Melo/Denver looking to part ways.
Carmelo Anthony(notes) wants out of Denver, and World Wide Wes delivered that message to the Nuggets with all the delicacy of a jackhammer at Sunday morning services. Do yourself a favor and trade him, the agent told the organization weeks ago.
Carmelo Anthony has made it clear to the Nuggets he wants a change of scenery.
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Denver was furnished with a short list of teams and told to get to work. Yes, this how William Wesley and Leon Rose of CAA work now, thick with threats and ultimatums and a swagger suggesting that the sport belongs to them. After Anthony told owner-in-waiting Josh Kroenke that he still wanted out of Denver during a Sunday meeting, the Nuggets appear done trying to sell their All-Star forward on a contract extension.
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This wasn’t a productive, nor particularly pleasant, meeting and multiple sources said it could turn out to be the point of no return for Anthony and the organization. Sources insist it’s no longer a matter of if the Nuggets trade Anthony, but when, where and for whom he’s traded for.
“It’s almost a given they’re going to move him,” said a front-office executive who’s talked with the Nuggets and Anthony’s agents with CAA.
Between the agents’ bullying and Anthony’s dismissive disposition in Sunday’s meeting, sources said Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke, Josh’s father, finally made a stand with CAA.
Keep it up, and the Nuggets will never do a deal for one of your clients again.
Try to dictate terms of a trade and we won’t move him.
Keep up the heavy-handedness and you’ll get a war.
Kroenke has decided to deal with CAA in a way most of the league is too fearful to try. Leon Rose, the agent who works with Wesley, backed down, sources said, and is willing to be more open-minded on potential trade destinations. Anthony wants to leave Denver and get his three-year, $65 million contract extension now. This partnership is rounding third and rapidly reaching disrepair. Denver is willing to trade Anthony, J.R. Smith(notes) and Kenyon Martin(notes), and start over again, sources said.
The Nuggets made it clear to teams they want young players and draft picks for Anthony, league executives said. The New Jersey Nets and Los Angeles Clippers have emerged as the two most probable destinations for Anthony because they have assets that appeal to Denver. The geography works for Anthony because of his wife LaLa Vazquez’s entertainment career.
Golden State and Houston are contenders, too. What’s more, the Charlotte Bobcats are a sleeper because of Anthony’s Brand Jordan shoe deal and the team’s ability to give the Nuggets a salary-dump proposal.
Back in mid-July, the Kroenkes had to travel to New York for Anthony’s wedding to finally realize he no longer intended to sign their extension offer. The reception spiraled into an evening of Chris Paul(notes) and Anthony’s brother making toasts about a future partnership for Anthony and Paul in New York with the Knicks. With nothing to trade for Anthony, though, New York isn’t considered a strong contender in the eyes of Denver management.
Few can be as strong-minded and willful as Stan Kroenke, and it doesn’t matter the Nuggets will be turned over to his son Josh by the end of the year. Stan still will be lording over the franchise, and the billionaire has shown an old-school ability to carry through on his convictions once you’ve lost him as an ally.
With the way that CAA has tried to muscle and manipulate the market this summer, a source said Stan Kroenke, freshly approved as the St. Louis Rams owner, feels further emboldened in the NBA’s collective bargaining talks to push for a “franchise player” tag that teams could slap on superstars like the one the NFL uses. NBA owners are still far from seriously discussing that issue, but CAA’s manipulation of Anthony and Paul while under contract has become an increasingly sore subject within the league.
For now, the departure of Denver general manager Mark Warkentien and the increased influence of Kroenke advisor Bret Bearup means there won’t be much of a fight within the organization to stay the course with Anthony, sources said. Denver has hired Masai Ujiri as its new GM, but he doesn’t arrive with the authority to make major moves. Things have deteriorated too fast and grown too nasty to believe Denver will turn back now. ‘Melo is on the market, and the bidding has begun.
Right now, I think Melo's 5 teams for me are
Houston, New York, Los Angeles C., Charlotte, Orlando
I know his wife wants to live in the big lights, but is that really a big enough influence for him to accept a trade to the Clippers? I realize they have young talent & whatnot, but seriously? I'd stay as far as I could from LA, but not just 'cause the Clippers are horrible, but because Kobe runs things over there.
& I really hope Houston makes their strong push. I was reading DimeMag & one of the writers think that a package of Jefferies, Battier, & K-Mart for 'Melo & Anthony.. I think Denver would want someone else though i.e Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill, or Patterson.
