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- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 12:51pm #68550
The GoatParticipantIm hearing a few hours ago the Mavs front office leaked that the Celtics offered Jaylen Brown and #27 for the Mavs #5 if they draft Mo Bamba for them. Mavs countered asking for Jayson Tatum instead. Im sure theres 2 or 3 front office nba guys on here on burners that can shed some more light on this.. Whats everyones thoughts?
In my opinion, the Mavs are trying to take advantage of the Celtics assets here, which they should, but they better hope the deal doesnt disappear.
Jaylen Brown is great. He is young, talented, his head is screwed on straight and he has playoff experience. The Celtics used a #3 pick on him and the consensus thought is he was a good draft pick. To get a guy who was a good #3 as well as a #27 for a #5 is a very good deal. It is only a good deal for Boston because they can afford it.
If Brown was on the Mavs right now and the draft picks reversed, Danny would laugh and accept Brown in immediately.
The Mavs arent doing their duty if they dont come back asking for Tatum, but i highly doubt anything Dallas has lands him.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 1:18pm #1118546
ZouldiersParticipantWell, this gets interesting.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 1:46pm #1118547
HitsterParticipantVery generous deal offered by Boston considering Brown was a number 3 pick and has two years left on his deal and they offer 27th pick as well. Brown would interest Dallas as he’d be a young proven guy to go alongside Barnes and Smith.
Jaylen we say great things about but he only put up 14.5ppg and is Danny Ainge doing a bit of Sam Hinkie and trading when value is high.
I still feel Hayward may be the guy they should move but with his injury it would be hard on him and his trade value might not be so high.
Also I would think Boston might not see Dallas as the ideal team to do a deal with, like Boston they have a very good FO and Coach so would not be a light touch.
Memphis at 4 whose future pick Boston own might seem a more likely dealing partner.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 2:09pm #1118551
festar35ParticipantDallas has always been my 2nd favourite team and I say go for it
Then I’d go after Julius Randle to fill that C position.C. Randle
PF. Nowitzki
SF. Barnes
SG. Brown
PG. SmithA real solid starting 5 under the tutelage of Carlisle could push for a playoff spot in Dirk’s likely final year as well as have a really bright future around Smith, Brown & Randle going forward.
As for Boston I think we could see a new age big man front-court that can challenge the small-ball era.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 10:52pm #1118581
kobyzParticipantC. DeAndre
PF. Barnes
SF. Porter jr
SG. Matthews
PG. Smith0
- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 2:41pm #1118556
publius2481ParticipantThis sounds like a smokescreen to me. Mark Murphy of the Boston Herald has reported multiple league sources told him there is no offer and Ainge is very high on Brown; I think he would only trade him for a young superstar. However, it makes me think Dallas is looking to move the pick and may have some team or teams interested. They may be the team to watch on draft night.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 3:45pm #1118558
BleedGreen808ParticipantTo give some background on where this rumor started there was an article talking about the Celtics having interest in Bamba. The writer then guessed what it might take for Boston to get a top pick to draft him. That included possible packages of Brown + the 27th pick or a Rozier + King’s Pick. Somehow that article has morphed into Boston offering Brown in a trade with Dallas.
Here’s a link to the article from 3 days ago: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2018-trade-rumors-celtics-news-mo-bamba-terry-rozier-jaylen-brown/133p7iqhqcizdzpnevero3fsg
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 4:46pm #1118563
BeardedDragon84Participantas a Boston fan, how interested are you in Bamba?
