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Maxed Out

When you think about how high a guy's ceiling is you get excited about watching them play, because you never know how good they can be. But other players are as good as they are going to be. Not that this is a bad thing it's just that because of their limitations they are stuck in that C.Maggette mold of producing but not growing. "I may be wrong, But I doubt it" So here goes.

1.B.Jennings. After that double nickel last year. Never progressed beyond that point. below 40% fg

2.DGranger. 28 year old Chucker. Great 2nd edition that could be a Robin to JWall batman if they make this trade. Blatche/NY & or R.Lewis expiring deal in two years, for DGranger.

3.Nick Young. 26 yr old Scorer. Put him on a team where all he has to do is score he's great addition/little to no upside. However, could average 20 ppg, but what about shot selection.

More to come just have to think about it.


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Don't agree at all, you can't

Don't agree at all, you can't write these guys off.

Jennings came out with a bang and has been shooting poorly. he is young. His team was better when he was shooting better, FG percentage has a lot to do with how good your team is. Getting open looks, being in the right spots, being able to execute. He is so young, easily can still get better.

Granger has been improving in every area in addition to scoring in the last few years. Scoring isnt everything.

Nick Young, again man, they are young... it takes time to develop a good shot selection if you don't have one. being around veteran guys and good disciplined coaches can do wonders for players with bad shot selection.

None of these guys are necessary maxed in my opinion, and can easily improve.

Remember how long it took Billups to get it? Look at what he has accomplished.

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The problem with the Jennings

The problem with the Jennings part is that you are saying his problem is low FG% is the problem as the 20 year old plays more games and progresses he will make better shot selection and work on his jumper.

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This dude really said

This dude really said Jennings has hit his ceiling and he dropped 55 in his rookie year and is only like 21 years old..

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Dude I watch every single

Dude I watch every single Wizards game and Nick Young shouldn't keep getting such a poor rep for his shot selection, because honestly it is not that bad compared to how it was his rookie season. He takes only a few bad shots per game- most of them coming when the shot clock is running down or when he beats his man, only to realize there is someone else right next to him( he has an awareness issue sometimes, he can always beat his man but needs to pay attention to other defenders on the floor). Blatche is the one who has a terrible shot selection. Not only does he take shots that are not the best option for a player with his post moves, height, and athleticism, but I would have to say that on any given day he forces about half of his shots and often takes shots that he cannot make or even draw a foul on. Blatche would be such a load in the paint if he would operate almost exclusively from that area and drive to the hoop more and pass of when he is double teamed to players such as Nick Young, Rashard Lewis and Kirk Hinrich who can drain the 3 ball with ease. He can hit the midrange shot, but Blatche is much better inside.....

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^^ Exactly. He does take of

^^ Exactly. He does take of few bad shots a game (most people do), but most of the shots he takes are reasonable shots. He's taking so many shots now because he is now the Wizards 1st option and they always try to find him in crunch time. Like da1pot said, it was much worse in his rookie season. And I think that his first 2 seasons were stunted. Eddie Jordan and interim coach Eddie Tappscott were TERRIBLE at developing young players and would take Nick out every single time he made a mistake, and would never let him learn through them. I think Flip Saunders has really helped NY develop his game. I think has mainly improved mentally. He sometimes will still remind of the "old" NY(who was dumb as a rock), but looks like he knows what he's doing on the court. And Nick is still pretty young. He's actually 25, and if he can work on his all-around game, he can become a good starter.And just to think that Nick might have never broken out this season if Gilbert never faked that injury during preseason. THANK YOU GIL!

As for Blatche, the broken foot has really affected him this season. This season, he's looked fat, slow, out of shape, and unsure of himself, and you really have to take all of this into consideration because he isn't a physical player and most of his game is invloved with beating people off the dribble. If the injury never happened, I think he would be getting consideration for the All-Star Game. He also has no lift right now, so he's not blocking shots at a high rate and gets his shot blocked at the rim a lot. I think the main reason why he's been roaming around the perimeter is because he has no confidence in his post game right now. He's been slower this season so he hasn't been able to show how truly skilled he is down low in the post. But I still don't think he should be roaming around the perimeter and acting like a guard. He's fatter and slower after the injury, so he should cut ou the extra dribbling and trying to do some simple post moves and backing people down. And even though he's a very good mid-range shooter for his size, his J has pretty much sucked this season. He shooting like Arenas was this season before he got traded, where he's putting nothing into it. He's just nonchalantly shooting it. You cant do that. You have to be in rythm and step into it. But I think that after one offseason, if he's not injured again, that he'll be able to regain his form from last season because he'll get in shape and refine his game. Many Wizards fans want to trade him right now, but I wouldn't trade him for anyone. Look at what happened with Nick Young. Most Wizards fans wanted to trade him last season, but look at the player he has become.

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55 points so what Tracy

55 points so what Tracy Murray Drop 50 Charlie V put up 50 in Toronto, I'll listen to Charlie Rosen when he talks about guys being max-out as oppose to average fans. I mean you can look @ a players game & tell if they are going to improve. B.Jennings had to score last year, now that his cast supposedly improved how will his shot selection & ppg or ast improve. He BJ is a slight pg who relies on speed as oppose to DRose who goes 6'3 & 215, that's a build that will carry you when your athleticisim dwindles. Thats why you always take bigger stronger points over those fast athletic guy's DWill over CPaul for example. As far as these other guy's are concerned i guess if they pass your eye test you can believe that can progress. However, that window where a guy reaches that Optimum level of competition is between 20-24. NY is 26 DGranger is 28. And BJ "I may be wrong, but i Doubt it" is just eye candy, i don't think he's Franchise material. So this is what scouts say about these guy's who get $$$ to make assestment on players. Like Amir Johnson get 5 yr 35 mill when the raptors look @ his age & potential, or when a scout said that Serge Ibaka could be better than Amare, you pay attention to those things & watch those players.

