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Mcgee vs Ibaka. Even right now but what about the future?????

Hmmmm interesting question. Both but up similar stats. Ibaka is younger and is just as athletic and put up his numbers in his rookie year last season in the west on a playoff team. Who's gonna end up being better

Honest answers meaning don't pick mcgee because you seen him more this summer and watched him in the summer leauge against inferior comp.  I'm sure mcgee will put up better numbers since he has less comp to start. Personally I'm
Not sure who will be better. Both look to have very high upsides. Mcgee is taller and bigger older, with the extra year of NBA experience 

Ibaka is younger with a much better jumper 


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Ibeka without a doubt. He

Ibeka without a doubt. He can score better and is stronger then McGee. I know McGee put on weight and got huge arms but his lower body strength still aint no comparison's to Ibeka's. Ibeka is ripped throughout his body and got tree trunk thighs. He has a high skill level already and is doing it on a great team.

I think McGee will be very good too and may even put up better numbers because of his situation but I would take Serge before him.

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McGee is taller and longer

McGee is taller and longer and also McGee actually has post moves but until he gain weight or get stronger he may not be able to utilize them as much

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Mcgee has like two post

Mcgee has like two post moves. He's very limited in the post so that's not a real upper hand. Neither have alot of mouo

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It's hard to say who'll be

It's hard to say who'll be the better player. They're somewhat similar.

I disagree with Ibaka already having a high skill level. He's improved, but he's still very raw. The same goes for McGee. Based on what I've seen, McGee is the more raw of the two. Neither player has a high offensive IQ, but Ibaka looks more comfortable at that end in my opinion.

I'd go with Ibaka. Not only does he look more comfortable on offense, he's also a better defender. He holds his ground and defends his on man better than McGee, while also being a good weakside shot blocker/help defender.

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I meant to say Ibeka got a

I meant to say Ibeka got a high skill level compare to McGee for them both being raw big men. If you watch Ibeka he has an obvious good basketball I.Q...He knows what to do with the basketball and rarely hesitates like McGee will do. McGee looks lost when he gets the ball on the lost post despite have the size to score at will.

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gotta go with lbaka

i would say lbaka is better... hes a great defender, he is strong athletic with very quick ups... and has played well in the big games that he has been in from what i have seen... mcgee is good though... but he and lbaka to me are even in there offencive part of the game... lbaka got a better jumper but mcgee can score a bit in the post and always gets dunks from running... but just lbaka's potenial as a lock down post defender with his added strength and athleticism make him the better pick

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McGee can do more post moves

McGee can do more post moves then he has shown in games. I am not sure about Ibaka but McGee is better in the post then people will give credit but he is too small to work in the low post right now.

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McGee has a nice series of

McGee has a nice series of counter moves, and as he continues to get stronger he should be an impact player offensively down low with his post game. He already has a nice amount of jump hooks that are unblockable at his size and length, and a turnaround jumper that gets better every year. I think McGee will pass Ibaka, after Ibaka clearly had more of an impact than him last year. And I think it'll come this season. I don't see Ibaka getting that much better than he is right now offensively, especially at the pace McGee looks like he will/has.

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I think McGee will have the

I think McGee will have the better career. He looks very good with Wall and will get a lot of playtime, he's gotten alot stronger also.

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McGee's pure position to me

McGee's pure position to me seems like its face up PF. But he will be a good center but once his skills develop and he gets comfortable on offense he will be more of a face up player then a bang down the block center. And I don't know how much stronger McGee is going to get he is like 250 right now.

Ibeka I think will always be the more valuable player. Serge is younger then McGee and knows how to play the game better. Plus I think Ibeka is the better rebounder while McGee is the better shot blocker. But Ibeka can get you 2 blocks a game anyway.

This is a good comparison tho. I think Ibeka should start at Center for the Thunder and eventually be their starting PF. Jeff Green is best suited as a small forward so with Durant on that team he may be better coming off the bench. He doesn't get enough rebounds or blocked shots for me to play power forward. But Green is not undersized and does have the height and strength to play power forward along with a few post moves his game is still best suited for the Small Forward position.