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 5:34pm #1118567
BleedGreen808ParticipantI’m intrigued by the shotblocking and rebounding he could provide the Celtics. But he’s not a perfect fit on the offensive end, although Drew Hanlen has him working on his offensive game. I wouldn’t including Brown in a trade for Bamba but definitely would if the package was built around Rozier and the King’s pick. JJJ is another big that I would really like in the Celtics system.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 7:44pm #1118571
BeardedDragon84ParticipantHmmm… yeah Dallas will be much less interested in Rozier after taking Smith last year, than they would be with Brown. Figured Brown could be replaced with the Kings pick next year by taking Cameron Reddish.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 8:48pm #1118578
BleedGreen808ParticipantFor sure Dallas would rather have Brown. I just meant in a general attempt to trade up for a big. The problem is that Rozier only has a year left before RFA and the King’s pick isn’t a sure thing.
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 5:10am #1118588
BeardedDragon84Participanteh, I guess this is further away than I originally thought. Seemed like a rare realistic trade on a Basketball forum. Word is already out Boston is looking to sell high on scary Terry, and my Magic is probably the only team with an outside shot at getting Bamba if he falls that might entertain the idea of Rozier and the Kings pick for him. Although I’d be intrigued I think a lot of Magic fans would rather just take Bamba.
Boston needs a center in my opinion and parting with Brown and a pick is how you get one of the top ones this year. Next years center crop wont be as good, but you can bundle some assets and have your pick of em. Or shoot for Anthony Davis. Dang Boston is well positioned.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 4:00pm #1118559
khaled_a_dParticipantI’ve read the rumors, but in different way:
1-Deveney rom sporting news A source close to Boston actually reported interest in Bamba, and suggested that they have assets to make a trade like Rozier ,Brown and 27th.2-Mike Fisher from dallas basketball said that Mavs are unaware of such interest/offer. But it seems they have no interest in it unless it has Tatum. That isn’t out of greed but because the actually like their pick.
3-Mark Murphy from Boston Herald :”League source on Celtics’ reported interest in moving up to draft Mo Bamba: “Don’t waste your time on that one.””
Simply as it seems a case of a team (Celtics) interested in a prospect (Bamba) but not interested enough to offer something worthy for other teams.
Regarding Brown, few things.
-Him being former 3 pick means nothing actually. he is now a player in this league. how good he is and how good is his contract is what matters (both are really good for the record). But teams won’t care about where he was drafted before.
-Mavs would probably prefer to roll the dice with the draft pick rather than getting Brown, because as good as he is he isn’t a franchise changing player, with 5 pick we might get one who is better. Not likely but possible. At this early point of rebuild it is worth taking the risk0- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 5:22pm #1118566
BeardedDragon84Participant"not interested enough to offer something worthy for other teams"
any ideas? I figure this could be negotiated into something if Boston actually is willing to part with Brown for a shot at their future franchise center. Brown and the Memphis pick? Protected top 8 next year, top 6 in 2020, unprotected 2021. With Memphis getting Conley back to pair with Gasol and adding the 4th pick, the pick will probably convert but they won’t be a playoff team. Possibly a weaker draft next year, but a late lottery pick should be better than the 27th this year. If somehow it doesn’t convert next year than the 2020 draft could be extremely deep with the possible end of the one and done rule. I’d say that’d be worth the risk. With Hayward coming back Celtics can spare Brown and hope to replace him with the Kings pick in a wing heavy 2019 draft.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 5:16pm #1118565
220ParticipantBrown and the #27 for the #5 pick seems like too much honestly. I feel like Boston should get something back for trading Brown for the #5 not the other way around.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 7:26pm #1118570
cohenbc1ParticipantI just can’t imagine trading Brown for Bamba straight up, let alone having to throw in a first-rounder. It’s crazy.
Besides the fact that you’re trading a known for an unknown … what is Bamba’s ceiling? A Rudy Gobert/DeAndre Jordan type? I can’t imagine anyone sees him as a potential Davis/Towns/Embiid. Those guys were light years more skilled offensively in their freshman years of college.
Now what is Brown’s ceiling? I can see him as Paul George or Jimmy Butler type wing, although he may not put up those kind of stats if this Celtics squad stays together.
But which is more valuable in today’s NBA?
