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Man was I off this kid or what???

Before the season started there was a post asking who we would all prefer to have between Anthony Randolph, Andray Blatche,and Michael Beasley.

I didn't pick Randolph but I remember thinking he would have a breakout season this year, then I looked and saw he's averaging about 2 ppg this year and has only played in 11 games. I don't follow the Knicks much so does anyone who does know what happened? Are he and D'Antoni having problems or is he injured or what? I thought I remembered him starting a few games early in the year...


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Summer league superstar

Does not = nba success.

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He just sucks. If you can't

He just sucks.

If you can't score/rebound in the easiest offense which he has played in his entire career (Warriors and Knicks run and gun offense) then you can't score or rebound at all.

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I was off too

I remember that post, and I didn't pick Randolph either, but I too thought that he would breakout this season, would eventually move into the starting ineup, and be a player contending for MIP, but boy was I WRONG! He's in D'Antoni's doghouse and is currently a benchwarmer.I've barely watched the Knicks this season, so I don't know what he's doing wrong, but he certainly isn't impressing D'Antoni.

I don't know why I thought he had a chance to win MIP. Many people on this site said he was overrated, but I guess I let Knick fans convince me because of all their whining.

Another thing I noticed, whenever Randolph is on the floor, why does it always look like he's about to cry?

I'm waiting for bkballer to own up to his mistake.

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Randolph

I was never high on Anthony Randolph, always looked at him as a bust. But I was for sure wrong about another guy on that list ..

Michael Beasley is having a comeback season this year. I really think it has helped him to be in a more controlled enviroment like Minnesota, than wandering around South Beach. I wish him well. He has a real chance to make himself into a great player in the league, especially if he learns how to defend.

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Hey, when you're right you're

Hey, when you're right you're right... kid has so much athleticism and potential but I never knew he would be such a &$#%#&@!. Guy just whines and cries and the slightest mistake sends him into a tailspin where he stops looking like a basketball player. What a waste of talent =/

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You are not alone. There were

You are not alone. There were many people saying the same thing. I kept saying he's not as good as people think but knicks and Warrior fans swore that i was just a hater or say things like " you obviously haven't seen him play" unfortunately i have had the displeasure of watching him play

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Nateoak o where art thou

Nateoak o where art thou nateoak........????

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I will give Quincey some

I will give Quincey some credit on this, he knew what was up with Randolph from the word go. He kept shooting people down when they said Randolph would be a star, and frankly I thought he was wrong. I guess he's got the last laugh on this one though. Randolph is awful.

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^^^^^

I'd still rather have Beasley....

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I remember that post and

I remember that post and thought to myself who in the world would pick anybody besides Beasley. I didn't even think it was a question. Mike Beasley is on another level. But Blatche is also playing well like he did at the end of last season but Beasley is a MIP candidate. And I don't wanna hear he is just scoring because he is on a bad team. Michael Beasley is a hard worker who has turned himself into a true Small Forward and his 47% FG and 41% 3 Point Shooting shows you just how much work this kid puts into his game during the offseason.

Now to Randolph. I was always a huge Randolph fan. I remember that draft almost jumping out of my seat thinking he was going to fall to my Sixers. I didn't think the Warriors would take him with B Wright already on board, nor the Suns cuz it was no secret they wanted Robin Lopez. But the W's did take him much to my grief. A few years later it's to my delight was Mo Speights despite not playing defense still got the potential to become a good scoring NBA big man and Randolph looks like he don't belong in the league.

On NBA TV I watched the Knicks training camp and noticed that he looked like he didn't care and didn't take stuff serious. He was lazy looking even during stretching. Randolph defines the words, not acting proffessional. He should eventually mature and contribute for some team but his career looks like it's heading towards a Tim Thomas type career instead of the Josh Smith one we thought he would have.

Conclusion: Anthony Randolph is just a bum.

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whoever up there saying

whoever up there saying randolph sucks is DUMB. look at his per minute stats then rethink your statement cause theyre sick...

also look at the players coming in for the knicks ahead of randolph...

amare

gallinari

chandler

im in no way saying randolph is a star but he produces at a very high level when given the chance...

