Melo To Sixers...Why The NJ Trade Fell Thru,,,And Denver Trying To Talk Melo Into Coming To Philly
The sources saying Iguadola was involved for a trade involving Carmelo Anthony were so far off. Doug Collins knows if he was to get Anthony it means win now, which also means keeping Iggy. Plus Iggy has proven he is a not the first option, but a second fiddle who would thrive playing alongside a SuperStar.
The Deal Rod Thorn propsed to the Denver was this:
Evan Turner, Thad Young, Jason Kapono (expiring contract), future draft considerations.
That would enable Philly to pair one of the best scoring wings in the league, with one of the best defensive and most versatile wings. It also puts Melo on a team with a young PG who is already proving himself to be one of the better on ball defenders in the league, and is a pass first glory for the team type PG. Melo also would love the fact playing with Elton Brand, who despite his huge contract, is still a better low post scorer then anybody the Nuggets have had since Melo played there. Check the stats. And Speights and Hawes who show a ton of promise are only 22, and at the very worse will average more points then Kenyon Martin.
Melo and Iggy are a match made in heaven on the wing. Iggy is not Scottie Pippen, but Melo isn't Jordan either, but Iggy would thrive in a Pippen like role alongside Melo doing his best Jordan impression under who else but Jordan and Pippen's former coach, DOUG COLLINS.
Denver gets Evan Turner who would thrive in a rebuilding situation allowing him to have the ball in his hands more then he would in Philly, and leaving his imprint on that organization. And Thad Young who still has gobs of potential would come in and fill the void at SF left by Melo. At the very worse Young is good for 17 points a game this year on a rebuilding team.
Denver now has Ty Lawson, Evan Turner, and Thad Young to build around and suddenly the future looks bright again.
Denver by all accounts stalled the Jersey trade because they weren't satisfied receiving basically just Derrick Favors, and a few future picks back for Melo. They want a player that will come in and lead and eventually take on the leadership role of the organization something they don't think Favors is capable of. Turner is tho.
Philly makes a lot of sense for Melo if he can just get out of his Empire State of Mind. The Flyers went to the Stanley Cup last year and seemed primed for another run. The Phillies have made it to the last 2 World Series, winning one, and have just clinched home field advantage throughout the playoffs paving the way for another World Series run. And the Eagles are always one of the more successful teams in the NFL and are making headlines this year with the Mike Vick back and are currently leading their division.
The weakest link in Philly right now is the Sixers. And with a rich basketball tradition that goes back to the start of the league, all the way up till Allen Iverson took the league and the world by storm and became an international celebrity there is no reason for Carmelo Anthony not to want to come here and put his name on this organization.
With Lou Williams, Speights, Nocioni, Meeks, Songaila off the bench the Sixers have a nice combination of youth and veteran leadership primed for not only a playoff run this year with Melo but the potential for future growth.
It's a win-win for both organizations now only if the Nuggets can get Melo to agree. The Sixers easily have the best offer on the table and the deal won't have to include other teams which is another huge plus.
Oh I forgot to mention who is pulling the strings for the Sixers now, none other then Rod Thorn. Rod Thorn has a history of bring stars into his organization. Not only was he the famous Bulls GM who finally pulled the ticket to draft Jordan in 84. But during his tenure with the Nets the team was always loaded with star power from Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, all the way down to Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles, And Kenyon Martin when he was in all star form.
Thorn knows the value of having one of the better players in the league and will not let an opportunity to get one slip thru his fingers. It is no coincidence that the same day the Sixers put their offer on the table is the same day the NJ trade was suppose to go thru, last Friday.
If the Nuggets were able to get Turner, and Young, plus 7 million in salary cap relief with Jason Kapono, that would go down as one of the better trades involving a team giving away their superstar. When was the last time a team traded their star player and actually got back good value for them. It would have to be Minny and the KG trade.
The Sonics essentially traded Ray Allen for Jeff Green
The Raptors and Cavs pretty much got nothing but trade exceptions, and it goes on down the list with teams getting gypted out of their star players.
The Sixers got back Andre Miller and the 12th and 20th picks in the draft which turned into Thad Young and Jason Smith. But that Thad Young pick came extremely close to being Julian Wright or Al Thornton instead. And all Andre Miller did was take the Sixers out of the Oden-Durant sweepstakes that year.