Okay its all over Melo is going to be traded. Once World Wide Wes's name is involved its all over. Yeah right..Its Over.
I remember reading an article stating the Ariza trade was just Houston gearing up for a bigger trade. Houston is number 1 IMO.
Don't count out the Clippers
They have 2 1st round picks in 2012 ( There's AND the T-Wolves) to throw to Denver and some alright players to send as well.
Maybe throw in New Yorks draft pick and youve got a deal.
Houston is trying to rebuild. Why even take back Martin?
I say Jeffries/Battier, Budinger, Hill and a couple 1st rounders for Melo and Smith
I can't see him landing in New York. They don't have the pieces to get a deal done in my opinion.
I think he ends up in Houston or LAC. Like someone said above, I think Houston has been gearing up for a big trade for some time.
If this was December ( where FA's and traded players can be traded again), I think NY would get Melo.
Sadly, I think he's going to Houston.
In my opinion, Houston needs to keep the following players:
Yao Ming, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry, Courtney Lee, Luis Scola, Chuck Hayes, & Brad MIller.
Chase Budinger, Jared Jefferies, Shane Battier, Patterson, Taylor, & K-Mart are the only ones I'd be fine with us trading.
Last year when we made the deal for Martin I heard it was just so Houston could use him in a bigger trade & I heard it again when the Ariza deal was made. I wouldn't be surprised if Melo ends up in Houston. Hopefully he does because after watching Yao Ming's workout video, he looks really good. He's not in top form, but for him to be where he's at at this point & moving the way he is, it's encouraging
I cant believe it.
A Knicks fan? Giving up? This cant be true.
I think ge ends up in Houston simply because they have young quality players they can offer. I was hoping ORL was gonna get it done but its looking less and less likely now.
I hear you but it doesn't make sense for Denver to get rid and rebuild by taking back a 3 year, 30 mil deal back.
Other than Yao, I'd trade anybody on Houston's roster for Melo.
I personally think both gallo, randolph and curry expiring is enough for Melo. But honestly I am kind of excited to watch these two this season and even though it would make the Knicks a worse team I would rather watch young talent reach their potential on the team.
I agree, if it has to be done then make the moves...but I'm thinking of a matchup against L.A.
I'd rather Houston keep some key players.
& our bench is pretty darn good too if we'd have Smith, Lowry, Miller, Hayes, & whomever else isn't traded.
but you're right.
Anyone on Houston's roster should be traded besides Yao to make it happen.
I just really want to keep those players....losing too much makes it pointless to bring 'Melo over.
Bill Simmons just said the fairest trade would be
'Melo, Billups, & Smith to Houston
Brooks, K-Mart, Jefferies, Hill, Battier, 2012 NYK Pick to Denver
Holy Crap! If we could get Billups that'd be insane..
PG - Billups
SG - Lee
SF - Carmelo
PF - Scola
C - Yao
6th Man - JR Smith
Lowry, Miller, Budinger, Hayes, Patterson, & Taylor off the bench
THAT'D BE SICK!
& the deal also saves 21 Million for Nugs
He's losing it then. That's a TERRIBLE deal for Denver. You can get more moving Melo and Billups seperately.
I don't know why Denver would want Kevin Martin and I don't think Houston would want JR Smith.
I have to admit, Houston does have the edge right now but hopefully New York has something up their sleaves. Also lol at Melo to the Clippers.
They don't like LA that much to suffer through that but from a talent stand point Clippers do have a lot to offer though.
I'd give up Eric Gordon for Carmelo Anthony
Since when does Melo hold any power? If Denver wants to get the best deal, its coming from LA, because MINNs #1 is worth more to a rebuilding squad than what ANY team can offer. So, if denver wants to trade Melo there, and LAs willing to risk not resigning him next year, then it should happen. Melo cant do &$#%#&@! about it, the only power he holds is to not play, and if like i said, if LAs willing to risk it, then its happening, and denver i'm sure would be salivating at the chance to get that pick.
That 2012 pick from the T-Wolves is unprotected too.
Melo holds more power than you think dwat. Teams aren't likely to give up much for a guy that says I'm not going to sign an extension with you. Imagine trading all of your young talent and draft picks for a guy that you are going to rent for one year and that's assuming he gets traded before the year starts. Maybe it's worth it, if you think that one year pushes you over the top and wins it all, but that's a big gamble to take, especially if you get nothing out of it. It's almost to the point that if you want to get the most value out of the superstar that you have to trade him while he has at least a couple of years left, but it makes your management look incompetent to get rid of a guy that's your best player for something that's probably not going to be equal value, especially if that guy isn't saying he wants out publicly. There are a lot of politics in it when it's all said and done and the one thing that is fresh on everyone's mind is what happened with Cleveland and Toronto. They ended up getting trade exceptions for star players that they will likely not use or if they do, they won't get any player comparable than they would have if they had traded the superstar.