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He's not a bum but going by

He's not a bum but going by per minute is dumb. you go by what they do and if they can beat out other players to get on the floor. Its not like he was playing on the lakers or Boston. He was on the Warriors and now knicks. A good player finds ways to get on the floor. Landry never played shooting guard in college but he worked on his game and got better and plays hard and produces. Anthony Hurts you more then he helps you. Looking at per minute may fool you but watching him and you understand why he doesn't play much.

Per minute Serigo looked like he would be pretty good as well and you see how that turned out. Just because a guy may average 5 points per in 4minutes of play doesn't mean He's a scorer if he gets more time

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I

still think randolph can ball and if someone gets injured on the knicks(hope not) and randoplh get inserted in lineup

he will show he can block shots rebound and score if he plays with in himself and doesnt try to do too much he will play good

he will never be a allstar but a good role player

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I think eventually he can be

I think eventually he can be a good role player. But both teams he has played for says he has a bad work ethic, doesn't work on his game, and is one of those last one to practice first one to leave guys

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@Mr. 1934, I'm so hype about

@Mr. 1934, I'm so hype about Kyrie, I'd love for him to go number 1 for two reasons. First of all he seems like a great kid who's destined for success. Secondly hopefully that would give Duke a little bit of a recruiting advantage.

But yea, I don't think Perry Jones will turn out like Randolph at all, I think they have similar type skill sets and games, but that Jones will be much better.

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Jones will be much better

Jones will be much better based off of what?..im not saying you're wrong or right but when they were both at the same stage Randolph was the better player

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Being lazy and having a low

Being lazy and having a low basketball IQ can hold any player back, no matter the raw talent you have. Anthony Randolph suffers from both laziness and low basketball smarts, and it's holding him back even though he has all the skills and physical ability in the world. He doesn't suck like some are saying, (he's proven to be reasonably productive with limited minutes in the past remember), but he's going to continue to underachieve until he gets better with the mental aspects of the game. And it's going to be a shame to watch him if he doesn't "get it" sooner or later. It always sucks watching talent go to waste.

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Call it a hunch. There games

Call it a hunch. There games are similar but not exactly alike, Jones is a little bigger and don't think he has the bad reputation that Randolph has of not putting in effort. By all accounts Randolph is allergic to the gym and doesn't work on his game. He hasn't gotten any better. I have a feeling that Perry Jones will get much better. Call it a hunch.

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Im not sure just yet

Its hard to say if he is a bust just yet, it may just be his the situations he has been in so far. I mean alot of people had written Beasley off after just two years, but a change of scenery has shown he can score with the best of them. Chauncey Billups bounced around before he became a star in detroit. Who though Ben Wallace would be an all-star when he was on the Wizards/Bullets??? Randolph has the talent to be a decent player in the league i think the jury is still out.

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I actually agree i think

I actually agree i think Jones will be better. Not when i watched him in HS though. He's more assertive now and uses his Athletic ability and size down low instead of roaming on the wing and not playing hard if he didn't get the ball like in HS

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Perry Jones is catching on to

Perry Jones is catching on to what scouts are saying about him and therefore has been more assertive at the college level, he can only get better

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I don't even think laziness

I don't even think laziness or lack of intelligence is the problem. He just lacks confidence and in the limited minutes he has he tries to do way to much, plays too fast and makes awful mistakes because he is forcing. You can tell he just wants to go out there and do too much, hopefully he gets it one day. If he wouldn't force on offense he would already be a valuable rotation player because he is a ridiculous rebounder.