Does anybody else feel like not only is the best trade scenario for the Nuggets, but with Melo in fold the Sixers would have a better roster then the Knicks, and would be better then New Jersey because we match up at every position except we would have a true go to scorer and star something NJ still don't have.
Another positive is it's going to be easier to win in the East then it is in the West. Sure the East now have the Heat, but position 2 thru 9 in the West are like a toss up.
This would make the Sixers like the 5th best team in the East. The 6th at Worse. And the 4th as best with only Miami, Boston, and Orlando having a definite better team.
The Sixers match up about with the Heat about as well as team not named Boston and Orlando.
How do I figure?
We got the athletes plus a developing lockdown defender in Holiday, and proven elite defender in Iggy. They're both good matchups for Wade and James is there is any. And Bosh is the X-factore. Speights has the size and athleticism to match up with him, and Brand got the veteran savvy to do it.
But this is the NBA and it's very hard to say anybody matches up with anybody because of the rules.
Turner,Thad,7 Million in Expiring Cash and future picks(Not this year or next years I pray, we need a young shot blocking center...)...The Nuggets get the # 2 pick and a good starting Sf who may be become the next Rip Hamilton/Tayshaun Prince next to Billups in denver...The 7 Million in cap relief from Kapono plus Kenyon Coming off the books may be the best assest of all...They can than resign JR and Kenyon(for the MLE) and go after another Big man or Sf...They'll be deeper than they were with Melo and Billups resigning for a Home Town Discount, This can save them from luxary tax and a total rebuild...Karl is too old and great for a complete rebuild...but a young core of Lawson,Turner,Young,JR,Birdman,Balkman with Harrington,Martin and Nene on board this year and next...Billups makes them a playoff team and a contender if they turned K-Mart and Kapono's expiring cash for a great big...I love this deal for both teams...If the Nuggets rebuild they'll have the best young rebuilding pieces in recent history...Billups to me becomes the key in Denver...If he's there to run the show they can and will play very well and be in the playoff hunt out West...if they move Billups after Melo than they'll have an off year and get a lotto pick this year and next...they still wont be the worst team in the league...Lawson and Turner are winners...Thad is a stud...Birdman can still block shots and energize the team...JR is a hire gun and resigning him would help the Nuggets replace the scoring they lose with Melo gone but he's a guy I want in Philly behind Iggy...Martin and Kapono equal over 15 million plus in expiring cash...dumping Billups would equal another 10...that's alot a money to take into Free agency next year and the year after when Harrington and Nene expire too...The Nuggets have the best deal in place with Philly...Now Carmelo has to say yes to the Sixers and playing for the craziest fans on the planet...But Melo,Iggy,Holiday and Co will be top 4 team in the East this year...and with another year and a few pieces( Defensive Center and Back Up Shooting Guard) this Team can contend...If Hawes and Speights play up to their abilities and Brand is Healthy, a defensive big man and young scorer of the Bench(JR Smith anyone, I would lose my mind if we got Him in the Deal...Affalo is there to back up Turner so why not dump JR if your Carl...???)...I'd love to get a great shot blocker in the draft or FA after this deal...This team would be great...
Brand-Speights(I'd start M16 over brand to preserve Brand and match up size wise...)
Hawes-(Tyson Chandler type FA signing or a rookie Shot Blocking Big)
That team matches up well with any team if they play to their potential(Holiday,Speights and Hawes)
This is truly a win-win for both organizations. I think Billy King hinted that is was a showstopper saying other deals came along that Denver wanted to review further.
Turner and Young with Kapono's expiring contract are no doubt the best assets they can get back regardless of what the picks are.
Not only that Philly is a perfect situation for Melo. It is located directly in between his birth place New York, and where he was raised Baltimore. He can get to both places by driving on 95 for like an hour.
And Philly fits his lifestyle more then Denver would.
We should even complete the trade by bringing A.I. back just for the hell of it he can still contribute anyway. That will make Melo even more comfortable. In fact we should have A.I. calling Melo right now trying to talk him into coming to Philly. This city turned Iverson into an international celebrity, it will only increase Melo's celebrity and his effin Q rating.
Suddenly the Dalembert trade is looking like the wrong move who would of thought.
I wanted to keep all the post on one thread and DYLANHOU posted this on the other thread.