Plus, give that squad on LAC a year(assuming the trade is Kaman, 1 or more players idc, and 2 or so picks) and thats a top 5 squad in the leauge. You've got Deandre Jordan, who given minutes is a solid C and will only get better, you've got Blake Griffin, who at his worst will be a 15 and 9 guy his career, you've got top 5 player in the leaug in melo, and you've got one of the best backcourts in the league in Davis and Gordon. I'd think if the trade goes down, LAC will win 45+ games this year, 7 or 8 seed easy, and in 1 more year, they're top 3 if not challenging the other LA team. Assuming Melo stays.
I'm thinking Denver would accept MINNs 2012, LAs 2011, Kaman, and Aminu, just because kaman's a top 5 C, and the rest our great rebuilding tools. So, even if Melo leaves, LAC isn't set back that far, they've still got Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, Davis, oh and about 25million in cap room, so they're not risking too much IMO. And for Denver, i'd rather have a gauranteed top 5 pick, an already top 5 pick, and 13mil in cap room in 2 years than what NY and Houston could offer.
with Foye, Bledsoe, Gomes, Butler, Cook and Smith
That's a good team right there. I think they could be a WCF team if they add another big man.
Hah, that'd be crazy to have a Lakers-Clippers WCF..
Staples Center every freaking game!
I don't see anybody who would trade for him unless he has signed a extension (Except maybe crazy kahn)
what type of moeny are teams going to need to match to be able to make a trade for him?
80% after the contract?
can they trade him at the currant rate? with a stipulation that he must then sign with the team, lowering the amount of salary they must take back?
NBA salary math, makes no sense when your drinking!
Every thing the Knicks would've needed to to trade for Carmelo they already gift wrapped to the Rockets prior to the trade deadline.
The best possible package in return for Anthony. If I was Denver, I would prefer to send Melo to the east, so as only to face him twice a season, but in the end, whichever team offers the best deal is where Melo will end up. It just depends which direction Nuggets management wants to go. If a salary dump is what Denver wants, they might trade Anthony to Charlotte (didn't they do something similar when they traded Camby to the Clippers?), or if a team has a particularly intriguing draft pick they are willing to offer, they may go in that direction. My gut feeling right now is Melo will be headed to either the Rockets or Clippers. Both those teams are in position to offer Denver some pretty sweet packages.
I must say I'm disappointed about how this went down. I thought Melo was better than this; but the Nuggets do seem to be stuck without any good young prospects barring Ty Lawson. The world has gone mad.
I dont think the Knicks are gonna get him, as much as i'd like it to happen, we just dont have the pieces to make the move...especially compared to those other teams in contention
Orlando would be nice, Howard & Melo on the same team would be insane. Best 2-player offense/defense punch ever.
Is Charlotte really in contention? There name has come up a few times, but they have less pieces than the Knicks
Clippers would be insane, Davis, Gordon, Melo, Griffin, wow...
If he went to the Clippers..... they would be SCARY
The Timberwolves? I don't know how possible that is, but being a Syracuse fan... that is just awesome.
Also, the Nets are a big time sleeper team, they have some assets despite there more than dissapointing off-season
Dont count out the W's if Melo agrees to an extension before hand to do the trade. We can give them Andris who they have expressed tons of interest in and lots of salary dumo money with Vlad and Gazduric. Hell throw in BW for poops and giggles
Is GS willing to throw picks in as well?
I think it'd be a stretch, they'd need a little extra in the trade
Ok but seriously, I don't see the Knicks as contenders even if they get Melo this year. They still need to add a defensive minded big and they will likely have to give up Gallinari, which is a shame cause I think that kid has potential.
If he goes to the Rockets they have everything they need to challenge the Lakers in the West and a defensive specialist in Battier to try and contain Wade or Lebron, plus they'll have a huge advantage at the C spot with Yao; that said you'd have to see them giving up a fair bit. Budinger, Lowry, Kevin Martin and probably Jordan Hill.
Whatever team ends up with Melo, don't be surprised if they are forced to pick up JR too.