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 9:30pm #1118693
tblazer_NZParticipantWell Rudy Gobert took his team to the 5th seed and the second round. Paul George and Jimm Butler couldn’t do that with a better supporting cast so I would argue that he is more valuable in today’s NBA.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 8:47pm #1118577
MopgrassParticipantIf the rumor is true, it would also mean Bamba was worth more that the 5th pick. Maybe 3rd.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/02/2018 - 10:45pm #1118580
kobyzParticipantI’m saying no if I’m Dallas, and I’m taking Porter insted, he’s better fit and better potential…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 3:35am #1118585
BasterdInABasketParticipantIf I was an NBA GM I’d never do a trade with Boston, very good chance I’m getting the worse end of any deal
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 5:56am #1118590
HitsterParticipantCould Ainge be throwing a smoke screen and possibly be after one of the other bigs in the cluster around Bamba.
Philly have 10 and 26 so might they look to move up I wonder?
Also if Ainge wants in the draft would he consider giving Sacramento pick back to Philly for 10th pick?
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 8:41am #1118593
BeardedDragon84ParticipantI think philly are offering 10 and 26 to anyone who takes Mikal before their pick at 10. Starting to believe that won’t be enough to get it done tho.
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- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 7:54am #1118591
HitsterParticipantWith the Magic looking for a PG could Ainge dangle Rozier to them to try and set 6th pick as part of a package. John Hammond is a smart GM so I don’t think he’d bite but I could see Ainge trying.
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 9:11am #1118594
BeardedDragon84Participantthis is a little unclear, are you saying the Magic would be packaging more than the 6th pick for Rozier? that’s ridiculous. Rozier and either the Kings pick or the Memphis pick is the start of the conversation.
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- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 12:47pm #1118598
HitsterParticipantNo, the Celtics would have to offer much more than Rozier to get 6th pick – certainly 27th pick and another future first possibly Memphis one.
0- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 11:10pm #1118618
cohenbc1ParticipantWait, what?
You’re saying Rozier is not worth the 6th pick?
Here are the last ten sixth picks in the draft: Isaac, Hield, Cauley-Stein, Smart, Noel, Lillard, Vesely, Udoh, Flynn, Gallinari.
Rozier just led a team to the 7th game of the conference finals. he’s 24 and just entering his prime. If you’re saying you would have to offer MORE THAN ROZIER for the 6th pick that makes no sense. Recent history says that there’s a 10 percent chance you get a franchise player with #6; there’s at least a 30 percent chance you whiff so badly you hit yourself in the face with the bat.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 10:08am #1118643
BeardedDragon84ParticipantHe’s also a restricted free agent in one year and isn’t an obvious piece Boston will be willing to pay to keep. Its Rozier and a good pick to get any interest, 27th isn’t enough.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 12:47pm #1118654
cohenbc1ParticipantTrue, but the Celtics’ "title window" starts now. I would rather keep a known contributor like Rozier until the last possible minute, than trade him for an unknown who likely won’t contribute much the next couple years.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 1:25pm #1118657
OhCanada-ParticipantMuch rather have Collin Sexton on a rookie scale contract then Rozier restricted fa.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 8:26pm #1118688
cohenbc1ParticipantI don’t mean to beat this into the ground but I’m really trying to understand your thinking.
Rozier is still on his rookie contract in 2018-19, right? You would rather have Sexton — an unknown — than Rozier in 2018-19? I have nothing against Sexton, but Kris Dunn, Cameron Payne, Elfrid Payton, Trey Burke — just to name point guards — all were much more accomplished than Sexton and played like garbage their rookie years if not beyond.
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- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 2:54pm #1118666
BeardedDragon84Participanteh, it’s up to Danny Ainge. He could try and trade Rozier and Memphis pick for Bamba if he falls to 6, then maybe replace Rozier with the Sacremento pick in 2019… or play it out with Rozier next year, maybe give Baynes a one year deal and bring back basically the same roster but hopefully healthy this time, then let Rozier and Baynes go after next season for nothing and try to pick up a center and a guard with the Sacremento and Memphis picks. Maybe they have enough to win it next year, but after that they won’t be paying Smart, Rozier, and Irving… this way Rozier can be part of a package that brings in a long term piece and I think Bamba will be better than any center found in 2019.