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Over the past few years I have really changed how I evaluate players:

Past: Skinny guy with developing skills, but good size and athleticism = Huge potential that can be tapped with talented NBA coaches focused on development...... perfect for a guy like randolph and others

NOW: if you see a guy like randolph, with the traits shown above, stay away..... WAY too risky

People have written off less atheltic bruisers and rebounders in favor of these "high potential" prospects.... but time and time again the GMs are wrong

Paul Milsap: led NCAA in rebounding, now on his way to becoming an all-star (was said to rely on hustle and toughness too much, and wouldnt be a great enough adv in the NBA

Glen Davis: great hustler and rebouder, another highly successful college player, now an important piece to championship level team

Dajuan Blair: same exact thing, one of the best rebouders in college, starting for the team with the best record in the league

Basically, I'm tired of seeing guys like randolph or any other allegedly high potential pick who is skinny tall and athletic guy.... only to see the bangers and bruisers fall in the draft, and prove everyone wrong... i won't make the same mistake

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Over the past few years I have really changed how I evaluate players:

Past: Skinny guy with developing skills, but good size and athleticism = Huge potential that can be tapped with talented NBA coaches focused on development...... perfect for a guy like randolph and others

NOW: if you see a guy like randolph, with the traits shown above, stay away..... WAY too risky

People have written off less atheltic bruisers and rebounders in favor of these "high potential" prospects.... but time and time again the GMs are wrong

Paul Milsap: led NCAA in rebounding, now on his way to becoming an all-star (was said to rely on hustle and toughness too much, and wouldnt be a great enough adv in the NBA

Glen Davis: great hustler and rebouder, another highly successful college player, now an important piece to championship level team

Dajuan Blair: same exact thing, one of the best rebouders in college, starting for the team with the best record in the league

Basically, I'm tired of seeing guys like randolph or any other allegedly high potential pick who is skinny tall and athletic guy.... only to see the bangers and bruisers fall in the draft, and prove everyone wrong... i won't make the same mistake

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to me he isnt a bust just

to me he isnt a bust just yet.. he just doesnt care, has absoultley no work ethic... guy has all the talent in the world... its really sad to c a guy with all that potential and just waste it away.... no he doesnt suck either, like i said he just doesnt care about his job.... its actually really sad a person with all the tools avaliable to be a great player, but his head is up his ass

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Someone said he cant board

Scoring? Ya he cant score but per minute and rebound rate has him very high rebounding and blocking shots, starter? no, useful player ? could be

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If per min really mattered

If per min really mattered then he would be getting more time. Just isn't as good as people up here tried to hype him up to be. And some of those same people still make millions of excuses for him

He just needs to play more

Well his Per whatever is very good so he should play more

blah blah blah if he was good enough he would play more bottom line

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It's D'Antoni, look what

It's D'Antoni, look what promise Jordan Hill and Darko are showing this year. They were glued to the Knicks bench last year and Hill was even taking jabs from his head coach in the media.

D'Antoni is a decent coach who can win in his unique system, but I don't think he is a good developer of talent at all, and Randolph is in a bad situation for his career. He is a decent player, I was never in the club who thought he was a superstar waiting to breakout, but he is a guy who can contribute to a team, just not one coached by D'Antoni.

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I think with Randolph, it may

I think with Randolph, it may be like it was from Blatche and Mcgee. He needs time to work on stuff and in a few years we will be singing different stories. I remember when people say Blatche and Mcgee were bums. I remember when OJ Majo started and he was being compared to Kobe. I mean it is all about the situation and getting minutes. T will is another guy that comes to mind. Knicks should send Randolph to the d league because I think he needs to get the minutes in and help learn the system.

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It could also increase his

It could also increase his stock if he is actually good. This makes me wonder if they are limited him because they see the long term potential and don't want any teams to see the signs and have someone overpay for him. Knicks could find a way to keep him on the cheap. Some players take a while to get it but when they do. Jermaine O'neal took like 4 seasons to show he was a star level player

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The difference is Mcgee and

The difference is Mcgee and Blachte were never talked about as far as having bad work ethic or lazy or low basketball IQ. They also played behind Brendon Haywood and Antwan Jamison

I Can't blame the coach because this is coach number 2 and other players forced there way into the line up

Jermaine Oneal played behind very very good players on a championship caliber team. Big difference. No more excuse the obvious problem is Anthony Randolph. He's keeping himself from playing more and only he can change that

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Maybe like Darko if you put

Maybe like Darko if you put him on a very bad team and have no competition for his spot he will play well. But that will last only as long as the team is bad and has no other option

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We will see. I will say

We will see. I will say sometimes Randolph looks lost and seems to be scared to make a mistake but he is long and hustles. Also Blatche did get knocked for his work ethic and his IQ. I think with the emergence or several players it kind of pushed Randolph, and also Roger Mason JR and now to some degree Bill Walker to end of the line up.