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If Aldrich progresses and

If Aldrich progresses and becomes an elite level defender (nothing will be asked from him offensivly), then a frontline of Ibaka and Aldrich will arguably be the best defensive frontline in the NBA. I'll be real happy if this happens, cause Oklahoma's frontline (Green and Kristic) currently gets abused by everyone

HOwever to me McGee has all-star potential, while I don't see that in Ibaka, although Ibaka will almost certainly be a good servicable player while McGee might never reach his expectations.

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I don't know how you can say

I don't know how you can say McGee has All Star potential and think that Ibeka doesn't. And what funny is Ibeka was suppose to be the rawer talent. He didn't start playing organized basketball untill he was 18. Ibeka is younger and had a better rookie season then Mcgee's sophomore season.

Ibeka was the youngest player to record 7 blocks in a playoff game and he did it against the Lakers of all teams.

Everybody is so hype over McGee because of his summer league. Ibeka only played one summer league game because he had nothing to prove to Presti, Sam already knows what Ibeka can do. McGee hasn't really been lighten it up in the preseason.

And another reason people think McGee is going to be great is because of his physical profile. He got a 7'7 wingspan very mobile.

But Ibeka got a 7'4 wingspan. Is even more athletic. And if anybody wants to see some impressive stuff look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-6opHOfJJE

Ibeka has atleast a 42" vertical. I say atleast beause during the combine he jumped over the measuring pole which only goes up to 42". Im serious its towards the end of the video.

With all that said Ibeka I feel actually has a higher ceiling because he developing faster. McGee didn't get any better from his rookie to his freshman season. Or from college for that matter until this past summer league but he hasn't even been able to play well in the preseason. I just don't think he has that "it"

Ibeka has that "it". He is a jaw dropping physical specimen.

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I don't know how you can say

I don't know how you can say McGee has All Star potential and think that Ibeka doesn't. And what funny is Ibeka was suppose to be the rawer talent. He didn't start playing organized basketball untill he was 18. Ibeka is younger and had a better rookie season then Mcgee's sophomore season.

Ibeka was the youngest player to record 7 blocks in a playoff game and he did it against the Lakers of all teams.

Everybody is so hype over McGee because of his summer league. Ibeka only played one summer league game because he had nothing to prove to Presti, Sam already knows what Ibeka can do. McGee hasn't really been lighten it up in the preseason.

And another reason people think McGee is going to be great is because of his physical profile. He got a 7'7 wingspan very mobile.

But Ibeka got a 7'4 wingspan. Is even more athletic. And if anybody wants to see some impressive stuff look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-6opHOfJJE

Ibeka has atleast a 42" vertical. I say atleast beause during the combine he jumped over the measuring pole which only goes up to 42". Im serious its towards the end of the video.

With all that said Ibeka I feel actually has a higher ceiling because he developing faster. McGee didn't get any better from his rookie to his freshman season. Or from college for that matter until this past summer league but he hasn't even been able to play well in the preseason. I just don't think he has that "it"

Ibeka has that "it". He is a jaw dropping physical specimen.

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Wanna know what's ironic

Wanna know what's ironic about those leaping numbers, and the fact that you put up that INCREDIBLY misleading stat about Ibaka setting a playoff block record? The fact that McGee had .4 more bpg than Ibaka despite playing 2 mpg less than Ibaka did.

You were basically blowing McGee in this thread (http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/what-are-you-expecting-gilbert-arenas-season) and now "Everybody is so hype over McGee because of his summer league. Ibeka only played one summer league game because he had nothing to prove to Presti, Sam already knows what Ibeka can do. McGee hasn't really been lighten it up in the preseason"? Really?

Also, Ibaka played 1 Summer League game and left early because he sprained his ankle sir. Not because a 6 ppg, 5 rpg, 1 bpg, 3 foul a game player is above the Summer League and "had nothing to prove to Sam Presti." If he wants to take on a bigger role offensively, he had some stuff to prove to Mr.Presti. Because he's not very good or polished offensively right now, if you haven't noticed.