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not saying NY is a bad player

not saying NY is a bad player just how much can he improve. plus this is a contract year, so you never know what could be his motivation. I know with NY it has always been a # game he was ready to break out but the Wiz went & got M.Miller & R.Foye. So this could be the player that was waiting for his time, i read he put in a lot of work this summer, so i hope continues to shine, but upside is not there. Also, 25 is young if your body of work say's you have upside, but to breakout @ 25 is not young @ all. And C.Billups was injured a lot when he was young never knew what he could do.

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Maxed out? You have it all wrong

Jennings is in his early twenties. Heck he's younger than I am. So I highly doubt he is maxed out. I find it very hard to believe that a player who was not only selected in the lottery but also came in 3rd place for ROY last year is maxed out. (Last year's Roy was actually a tighter race than you probably realize.) He just returned from injury. (of like 6 weeks I think) So of course he's gonna struggle to score. He hasn't played in a while, that's expected. Scoring isn't everything. He may not have improved his scoring but at least he has improved his defense or his passing.

And I have Nick Young on my fantasy team so I know for a fact that he can do more than just score. He may not get 5 boards a game but he is not Ray Allen. He gets like 2-3 (Not bad for a first year starter and a 3rd year player). Like many people said here he is young. He'll get better. And this is his first year starting so he's probably still adjusting to not coming off the bench and consequently having to do more.

And Granger. While I do agree that he is a 2nd option; I do not believe that he is a chucker. He does improve every year. Even though he does put up many 3's, at least he makes them. A chucker is someone who puts a lot of 3's but misses them. Someone who makes is actually called a 3-point Shooter. He has improved on defense. Also I think that a lot of the way he plays has to do with the team he is on. He has to do most of the scoring because he is only Pacer that can create for himself and he is the most talented player on that team. If he was another team I'm sure he would add a lot more to his game, than just putting up 3's like you claim.

I think you need to rethink your idea of a maxed out player, because you have it all wrong, in no way are any of those players maxed out.

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might as well finish it off

might as well finish it off not saying these guys are not productive just the upside is not there agree to disagree. And i'll go read another C.Rosen article.

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i did'nt write any of these

i did'nt write any of these guys off. hope they all have great careers, just don't see the upside.

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Whoever said Granger has

Whoever said Granger has improved his scoring the last few years doesn't pay enough attention. He's actually regressed in ppg from 25 two years ago to 21 this year. I too believe Granger hit his peak.

As for Jennings, he hasn't reached his potential yet. He's not going to get a lot better, but still has room for improvement. 5 assists per game and 38% fg's means you need to work on a few things.

Nick Young is what he is, a chucker. I think he averages something like 2 rebounds and 1 assist per game. He's a human black hole. He might develop into a 20ppg scorer on a bad team, and will never be known for anything other than chucking. Does nothing but score....or at least tries.

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max out guys

I think a good example of a max out guy was (pre injury) brandon roy. great player, but he was never going to progress past being the 22/5/5 guy. you could tell by his second year that that was what you were going to get, he wasnt going to be a 28/5/6 guy in year 5...or chris bosh is another good example. by year 3 he was a 20/10 guy and a 20/10 guy is where he'll always be. he didnt add volume 3 point range, a better handle, a dream shake, webber passing skills...his game didnt change from years 3 through 7...sure he got more shots, but his points came in the same 3 ways - face up jumper, beat man of the dribble going to his right with head fakes, and hit 80% free throws...maxed out by age 22...

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Roy

I actually think that Brandon Roy was on the verge of being a 27/5/5 type player who was capable of putting up 40 on any given night and could hit the big shot.

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maybe

personally i think what typically seperates 22ppg guys from 25-30ppg guys is less about ability and more about killer instinct. I dont think Roy had the killer instinct to take over games at the cost of getting teammates more involved. So i never viewed him as getting into the kobe/mcgrady/MJ type of prime scoring career. The evidence to me is in his attempts per game. He played point forward, had the ball in his hands ALOT, and still never put up more than 17shots per game...the blazers system totally allowed for him to put up 22 + like kobe et al and i just didnt see him becoming that guy

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BJ MAXED OUT?!?!?!? WTF!?!?!?

BJ MAXED OUT?!?!?!? WTF!?!?!? How is a kid who actually had upped his fg%, barely in his 20's, yet to develop his "Man" body, and actually led his team to the playoffs. How you can see all the talent and think it can't get better is truely beyond me. Isn't this the same guy who came out and dropped a triple double earlier this year. Give the child time, it comes with age. Damn, i would have hated to see what you would have thought about Kob his 2nd year. Jeez.

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Danny Grainger's scoring may

Danny Grainger's scoring may have regressed this year but he's still putting up 21ppg and often a player may have one or two higher scoring seasons then settles back into an average a few points below that going forward. If Grainger can put up 20 plus ppg over the next few years he remains a good scoring option. His resigning in 2008 on a long term deal did look a bit hefty at the time but now it looks fairly solid business.

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