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Blatche and mcgee never accused of lack of work ethic or IQ?

HAHAHA

Also about the per stuff, it's not just that. It's his rebound rate and blocks, when he does play he is very useful but his offense holds him baclk

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Bottom Line is Landy Fields

Bottom Line is Landy Fields is a second round pick who was a tweener forward for Stanford. At the same time the Knicks TRADED FOR ANTHONY RANDOLPH BECAUSE D'ANTONI THOUGHT HE COULD BREAK HIM OUT HIS SHELL. Well as it happens the second round pick came in and out played Randolph. Yeah I know Fields plays shooting guard but he is not as athletic as Randolph and never played shooting guard for Stanford. Chanlder and Galinari can both play shooting guard if they wanted Randolph to play.

Like I said before I watched the Knicks training camp on NBA TV and you could just see in training camp that Randolph doesn't take anything serious. Simple drills like calling A for turn left, or B for turn right to catch the ball that Amare Stoudemire was doing at full speed Randolph was sleep walking thru. He just doesn't have that drive. He is like a skinny Eddy Curry, no desire.

And D'Antoni wanted Randolph, he ever said it during the training camp. D'Antoni didn't want Jordan Hill he wanted Jrue Holliday, so D'Antoni had no use for Hill. He thought he had a use to Randolph. He talked about how Randolph can guard every position but point guard in training camp. But he can't pick up the offense. The same offense every other Knick player has had no problem with of picking up so far. They use a 7 second shot clock for crying out loud. There are no more excuses for Randolph. I was a huge Randolph fan too. He can still contribute probably because he is so young, but he will never be part of a teams core like he was viewed as.

And Randolph was never the level of prospect Perry Jones is. And no they did not have the same amount of skill at the same age. Did you see Randolph taking people off the dribble at LSU? Did Randolph ever bring the ball up the court, break a defense down, then hit a pull up jumper from the foul line? Did Randolph ever curl off a screen at LSU, catch the ball, dribble, pump fake, then throw a bullet to the low post? Jones perimeter skills a far and away greater then Randolph's at LSU. Hence the reason Perry Jones has always been viewed as a top 3 pick while Randolph was a borderline lottery pick

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I have no idea why everyone

I have no idea why everyone pumps this Stats PER statistic, it doesn't mean diddly when he doesn't produce when he gets the minutes. I think he's going to have a nice career, but he's not going to be much other than a glue guy, think Trevor Ariza type role.

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Dantoni

D'Antoni always seems to bure guys in his doghouse and they don't seem to ever get out. Someone mentioned this above. I think Randolph will need someone to go down with an injury to prove his worth out there. Im not sold on him having this huge potential or anything, but he could be a useful player with his length and quickness

Im my opinion he would be a good 8th or 9th man right now for the Knicks. He could add some speed and shot blocking that they could use. I just think he could play at least some kind of role.

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I thought he was poised for a breakout

I thought he was poised for a breakout season too, this has already been talked about but his PER 36 minute stats were very impressive, i was thinking prior to the season started, if those PER 36 stats were off, it wouldn't be by much i thought but the stats he's putting up is just pathetic. There's a reason why he was in Nelle's doghouse in GS, attitude, work ethic, desire etc put him in there, and D'Antoni has done the same thing. It's not a coincidence that he's been in the coaches' doghouse two times on two different teams.

This stems from the player and not the coaches, i think Randolph believed in his own hype and he thought that he was already good enough to get big stats because the PER36 stats said so, therefore he didn't bother improving on any facet of his game, if he did some workouts, i can't imagine he made much of an effort. I won't say he'll be a bust, he's too naturally talented to flop, but, he's stunted his potential quite a bit because of his lazyness and attitude. If he could snap out of it and show that he wants to be the starter in practice to D'Antoni, he'll be back on course.

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