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I'm sorry guys, it seems to

I'm sorry guys, it seems to me anyone drooling over Ibaka right now is drooling over a 21 year old Samuel Dalembert. I think Ibaka will be a fine role playing center and eventual starter, but I saw nothing in his game last year that made me think potential all-star. A guy who could be in the top 5 in bpg and great addition to a team, sure, but to assume someone is going to go from a guy who dunks and put backs shots into a capable offensive player? my experience watching the game makes me think otherwise. Some guys improve vastly, but most guys, especially big men who can block shots and rebound well, kinda just stick to what their good at and hope to add a decent hook or 8-10 foot jumper so when they do get the ball when their the 5th option on the floor they'll be a little more efficient.

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What u said Joe can apply to

What u said Joe can apply to both players. Neither has set the world on fire and neither has shown anything to indicate that they have all star talent because both are average to below average in skill level. Both are great athletes and if u take that away from either then they are struggling to make a team.  Both should have good careers as defensive stand outs but neither will be a first,second,third offense of option on a good team

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Ibeka did it in the PLAYOFFS

Ibeka did it in the PLAYOFFS AGAINST THE LAKERS.Thats a bigger deal then playing garbage time on a terrible team which McGee couldn't even do. McGee couldn't get more then 17 minutes on one of the worse teams in the league and could'nt even inflate his stats doing that.

Ibeka did it one one of the top ten teams in the League. As you know there is a huge difference between putting up stats on a playoff team then one of the top 5 worse teams in the league.

If you have read anything about Ibeka's history you will know that his development has been a rapid one since his first time playing organized basketball.

McGee will get a lot of blocks and rebounds this year. I suspsect he can average a double double.

But Ibeka will be making more important plays in more important games bottom line.

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1 great shot-blocking game.

1 great shot-blocking game. McGee averaged more blocks than him though, and he did it in less time a game. That has to count for something. It's not like scoring or assists, or even rebounds, where his blocks wouldn't transfer playing on a winning team. McGee probably would've put up the same amount of blocks or more that he got in Washington if he and Ibaka switched places.

"Ibeka did it one one of the top ten teams in the League. As you know there is a huge difference between putting up stats on a playoff team then one of the top 5 worse teams in the league."

Ibaka did what exactly? Averaged the 6 ppg, 5 rpg, 3 fouls and a block in 18 mpg? I'm sure McGee would've done the same thing in a similar situation as Ibaka was in. It's not like he was setting the world on fire last year man. Him and McGee were probably the exact same level player last season, with Ibaka maybe being extremely slightly better than him. Let's not make it like Ibaka is just head and shoulders better than him

I hear about all kinds of players getting better and how they start playing basketball when they are teenagers. That's all nice and all, but Ibaka won't ever be more than a 4th or ideally 5th option whenever he takes the court. McGee can be a 3th or 4th option down the line.

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"extremely slightly better"-

"extremely slightly better"- What does that mean???

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LMAO^^^^^^^^ No shot blocks

LMAO^^^^^^^^

No shot blocks don't translate do you know why?

Because the Thunder has two of the best perimeter defenders in the league with Westbrook and Thabo denying penetration to the rim. There Ibaka didn't get as many opportunities to eat shots up. When he did get the chance in the playoffs against the reigning champs he did just that. Ibaka did a fanstastic job on defense last year in the playoffs and he wasn't even suppose to be ready for the league yet.

My point is Ibaka has a lot more untapped potential then McGee. I think McGee possibly may have more potential but Ibaka is more likely to reach the potential he has then McGee is. Do not confuse Ibaka with somebody like Saer Sene because he is a much different player. Ibaka is even more of a freak athlete then McGee is too. And playing and practicing alongside somebody like Durant who has made his whole team better will be the difference.

Ibaka will be one of the better defensive bigs in this league for years to come. I can promise you he will be. McGee will be a good shot blocker and rebounder but overall team defense and on ball defense I'm not so sure.

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McGee and Ibaka are almost

McGee and Ibaka are almost the same player right now. Athletic, foul prone and developing post moves.

McGee next season should be a 12-8 guy with maybe 1.5 blocks. He's good but if they don't run, I don't see him being super effective because he has below average post moves.