I see alot of trade including J.R Smith but after his latest incident I doubt any team would touch him.
Clippers that won't happen unless he wants to live in L.A. doubtful but who knows.
Houston, NY, Orlando, Charlotte all in the mix.
Rockets seems to have the inside track becaz they have the most pieces.
Its up to him where he wants to play rite now.
Charlotte has Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson, Tyrus Thomas and expirings in Dampier and Nazr Mohammed.
Just not sure if he wants to win anytime soon why he would want to play in Charlotte.
I don't see what the Magic have to offer, Vince Carter really what value does he have now?
Except for being a contending team, best they can offer is Gortat, Pieturs and Bass or Reddick.
If he want to play next to Dwight Howard then it would probably be a bigger trade with Kmart or Smith coming.
As a Knicks fan I'd love to get Mello but I wouldn't give up the farm that means a package of Gallo, Randolph, Douglas and 1st rounders. Also that wouldn't work cap wise Mello makes 17 mill and the Knicks are only 2 mill under the cap need to give Denver 15 million in salary back. Means any deal would probly involve Eddy Curry's 11.3 mill. salary then maybe Gallo, Chandler.
Looks like its between the Rockets and Knicks rite now.
Knicks not a contender with Mello, 2 guys top 5 at their position make you a contender, the wild card is Randolph & Felton.
I only agree that their not elite but who else do you think they need to add.
Kobe, Dwight Howard, Dirk, Deron Williams those guys aren't available?
I don't think you realize how much of an improvement Felton is over Duhon last year.
Duhon would go through long shooting slumps where he couldn't even make a shot
Lets say Gallo, Chandler are traded with Curry and a future 1st for Mello.
At SG if Mason at 38% and Azubuike 41% on 3 pointers continue to shoot near that they should be oka
SF Mello/Bill Walker/Fields
Compare to some other teams
Rose/Watson Edge Bulls
Brewer/Korver/Bogans Edge Even
Deng/ Johnson Edge Knicks
Boozer/Gibson Edge Knicks
Noah/K. Thomas/Asik Edge Bulls
Jennings/Dooling/ Boykins Edge Bucks
Salmons/Delfino/Redd Edge Bucks
Maggette/Mba moute Edge Knicks
Gooden/ILyasova/Sanders Edge Knicks
Bogut/ Prezbec Edge Bucks
Bibby/Teague Edge Knicks
Marvin Williams/Evans Edge Knicks
Smith/Powell Edge Knicks
Horford/Paculia/Collins Edge Hawks
Nelson/Williams/Duhon Edge Magic
Carter/Reddick Edge Magic
Pietrus/QRich/Andnerson Edge Knicks
Lewis/Bass/Orton Edge Knicks
Howard/Gortat Edge Magic
Rondo/Nate/Lafayette Edge Celtics
Allen/Wafer/Bradley Edge Celtics
Pierce/Danels/Harongody Edge Knicks
KG/Davis Edge Knicks
Shaq/Perkins/Jermaine Edge Celtics
Chalmer/Arroyo/House Edge Knicks
Wade/Jones Edge Heat
Lebron/Miller Edge Heat
Bosh/Haslem/Howard/Vernado Edge Knicks
Anthony/Magloire/Big Z/Pittman Edge Heat
Augustin/Livingston Edge Knicks
Jackson/Graham/Henderson Edge Bobcats
Wallace/Carroll/McGuire Edge Knicks
TT/Diaw/Najera Edge Knicks
Dampier/Nazr/Diop/Brown Edge Bobcats
ny is completly out of it
ik the non ny base here hates ny but common really
gallo and randolf
if they offer that with chandler and douglass
they knicks r in the mix
i would much rather use our young talent in getting an elite point gaurd such as cp3
instead of melo
dont see him signing an extention there
wat will the starting lineup look like this year if they do get him
and murphy isnt even a center
if he get traded to nj wudnt it be smarter going to orlando ny or houston
with linups of
Your crazy no way Knicks r giving up Chandler, Douglas, Gallo and Randolph
I would never give up all that for Mello.
No team is giving up anything close to that even Houston.
Melo been married for less then a month already whipped
we have the pieces to get him
but i rather use those pieces and get a cp3 or maybe a deron williams if utah is having a bad year
Does Melo realize, that after Houston guts their team to get him, he would be in a worse situation than in Denver. Especially after Yao goes down with an injury?
If World Wide Wes can trigger a trade then Word Wide Wes can trigger a trade to New York, they are by no means out of it.