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- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 7:55pm #1118614
SlickBouncePassParticipantFirst of all, haha.
Secondly, Jaylen Brown is a system swing who needs to be surrounded by very good offensive players. He’s a good 3&D, but his shot is inconsistent. There is no way you win with Jaylen Brown unless you have other stars or play in a great system. The Boston players are very good, but its a little San Antonio-ish to me. When a lot of the Spurs leave SA, they fail to make the same impact. You’ll see the same with Brown, and Rozier.
Rozier had a heck of early playoff rounds but then came to earth. Firstly he got tired. Secondly good defenders can slow him down. Thirdly, he got exposed in the later rounds. I think there was a lot of hype saying Rozier is a starting NBA PG, and he is, but he’s not an all-star by any means, not close. I don’t think he’s as good as Schroeder in Atlanta.
You saw how badly Boston was missing playmakers in the Celtics series. Against the Sixers Boston was unbelievable, they hit everything, and the Sixers were still young and didn’t play aggressive strongman football-type defense against Boston, like Cleveland did to Boston and Houston did an admirable job against GSW. You needed guys to hit their own shots besides Tatum, and no one could do it in primetime, including Brown, Rozier.
So Brown is a really good role player, but he’s slightly overrated due to the perfect system he plays in. Harrison Barnes is another example of a guy that was solid in GSW, but average at best in Dallas.
I think Dallas is smart to ask for Tatum. I don’t care where Brown was drafted. I look at Boston’s roster and see a plethora of swings. If they really want to improve an aspect of their roster, well, how bad do they want to do it. Boston is loaded with picks, I’d demand more than Brown, who again is a tradeable part for them.
Tatum is probably too much based on what we’ve seen from him, he’s really impressive. But Brown isn’t enough in my opinion. I’d need another good pick if I was really primed to go after Bamba. If I was Dallas I’d just take Bamba instead of Brown.
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 12:28am #1118621
KerouacJackParticipantThis is a great review. Celtics fans simply think that because Rozier had a good series or two that he’s suddenly worth multiple firsts and that’s just not the case. Keep dreaming Boston. And yes, Brown is 100% a system player and essentially worth very little on his own.
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- Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 8:40pm #1118615
r377ParticipantNot surprising to hear this…
I thought maybe there might be possibly something going on
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/who-says-no-4
Remember a few years ago Danny Ainge was dying to trade up and draft WCS
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/03/2018 - 8:43pm #1118616
r377ParticipantJaylen Brown although a decent player is a system player – how good would he have looked playing in Orlando or Sacramento ?
His value is quite high and i think some kids are overrating him on here. I said it before but I would have drafter Jamal Murry over Brown
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 9:21am #1118638
pullapoParticipant1.) This trade was not offered, as others have shown
2.) Brown is worth way more than Bamba
3.) While I get while some say Brown is a system player, its definitely not the case. Even at the beginning of this season Brown simply couldnt dribble worth a damn and no way in hell could he playmake off a pick and roll. By the time the playoffs came around he had improved enough to the point where he was doing both as a secondary handler rather often. Also, missing shots in a couple games to end the season doesnt make him an inconsistent shooter… he shot 40% from three on the season! The dude was just above 20% from the college three! Plus he’s an elite wing defender. While he didnt have the best ECF and may develop more into a #2 offensive option on a title contender than a #1 (possibly Tatum) he’s def not a system player. He’s proven himself to be a very hard worker.