Ibaka should average like 13 and 6. I say 6 rebounds but it could go to as high as 8 if Durant doesn't step up as a rebounder and/or Aldrich doesn't start as the great rebounder we expect. Ibaka could develop a little hook shot and he'd be good. He has all the tools like McGee to be really good next season.

IMO, I'm taking Ibaka but McGee is not that far off.

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Ibaka is in my mind a PF but

Ibaka is in my mind a PF but with Jeff Green in that role then he has to play from the bench as Durant is their franchise SF, also with Kristic and now Aldrich on the roster then the Thunder haven't really considered Ibaka yet as a long term C option. Also he may not yet have the bulk to play C against some of the bigger Western C's.

McGee has been pushed into the starting C role at Washington when they traded Haywood so will have to learn on the job, with their current roster and with Coach Saunders almost fielding a Nellieball type team with 3 guards starting then McGee will not need to contribute much on offence but his defence will be key. McGee might be considered for a PF role but the current situation requires him to play mainly at C.

Due to their current situations, I could see McGee developing more quickly but longer term I still consider Ibaka to be a more intriguing prospect who could give a team more flexability.

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I think McGee will have

I think McGee will have better season averages, not blowing off Ibaka, it's just that Ibaka I think will just get less time. McGee is a sure starter with really no competition at the C spot, while Ibaka is more of a PF?C with Kristic and Green in front of him + Aldrich getting some minutes too. Maybe even Mullens could show up at some point in the season, what if he's really progressed?

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McGee I think will have

McGee I think will have better production this year and his game does scream PF but he has too much length not to play center.

Ibaka will make better plays this year tho playing on the Thunder and I think he will eventually surpass Aldrich and Krstic this year to start at center for them. He has more then enough strength to play Center the guy is built like a rock. He is in fact stronger then both Krstic and Aldrich and probably any other player on the Thunders roster.

Ibaka's improvement since he has entered the league has been baffling. He has gotten so much better so quickly it's easy to see that he just has that "it" that make some players better then others.

Read these 2 quick articles about Ibaka and Thunder coach Scott Brooks:

http://www.interbasket.net/news/6777/2010/05/serge-ibaka-shades-of-dwight-howard/

http://www.dailythunder.com/2010/05/necessary-development-harden-ibaka-maynor/

Ibaka's development has been astonishing and his potential as a player seems to be unlimited.

Scott Brooks said it's funny there are guys who play aau ball their whole life and this guy just started playing organized basketball a few years ago but has a higher skill level, instincts, and basketball I.Q. then those players and he cant even speak English yet.

Seriously Look at this guy Look at Serge Ibaka the same guy who jumped over the 42" max vert measuring pole therefore nobody knows how high he really jumped, the man, the myth, the Thunder's missing link, the FREAK SERGE IBAKA

www.dailythunder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Picture-11.png

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"Extremely slightly better"

"Extremely slightly better" means exactly what it looks like.

I would hope that you would know that not all shot-blocking chances come from perimeter penetration. McGee would've gotten the same 1.3 bpg playing the same minutes Ibaka was playing at least. Ibaka isn't a better shot-blocker than him.

All Ibaka is is a shot-blocker and decent rebounder who can might at most 11 or 12 ppg, and that is his ceiling. Just because he can jump high and isn't talented as a scorer right doesn't mean he has a bunch of untapped potential. He should never be more than a 4th or 5th option whenever he's on the floor. Just because he's athletic and long doesn't mean he will be an All-Star. In fact, I guarantee Ibaka will never be an All-Star player.

Ibaka also is a PF. He should never play starter time at C. Just because he plays stronger than Kristic (who is one of the softest players in the NBA) and is more ready than Cole Aldrich (who should be groomed as the C for the future for them), doesn't mean that he should play C against OTHER teams' C's.

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my 2 cents on shot blocking.

McGee averaged 1.7 blocks in only 16 mpg last year. I think it's pretty obvious who the better shot blocker is here. I think if McGee is playing starters minutes he is a guy who can contend to lead the league in blocks at around 3.0 bpg or more, I think he has Camby shot blocking potential.

