a three-point specialist. Diebler might be the best option. Or we might be able to trade Xavier Henry, and our 2nd round pick for a late first round pick and cash.
With the 49th pick, assuming we don't sell it for cash (which we might) and assuming we keep OJ Mayo I think we need to get either depth at center or a forward who can play some three and some four, as well as rebound, bang, and hit some 3's. That's why I still like us taking Matt Howard at 49. He is a tough, hard-nosed, scrappy player who has basketball smarts. He is a winner and hit some clutch shots in the tournament this year. He can hit some outside jumpers and get inside for some rebounds. A front line off the bench of DA, Shane, and Howard would be solid. He could turn into a poor man's Shane Battier some day, only cheaper and with sharper elbows. I am assuming we don't resign Leon Powe so I think we would need some front-court depth. We could use a center in the draft but I don't really see any that late. Mike Strickland might be a good option. Good height, athletic, could be a good 3rd center. Alex Tyus would be a good shot blocker and could play some power forward. We might be better off using Leon Powe's money on not signing a veteran point guard and instead getting a cheap veteran center. A guy with a few years under his belt and a 7 foot pulse.
With Rudy Gay coming back I think we are one of the top 3 or 4 teams over the next few seasons. I think Z Bo is a legit all-star and go to guy down low. Pencil in 20 points and 10 rebounds for him. Rudy Gay is a great player with elite athleticism, and another guy who can hit clutch shots. He is also great on the fast break and has the ability to go to the basket, basically at will. That's a great 1-2 option. I think Rudy Gay is the 4th best small forward in the league behind LeBron, Durant, and Carmelo. (I think Dirk is more of a power forward). Marc Gasol is a top 5 center in the league and can be the best overall center nex to Dwight Howard next year. I think he needs to improve his conditioning though, and maybe add some more muscle. There is a lot of Arvydas Sabonis in his game. Great 3rd option. Mike Conley is improving as a point guard, and is a good outside shooter. He hits threes and gets to the basket, and he also sets up the big men. He's the fourth starter who can get his own shot along with Z Bo, Rudy Gay, and Marc Gasol. A great fourth option. Tony Allen is an awesome one-on-one defender, a great leader, the heart and soul of the team, and a very good athlete with an explosive step. Pretty good at finishing at the basket. He can get his points without plays being run for him which is nice. Not a very good shooter from deep or from mid-range but he did hit some nice shots in this series. He can defend the 1,2, and 3 and can dominate the game without scoring. Decent ball handler. He can also get you 10 or 12 points a night just on hustle plays, cuts to the basket, offensive rebounds, and free throws. That's a huge plus.
We are a definitely a contender with two first-class scoring options, a couple of other great options in Gasol and Conley, a ball hawk defender, a great sixth man (OJ), and a very solid bench. In the off season I would try to resign everyone, but if I had to trade I would trade Xavier for cash and picks. Keep the point guards, and continue to develop Ish Smith (send him down to the D League some for some seasoning). Maybe sign a veteran center. Turn Xavier Henry into a cheap shooter (Diebler, Lighty, etc.), and draft either a guy like Matt Howard who can hit the 3 and can rebound some, or get a center or a shot blocker. I think Tim Abromitis would be a great pick (great outside shooter who can score and play some at either forward spot), but he might be going back to Notre Dame for a year. If the shooters are gone, and we decide not to take Matt Howard or Alex Tyus then I think Josh Harrelson might be a good pick. Great rebounder at Kentucky, looks like he has a nice shooting touch. Could be undersized but he can bang and rebound at a high level. We wouldn't miss much rebounding with Harrelson and Arthur off the bench. Chuck Hayes, another undersized rebounder from Kentucky, currently plays center, so Harrelson might be able to play some center too. In the draft I don't think we need a point guard, and other than signing everyone, I think we need to concentrate on either sitting on Xavier Henry and hope he develops or turn him into a cheaper shooter, get a cheap veteran, preferably a center, if not, then a point guard with 3 point range, and draft a tough, hard-nosed winner who can come in right away and play and can fill a role (Howard and Harrelson are two under-the-radar guys that I really like for our team).