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Ive been following all the Melo trade rumors for the last couple of days and reading any scrap i could get on it and this new one about philly is the best situation by 100 miles for both sides. so this is my in depth analysis of the whole scenario. NY is basically out of the question because they have no team at all theres no opportunity for success there it would be melo amare galo (pretty good but same position as melo) and 5 or 6 holes in a rotation. Jrue holiday is way way better than either a nj or ny point guard. evan turner at the 2 is a huge bust, he is really overrated so i would be glad to see him go that only adds to the strength of the potential philly team. morrow looks to be nice off the bench for nj as a gunner but jody meeks has that same kind of potential. Igoudalla is underrated and someone in a comment above hit it right on the head he is a defender and so versatile. and hes a big 2 so just athletically he would have an advantage. the one thing i would hate to see happen in this trade is for thaddeus young to go. he plays a huge role on this team and style wise is perfect for them as 4 or a 3 giving them basically or big or a small lineup whichever way they want to go with melo or ig at a 2 and thad at the 3 or ig and melo as the 2,3 and thad at the 4. Young's can be a mismatch nightmare if the melo deal goes down. honestly i would rather see igoudala go than young because his slack could be picked up easier by the rest of the team. But this trade either way would make a powerful sixers squad ( and for any rap fans melo has the cassidy connect in philly idk if anybody has mentioned that as leverage ). Overall though nj and philly's interiors are fairly even they are both kind of a young, unknown, not flashy or superstar type but solid go to work players. brooke has a slight edge but nothing that significant and he's really nj's only edge over philly 1 through 15. and everyone has been overrrating him as top 5.... what about joakim noah, al horford, dwight howard, tim duncan (depending what you consider him), and gasol and stoudamire as a tweener centers. maybe kendrick perkins. Also I would love to argue with anybody talking about melo as a top ?10? player and unproven and not a winner or a takeover talent. hes great. But overally philly is the top option for melo considering all the factors i dont think that there's any way he could do better than this except the chris paul lottery ticket
I agree with everything you said except Turner will not be a bust the Sixers just don't need his skill set with the emergence of Jrue Holiday.
I am glad somebody is finally giving Jodie Meeks props because he is going to be a very good bench player. The guy is a lights out shooter, and he is a very quick athlete who can defend well, and is super slick coming off screens. He played really well for us at the end of the season last year and even better in the summer league. He will contribute this year.
I dont want to see Thad go either but if Melo is coming to town no way do I want Iggy to go anywhere Doug Collins is the perfect coach to get the max out of Iggy and Melo playing together like I said before he put in the blueprint for Pippen and Jordan to have great success together.
youre right turner maybe isnt such a bust but i have anamosity toward him lol since they didnt take say a derrick favors or a greg monroe who would have fit much better with the team. to me. im always in strong favor of team fit over best pick when it comes to drafting. or they could have even traded down and got a jordan crawford to fill a scoring void at the 2 as good as turner does plus a little extra. and yeah Meeks is on the rise for sure i liked him on the bucks idk why they let him go everybody saw in college the kind of streak he can get on he just has to get comfortable in a role and he'll be a steal for the sixers. and the pippen jordan is a good point you cant argue with having igoudalla i just hope they dont let thad slip into the trade because keeping thad and ig both takes the team to a whole nother level up than if they only have 1 or the other. maybe give draft picks or lou williams instead. i like throwing jr smith in also if philly does have to let some bigger names go
Weird because I am still mad that the Sixers didn't take Cousins instead of Turner so I am hoping that Turner will alleviate those regrets. I think he can.
I was in favor of trading the 2nd pick for the 4th and 16th in hopes that we could get both Cousins and Henry/Babbitt. I really think Henry would of been a great fit on this team and will be a very good player.
I would trade Turner and Thad still in a heartbeat for Melo because he is that Elite scorer we have lacked since A.I. plus he will make the Sixers an important team again in the League.
yeah true cousins would have been nice too. that young stud pf were both talking about would have given them great ability to matchup to the main powers in the east like you were saying above. I cant stand picking potential or individual talent over fit and the 6ers are 1 of the few teams that are acutally TEAMS anymore in the nba i thought they would have done better they really messed up with turner in my opinion. like i said they are a complete team with several players who play a role and not just stocked up payrolls and star power. thats why i like them. theyre a team that values its players as players and people not stats and a team that even with a disadvantage at every single position individually could still compete to win a game. i would say now in the nba the only real teams left are the bulls, bucks, thunder, 6ers, suns, spurs, and jazz. everyone else has either tried to buy star power or hasnt had the ability to but would have in a heartbeat
dang somebody just came in this thread and just took took everybody's points off without even saying what they disagree with.