Ibaka in a starters minutes I think could get close to or around 2, which also puts him at an elite shot blocking level, but shot blocking in the NBA has more to do with length than vertical leap and McGee is one of the longest players in the league with athleticism to boot.

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Considering how fast Ibaka

Considering how fast Ibaka has developed in just his one NBA season I wouldn't doubt him. The stuff Ibaka's able to do now was stuff he wasn't suppose to be able to do until 2 or 3 yrs down the line. Javale Mcgee is very talented, but watching him with the Wizards he doesn't seem to be able to create his own shot and still does not have complete confidence in his offensive game. Mcgee's been in the league for 2 yrs now going into his third year and he's just started improving and getting stronger. Ibaka improved rapidly in just 1 year of NBA basketball and has developed a pretty good mid range jumper.

Neither will likely ever be stars on offense, but I see Ibaka having a better overall career than Mcgee

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First off using the words

First off using the words extremely and slightly right after each other in a sentence is an oxymoron and it looks like you have no idea what the term "proper grammar" means. But I know you are better then that and you are usually very well spoken so I will let that slide.

And Ibaka does have an offensive game. Ibaka can take his man off the dribble with a 2 dribble drive from about 20 feet out and he also possess a solid mid range jump shot which will only get better in time. Not only that when Ibaka get's the ball he rarely hesitates with it, he has an obvious understanding of what to do with the ball in his hands. Despite being incredibly raw he knows his limits and plays within them well while his game is still expanding.

In fact, last year, per Hoop Data, Ibaka shot 49.0% 10-15 feet from the basket and 39.0% at 16-23 feet. League averages for those distances were 39.9% and 39.7%, respectively. The 20-year-old averaged 8.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 1.8 blocks after the All-Star break, which doesn't seem like much at first glance, but is simply phenomenal considering that it came in just 20.3 minutes per game. He hasn't even begun to touch on his potential as a player yet, and it's scary to think what he'll be able to do after he refines his game a bit.

February Ibaka averaged 6.7 PPG in 17 mins. March he averaged 7.3 in 20 mins. April he averaged 10 PPG in 22 Mins. That is a rapid development for a player playing on a team jockying for playoff position and his increased production can be directly correlated to The Thunder winning more games during the stretch run of the season.

And I do think Ibaka is best suited at power forward but he can also play Center equally well. Ibaka at the center position will anchor the middle of your defense and be a rim protector and rebounder. On offense keeping him close to the basket will maximize his strengths as a player which is his toughness, length, strength and leaping ability. Ibaka manned up Andrew Bynum better then any other play the Thunder have on their roster last year.

Ibaka is as long and strong as most of the center's in the league there is no reason he can't start at center. His body most closely resembles Dwight the best C in the league.

The Northwest division starting centers are Darko, Nene, Al Jefferson, and Marcus Camby. Ibaka physical profile should have no troubly bodying up any of them centers. The only center longer then him in that division is Darko but he is not an offensive threat. Neither is Nene really. And Ibaka strength and quickness will cause Al Jefferson fits on the block.

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Ibaka is not a center...

Ibaka is not a center...

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I busted up laughing because

I busted up laughing because I thought you were gonna say Ibaka was long and strong and down to get the friction on a la Baby Got Back, lol

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andxxx exactly my point and

andxxx exactly my point and Wolf Ibaka averaged 2 blocks in 6 games and 25 minutes after Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, Artest, and Odom in the playoffs. Do you really think McGee would of done that or failed out of the game trying to guard Bynum and Gasol?

I don't know how you can say it is obvious who the better shot blocker is when Ibaka was blocking shots that were important to playoff positioning and McGee was blocking shots on teams that were trying to run up the score on the Wizards.

If you look at the obvious which is their player development it's not hard to tell who will be the better player. By the end of his first year in the NBA and America Ibaka was able to show more growth as a player then McGee was in his 2 years. And I never noticed until looking at the stats how little McGee got better from his rookie year considering the Wizards traded away Haywood last year and started their young talent.