4.) I’d worry Smart IS a system player… If a bad team overpays for him and uses him differently I’d be worried. He’s at his best as a 6th man on a playoff team.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 1:20pm #1118656
HitsterParticipantThinking more about this I do reckon it is a smoke screen, you have Cleveland sitting at 8th in draft and Philly at 10th and 26th who are and potentially are the Celtics main rivals out East. Both are in a postion whereby they could trade up and possibly get Bamba.
Also if there is all this hype about Bamba, could he go within the top 3. I don’t think he’d go ahead of Bagley and certainly not Ayton but Hawks at 3 could well have a very good look at him.
If Ainge did want to try and trade up, he’d almost need a Hinkie like GM who would possibly take Sac-Town pick for next year in exchange for a top 10 pick this year.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 1:31pm #1118659
OhCanada-ParticipantWhats all this about Jaylen Brown being a system player. We dont know what type of player he would be on a lottery team. He’s only played two seasons and his second year he doubled his productivity. Wings usually mature by the age of 25 after 4 or 5 seasons in the league he is still 21 and has proven nhe can play 3 positions. Im all for Boston trading him for a top 5 pick in order to bring in Jackson Jr. or Bamba as they lack rim protection and have many wings/forwards but lets give Jaylen Brown his due here. Hes had a spectacular start to his career compared to most peoples expectations and has a very bright future.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 2:37pm #1118664
r377ParticipantThey cannot afford to pay Hayward, Brown and Tatum $20+mill each.
Brown will be a FA in 2 seasons time and command $20+mill.
If they take Bamba they will have him for 4 seasons cheap. Lebron also looks to score of penetration so a shot blocking Bamba is another advantage.
They also have Marcus Morris and Semi Ojeleye on cheap contracts
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/04/2018 - 8:51pm #1118692
cohenbc1ParticipantYes, but before Brown is an FA the Celts want to win a championship. Does trading Brown for Bamba help them do that? What if Bamba can’t face up and shoot at all in the NBA, and can’t switch onto guards without getting burned? And do you seriously think LeBron will think twice about driving to the hoop because 20-year-old Bamba is there, quivering like a reed in the wind?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/05/2018 - 3:27am #1118703
pullapoParticipantMorris is up after next year and is one of the few celtics primed to be traded… Hes already indicated hes worried about touches next season on a stacked roster. Semi is a very good late bench role player currently, with potential to develop a bit more. All that said, they certainly can keep all of Tatum Brown and GH long term (as they will all start and play 30 minutes a night in a switch heavy system), provided Al takes a pay cut (not a given, but likely) or is traded (would need a replacement), and Kyrie doesnt get super max. Its gonna be tough figuring out who to pay, and "rolling some assets forward" by trading a player for a top 5 pick makes a ton of sense, but not Brown (yet at least) and not now.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/08/2018 - 7:53am #1118925
celtics1982ParticipantBrown isn’t a system player. Come on the guy can defend, shoot, and drive to the basket. Those skills fit on any team. You put him on a crappy team and his numbers will sky rocket, but his efficiency would go down. I really wonder if you guys actually watch him play more than a few games. The guy is going to be really good. He’s still crazy young.
Why can’t you afford to resign him? If you think that way, then you have to think no way the Warriors can keep that team together. All comes down to the owner willing to pay the tax and Bostons owner will pay the tax. You don’t trade a young stud years before free agency because of money. Heck we don’t even know if Hayward will be the same player.
Rozier right now is a good starting player. His athletic ability gives him a very high ceiling. He keeps improving each year. Its not crazy to think he has a chance to be an all-star if everyyhing goes right. So he has a ton of value because he has a very high floor and ceiling. If you’ve watch him grow over the last 3 years you’d agree. Some players just keep getting better like a Jimmy Butler. At minimum he’s worth a lottery pick this year, but I hope we keep him long-term.
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/07/2018 - 4:23am #1118796
PureshooterParticipantI see their logic as Bamba has the potential to be a defensive powerhouse, which is one area where they really need help. I could see him as a Clint Capela type player almost immediately.
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