On offense we could use a knock-down 3 point shooter. Xavier Henry didn't shoot well when he played. Conley is a good 3 point shooter, Rudy Gay can get some. OJ Mayo sort of lost his three point stroke this year but he can probably get it back. I can see him being one of the best 3 point shooters off the bench (volume and totals, if not percentage). Shane Battier has been solid on corner 3's throughout his career. He hit the game winning 3 in game one of this series. GV looks solid from deep. Z Bo can hit a few. He hit a HUGE three in game 3. Last year he hit a half court shot just before half time. Sam Young can hit a few; he hit our only 3 pointer last night.
While we lack a true, first rate 3 point threat we have some good 3 point shooters in Conley, OJ, Rudy, and Shane. If we are looking for our own version of Reddick or Korver then we should draft Jon Diebler. That would allow us to move Xavier Henry and free up cash to spend on re-signing guys. That's our only real weakness on offense. We have two legit 20 point guys, and some good secondary scorers. Even Hadaddi has a nice touch around the basket and has gotten some big buckets throughout the year.
On defense, we could use another shot-blocker and a guy to take up space. Gasol is a good shot-blocker, but not an elite one. Z Bo doesn't block shots at all. DA gets some off the bench. Rudy Gay is a great shot-blocker for a small forward. Haddadi is solid at blocking shots. If we had another enforcer and intimidator off the bench that would be great. A guy that can give us 10 minutes a night at the five, use some fouls, block shots, deny the paint, and get some rebounds. If he could hit some of those mid-range jumpers then that would be a huge bonus. But I think we are pretty complete as a team. Our owner doesn't like to spend a bunch of money, but he will spend money on a contender. That's why I think we resign Shane Battier and OJ Mayo along with Marc Gasol. Moving Xavier Henry could free up some cash. We might also sell our 2nd round draft pick (we sold a 1st round pick last year) if we don't like any of the guys available. But we are very deep with an ideal 9 1/2 man rotation (OJ, Shane, DA off the bench along with GV and Sam Young for spot minutes). So we only need to add an 11th man (either in the draft or in free agency). Hadaddi is a great 12th man. I think we keep Ish Smith around for insurance. So we are basically talking about adding the final piece to the puzzle. What we might need to do is draft for need (shooter?), then wait until late in the season to pick up a veteran (save on money) for the stretch run. There's always some guys available.
for the Grizz this year. Where's the playoff winning experience? You're talking about a team that just won it's first playoff series ever. I think their future is great based on the fact that they play very solid defense. I'll be rooting for them against the Thunder but Oklahoma is not San Antonio.
I live in Orlando and i'm a Memphis season ticket holder...But i dont see them winning a title this year...They've won the season series against the Thunder 3-1, including 1 win without Rudy Gay..To beat the Thunder i think they need more offense from Mayo and a better defensive effort from Conley, who constantly gets out played on some nights....
They might beat OKC and gave the Mavs or Lakers a tough series..But without Rudy they sometimes struggles on offense.......Tony Allen is a Godsend..His effort on defense is whut they docor oredered,becuz Memphis use to have a hard time guarding people and holding on to big leads....
In the next few years, if Dorrell Arthur and some of the other bench players continue to develop, I can completely see why they might be title contenders. They were able to lock down the spurs offense, which no other team was able to do in the regular season. And on top of that, they don't have their go-to guy in Rudy Gay. Sam Young is a solid role player, but he is not starter. With Rudy Gay returning at the 3, and Tony Allen still starting at the 2 the grizzlies are one of the best perimeter defending teams in the league and Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph both aren't afraid to bump heads with some of the best centersd in the NBA. The Grizzlies definatly are a title contender in the next coming years.