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Take a look at McGee's stats

Take a look at McGee's stats after Haywood got traded, he played more minutes and in the start of games against the other team's best players. In April, as a starter, McGee averaged 2.88 bpg in about 23 minutes per game. He averaged 2 blocks per game as a starter in about the same amount of minutes on the season. He's inconsistant, and a fouls a lot, but he is the better shot blocker of the two. He easily has 3+ bpg potential, I'm not saying he is going to be a better player, I think they will both be legit defensive centers, but I think McGee and his 12'3'' max reach is the better shot blocker, and you can look at the numbers and they tend to back that up.

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What makes Ibaka not a

What makes Ibaka not a center? The fact that he is 6'10 and too short? David Lee was an all star center last year at 6'9. The differene between a player like Bosh who is a PF and Amare who can play center is toughness. Bosh isn't tough enough to play center. Amare is more then tough enough but prefers to play PF. Ibaka is as tough as they come.

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McGee's has a higher standing

McGee's has a higher standing reach at 7'6. But is only like 3 inches longer then Ibaka's. And Ibaka has atleast an 8 inch higher vertical. Making him the player with the higher max vert reach.

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Where are you getting your

Where are you getting your Ibaka vertical and standing reach information? To my knowledge he didn't do any combine testing.

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"And Ibaka does have an

"And Ibaka does have an offensive game. Ibaka can take his man off the dribble with a 2 dribble drive from about 20 feet out and he also possess a solid mid range jump shot which will only get better in time. Not only that when Ibaka get's the ball he rarely hesitates with it, he has an obvious understanding of what to do with the ball in his hands. Despite being incredibly raw he knows his limits and plays within them well while his game is still expanding."

You insulted everyone who watches OKC plays intelligence. Ibaka doesn't possess any ability to put the ball on the floor from 20 feet out. When has Ibaka EVER played 20 feet from the rim in an NBA game? His mid-range shot is average at best. It's a skill that he has that a bunch of role playing PF's have. Him having a mediocre 15 ft shot isn't the difference between a role-player and a star. Also, you are describing Ibaka like he just set the world on fire last year. It's easy to have an "understanding of what to do with the ball in your hands" if all you have to do is score off rebounds and off-ball cuts. He was a 6 ppg scorer last year LOL. You are talking about him like he was just executing complicated post moves decisively.

"February Ibaka averaged 6.7 PPG in 17 mins. March he averaged 7.3 in 20 mins. April he averaged 10 PPG in 22 Mins. That is a rapid development for a player playing on a team jockying for playoff position and his increased production can be directly correlated to The Thunder winning more games during the stretch run of the season."

How in the hell is that rapid development? All he did was scoring a little more as he got increased time. That would happen with just about every single player in the NBA if their time increased.

"And I do think Ibaka is best suited at power forward but he can also play Center equally well. Ibaka at the center position will anchor the middle of your defense and be a rim protector and rebounder. On offense keeping him close to the basket will maximize his strengths as a player which is his toughness, length, strength and leaping ability. Ibaka manned up Andrew Bynum better then any other play the Thunder have on their roster last year."

He's not a C. He's too narrow and most C's in the NBA would get in his slight chest and he would be even more foul prone than he is right now. Just because he defended Andrew Bynum better than the defensive stalwarts that are Nenad Krstic and Nick Collison doesn't mean he should really be playing extended minutes at C. He wouldn't be as effective at C as he is at PF. Hence the reason they have tried to develop Byron Mullins, stuck with Krstic, and traded for Cole Aldrich, instead of thrusting him in the starting lineup at C.

"Ibaka is as long and strong as most of the center's in the league there is no reason he can't start at center. His body most closely resembles Dwight the best C in the league. "

SMH. You just don't get it. He's not as big or strong. Just because he's wiry strong doesn't mean his body or strength resembles Dwight Howard.

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At the Adidas Nations he did.