Gotta love it.
This is still interesting tho because the Knicks think that Melo is just going to play the year out and sign with them leaving Denver with nothing.
But the Nuggets know that Melo is leaving and you can bet they don't wanna just let him walk away without getting anything so he will be traded before the deadline.
Rod Thorn, NBA.com reported, has a vision for the Sixers and it involves Melo. While Carmelo coming to Philly is still highly unlikely it's not unreasonable and is still the best offer the Nuggets have gotten thus far.
Melo and JR( they gotta get him from the Nuggets) for Evan Turner , Thad Young , Jason Kapono and picks in 2012 and 2013(2011 has be untoucable,We need a young shot blocker) is the best deal the Nuggets are going get before the deadline and if the Sixers are playing well at that point we're keeping Turner and Thad and letting Kapono walk...the Sixers can go either way with it...Try to get a Star or build your team through the draft( it's been working IMO) we have been drafting awesome in the last few years and belienve we'll find a few studs in next years draft Too...we can let the young guys play this year, get a lottery pick and package that pick and one of young players for a top 3 to 5 pick and go for broke...I think Perry Jones and Brandon Knight are two guys I would want In Philadelphia...If Jones is a KD/KG/DG type of player I'd trade Iguadola for the pick that can get him...If Brandon Knight is this Jet/AI type I'd trade Lou Will and our pick (12 to 16)
Actually for the Sixers sake i think Knight plays too much like Holiday without his court vision and defense. And if the Sixers were to go that route Josh Shelby is my favorite fit for us cuz he can legitimitly play SG IMO. It's gonna be interesting to see their measurements but I bet Shelby got like a 6'9 wingspan.
But next years draft if we go for broke we have to get Kanter or Jones.
I like Jones cuz we can mold him into playing any position we want and he's the shot blocker we need also. And kanter would give us that low post scoring threat that Brand don't do enough of. b
But don't sleep on Elton this year. He's been really impressive thus far in training camp. I look for him to put up 15 and 8 this this year with a block and a steal thrown in. That's 2 rebounds short of Al Horford numbers.
Rod Thorn has got to get this trade done. Idc if he has to throw in Lou, M16, or Hawes to get this deal done.
That lineup can compete with any team in the league and will also be good for years to come.
No all the Nuggets want and need is Evan Turner, Thad Young, and Jason Kapono's expiring contract. If we were able to get them to throw in JR. too then that makes us a legitimate threat in the East. Iggy and Melo would form one of the best Wing tandems the league has saw in a long time.
I feel like we can upgrade that 6th man Combo guard role that Lou plays for Cheaper...save that 5 million in Cap and get a great young scorer with more potential to replace him ...any team in the top 10 to 12 range will be looking at a Calipari Pg that can be a Star caliber scorer but would deal for an established Pg in Lou Williams and a pick just a few spots down to fill another position of need...
now As far as Perry Jones goes...If he can become a Garnett type Sf/Pf/C...really KG could have played any position...Perry has a great handle and just looks the part of a big time player in the NBA IMO...But i do believe he may be a sleeper pick Because he's at Baylor and they don't get much pub...If Jones has a sub par season he'll slip and maybe we won't have to trade for him...But if he has a Beasley type of season and just dominates the highlight reels and put up anywhere close to 20 points 7 rebs 4 assists and a few blks and steals he'll be top 5 pick and maybe even go # 1...If I had the number # 1 pick I'd seriously think about drafting this guy...And then I'd see where Kanter ranks in GM's mind's and see if Iggy or Turner can get me him too...
Holiday + Jones = a Westbrook/Durant type combo IMO...They can be a young Glove/Big Ticket combo...At some point we'll have to get a Center and with Jones on board I'd think about trading Iggy or Thad for good big...I think Iggy could get us a young center and Shooter...to be honest we should have been pushing for Iggy for the Wolves 4th and 16th picks...If they loved Turner that much i think they would have loved Iggy as much too...Iggy for the picks the Clippers own in this years draft would be a great trade IMO...They'll have pick 16 to 24 and they own the Wolves pick( That's a high lotto pick possibly) They'd get a Star Sf that would fit perfect next to Griffin and Gordon...Baron and Kaman are All Star level players too and they all would work well with a guy like Iguadola...let's face it they ain't getting a Melo through trade, why not get a guy The Nuggets would like to trade Melo for...