At the Adidas Nations he did. Look at this video I posted earlier. Ibaka friggin jumped over the vertical leap bar. so his vertical is atleast 42" It looks like it's close to 44" by how high her jumped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-6opHOfJJE

During the Adidas Nations Jonathon Givony said he was measure at having a 7'4 wingspan and 9'3 standing reach. However I can't find that link. The links I posted above all talk of his long wingspan and it's obvious by looking at the guy he has a freakish wingspan. Watching them play last year and knowing that Durant has a 7'6 wingspan when they were standing next to each other it was easy to see Ibaka's arms are no shorter then 7'3. I don't know about his standing reach tho. There is no real way to eye test that so it is what it is. But watch that video and tell me that he don't have breathe taking leaping ability.

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What makes a center height?

What makes a center height? length? strength? toughness? I see Ibaka as a PF/C, I think he could play center and at this point his game is suited to play center... I think once Ibaka as develop a little more consistent 12-15 footer then he could move to power foward (in the NBA most PF should have a decent mid range game)... He did hold his own aganist the Lakers "huge" frontline, he showed in that series that he can bang with the big boys... 6'10 235 is not exactly undersized for a 21 yeard old.. Not every center has to be 7 ft 260...

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My arguement wasn't his

My arguement wasn't his leaping ability. It was his length. JaVale McGee has a 9'6.5'' standing reach making him 2nd longest player ever tested in the history of the combine. He is easily the longest player in the league right now and length plays a great part in shot blocking.

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He's too narrow to play true

He's too narrow to play true extended time at C. He's already foul prone at PF, he would have a tough time defending C's night in and night out in the NBA. His matchups on most nights would go right into his narrow chest and create a bunch of contact, which would make him continue to be foul prone. He can play some minutes at C obviously, but 19314 said he could play C equally as well as he could play PF. Which isn't true.

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Most rookie big men tend to

Most rookie big men tend to be foul prone... I tend to think at this stage that he could be equally effective playing PF and C... He's lack of bulk or "narrow chest" might be because if his young age age, but I feel we wouldnt get a true assesment of his true position until his third or fourth year... If he does develop a consistent mid range he could be a decent PF...

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No Homo but you call this

No Homo but you call this wiry strength and a tiny chest?

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Do you even kno what Serge Ibaka looks like? He is far from skinny.

And have you ever saw him play? I remember him taking Bynum off the dribble in the playoffs for a dunk.

Look at his rookie mix there is a highlight of him taking Love off the dribble for an easy dunk.

And did you see the stats i posted Ibaka shot 50% on shots 10-15 feet out when the NBA average is 40%

If you ever read a scouting report on him it would of told you he has a developing 15 foot jumper and a developing dribble game. Well they have developed significantly in the 2 years since he's been drafted.

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No doubt McGee is plastic man

No doubt McGee is plastic man long. I know McGee has a near 7'7 standing reach. My arguement was that Ibekas is anywhere from 9'2 to 9'4 making McGee's standing reach anywhere from 5 to 3 inches longer. But when you take into account that Ibaka has a way higher vertical then McGee, Ibaka has the higher max vert reach. Meaning if they both jumped Ibaka would be able to touch higher because of his length combined with his leaping ability.

I also think McGee is a better shot blocker. But I think Ibaka get's more important blocked shots as evidenced in his Lakers series. I think Ibaka is the better "gamer" he plays with a fearlessness that if McGee played with would make him amazing. McGee is hands down the better shot blocker at this point which isn't a knock on Ibaka cuz McGee got the tools to lead the league in shot blocking. But I also think Ibaka may be the better rebounder and on ball defender.

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Why do you keep posting

Why do you keep posting pictures of him with no shirt on??

He isn't skinny, but he's narrow. Kevin Durant weighs about 230-235, but he's narrow too. You can have a narrow frame and carry 230 lbs on a 6'10 frame. That's not massive size at all. A C in the NBA would be able to get in his chest and create either fouls or establish post position on him.

"And have you ever saw him play? I remember him taking Bynum off the dribble in the playoffs for a dunk. Look at his rookie mix there is a highlight of him taking Love off the dribble for an easy dunk."

Lol. Nope I've never seen him play a moment in his life. Just talking about him.

1st off, look who you named. Andrew Bynum and Kevin Love. Bynum is a 7' 290 C and Kevin Love is a below average defender.You said Ibaka takes people off the dribble from 20 FEET OUT. I guarantee neither one of them where 20 feet from the rim. He probably did take them off the dribble from like 10 feet or closer, but you said he had the ability to take 2 DRIBBLES and finish from as far out as 20 feet. Which has never happened before from him.

"And did you see the stats i posted Ibaka shot 50% on shots 10-15 feet out when the NBA average is 40%"

On how many attempts? Probably a very small number. Darren Collison shot 52% from 3 in college one year, but that doesn't mean he's a great shooter. Ibaka probably shot a very limited number of attempts, which skewed his stats. Once again, you fail to interpret the stats you put up

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Why do you keep posting

Why do you keep posting pictures of him with no shirt on??

Word. I mean, WE understand he's cut. He's in the NBA. No Homo cannot save you twice.

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lmao no homo cannot save you

lmao no homo cannot save you twice.

and they were from right above the foul line. He got the ability to square slow footed players up then get by them with 2 dribbles, then after his 2 steps, its going on ESPN.

And Ibaka got broad shoulders him being narrow won't effect him play center because he got the leg strength to compensate. Minute Bol was one of the narrowest human beings to ever live. Just because he's not a wide body doesn't mean he won't be able to play center. Marcus Camby isn't wide. And if center can get into his chest they would of did it last year. But he is going to be less foul prone and even stronger this year. And last year there weren't many centers scoring on him when he was in the game.

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"And Ibaka got broad

"And Ibaka got broad shoulders him being narrow won't effect him play center because he got the leg strength to compensate. Minute Bol was one of the narrowest human beings to ever live. Just because he's not a wide body doesn't mean he won't be able to play center. Marcus Camby isn't wide. And if center can get into his chest they would of did it last year. But he is going to be less foul prone and even stronger this year. And last year there weren't many centers scoring on him when he was in the game."

They did get into his chest last year. Why do you think he was so foul prone last year? Just because he played good D for a few games against an injured Andrew Bynum doesn't mean they didn't do it. Just because he blocked a few shots doesn't mean teams weren't scoring on him. There is a difference between elite D and shot-blocking. Ibaka isn't great as a man-to-man post defender, especially against back to basket PF/C's. And Marcus Camby is bigger than Ibaka is. Camby is about 255 lbs.

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everyone is making good

everyone is making good points on both sides but to say McGee is a better option potentially on offense makes no sense because there isnt any proof supporting that. if im not mistaken both of there offensive numbers were similar except ibaka does it on a playoff team while sharing the ball with better players and being a year behind Mcgee as far as experience and a 2 years younger also while Mcgee has been playing basketball longer career wise. lets not get liking Mcgee mixed up with facts because there arent any facts that show Mcgee has better offense of potential. neither right now should be considered main options on offense but ibaka shoul dbe considered more of a option because he at least can hit a midrange jumper. Mcgee shoul dbe a option in a tyson chandler way with someone throwing him alleys.

Like many topics before about good players doing well on bad teams Mcgee did less than average on a pretty bad team. if anything there are more facts supporting ibaka as a better offensive player potentially and now then Mcgee

Mcgee year 2 averaged 6.4pts 4.1 reb 1.7 blks 2fouls in 16min a game on a 26-53 east team

Ibaka year 1averaged 6.5pts 5.4 reb 1.3 blks 2.7 fouls in 18min a game on a 50-32 west team

preseason Mcgee year 3 (7.7pts 6reb 2blks 3.3 fouls in 19min a game

preseason Ibaka year 2 ( 8.5pts 5.5reb 1.5blks 3.0 fouls in 25min a game

both have a long ways to go and dont be suprised if neither averages double figures in scoring or rebounding because both are foul prone

no one can say one is better or more potential offensively then the other because there isnt really much proof in either direction so its just a matter of opinion with no real facts to support it

offensive options wiz ahead of Mcgee

preseson wall,gilbert,,young,blatche,yi,

regular season could be thortan and hinrick

Okc

preseaon durant,westbrook,green,cook,maynor,harden

regular season could be thabo

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Both need to rebound better

Both need to rebound better with how athletic they are

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