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Mail Monk/Ben Gordon

I'm really surprised I haven't heard this comparison before. When you look past Ben Gordon's running back body, I think their games are very similar. Both undersized, both knock down shooters off the catch & bounce. Both explosive athletes with tremendous body control. What do you guys think?


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Good comparison. Not knocking

Good comparison. Not knocking Gordons athleticism but I think Monk is a bit more explosive. Also think as time goes on his PG skills will improve. I wonder how Gordon would have done if he came into the league in 2017. The style of play today really suits his game.

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just gonna piggyback off this

For the Philly fans,

Simmons may very well be the primary ball-handler. Your future is going to be based around Simmons and Embiid.

You have two promising young foreign shooting guards you picked up late 1st round in Luwawu and Korkmaz, both appear to be true shooting guards.

There is a lot of hype surrounding Monk for Philly. But do we really need to add a third shooting guard to our roster.

Monk has questionable handles, and questionable defense.

I get that with Simmons and Embiid you want as many shooters as possible for spacing purposes.

I'm watching Ilyasova play and it looks like he's sorta washed up, trying to do too much, and the younger Saric is really standing out in comparison to him.

I don't want to sign Ilyasova because of his pricetag. I think Lauri Markkanen will be a great add. He can spread the floor and guard the 4.

If we have 2 picks, with the first pick I'd want to grab the best PG available, in my order, Fultz, Ball, Smith, Ntilikina, Fox, and then grab Lauri Markkanen. Why add another shooting guard when you have two promising ones who will need playing time as it is.

My roster would look like:

PG: Smith (if 3rd pick) / McConnell

SG: Stauskas, Luwawu, Korkmaz <-- not a strong position in the NBA as it is. All 3 can hit the 3.

SF: Simmons, Covington <--- how much do we really need a swingman with these two?

PF: Markkanen, Saric

C: Embiid, Noel, Richuan Holmes

That'd be my 12 man roster going into next year. If a stud SG becomes available going into free agency, I'd sign him, maybe if JJ Reddick wants to come here I'd keep him over Stauskas.

Point is, Monk is undersized, questionable defense, with a great shot. I'd rather play Korkmaz who hopefully gets stronger in the futuer, and not spend a pick on Monk, rather grab a different sharpshooter in Markkanen who is great, and get your attacking PG. We need a guard that can break down a defense because I don't think Simmons will be able to do that. Smith can literally get into the paint at will...

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Lol

You want to add another big man after just complementing Saric for what he can do in the same role you would draft Markkanen. The question is which shouldn't even be a question do you draft another big?? If anything according to your observations you grab issac or Jackson, preferably issac because oh his shooting in addition to his defense and super high ceiling!

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To pile on what negguary is

To pile on what negguary is saying. You also state Simmons will be the primary ball handler but yeah you stress drafting a PG. What you really want is a player who guards the PG position and doesn't demand or control the ball on offense. The only player like that in the top 10 is Monk. Monk should be Philly's target.

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to the both of you

I understand Simmons will be more than likely a guy that grabs a rebound and brings the ball upcourt, likely can get into the paint, and can pass.

But the reason I stress PG is because we currently have nobody from the perimeter who can be your go to guy from the perimeter, a la Kyrie Irving to Lebron...we need someone who can get his own shot, or break down a defense to find the bigs. We currently have nobody that get into the paint at will with the ball.

I want someone to play off Simmons, thats why i said Fultz is ideal. Ball is a great addition too if that shot holds up. I like Smith as my next best because sometimes his shot is questionable, but he can get to the rim at will. I want a guy that can break down a D.

I don't think Monk can do that. I think he's an undersized 2-guard, he's fine at running around screens, but I guess this question will be answered best once we actually see Simmons ability to run point.

Monk, Luwawu, Korkmaz, Stauskas, all essentially do the same thing. Granted Monk's shot might be better than the others.

Why not get a true attacker like a Dennis Smith or a Fultz, to play with Luwawu and Korkmaz...who can ALSO defend the PG....

And...Markkanen is the best shooter in this draft I am convinced. He would be great next to Simmons and Embiid because he is a realiable knockdown shooter. Ilyasova is someone I consider resigning, however, he is getting old and I think Markkanen will be a better version of him.

Me and NegGauary disagree on spending $$$ on Jrue Holiday. I don't understand why you'd sign him, he'd be expensive, when you have so many PGs that project to be more athletic than him. I'd take Fultz, Ball, Smith, and I hold reservations on Ntilinka until I see him play more, but just based on stats alone, I like him better than spending money on Holiday.

Holiday to me, is low energy PG. He hasn't won crap or made anyone better in NO, I don't care about stats, I want an exciting player. He's low energy and hasn't shown he can win.

Covington is one of those low energy type players but he does the job because he's not the PG. I don't want my PG being apathetic on the court...

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Philly is currently selecting

Philly is currently selecting 5th overall. Fultz and Ball are 1 and 2. Orlando who is currently ahead of Philly at 4 will be looking at Smith very hard but assuming he is available let's look at your argument. It is not Fultz/Ball/Smith over Monk it's Smith over Monk because Fultz and Ball won't be availablr unless they win the lottery which they won last year.

As for Markannen and Isaac they have similar role projections to Saric. You just went through hell bringing Saric over and now your going to disrespect his underrated rookie season by drafting over him. The days of Hinkle love him or hate him are done. You can't do things like that it makes the team hate you and gets you fired. You gotta show your team commitment and trust you know those human emotions ana lyrics fail to measure. Saric is a really gritty player with some skill that is starting to blossom I think that he is a perfect PF for Simmons and Embiid especially when he sure up his shot.

Monk is a different level talent than Stauskas or Luwawu. He would be so deadly playing off of Simmons and Embiid. His release point is so high as well I really like his pro potential.

Another thing people are missing is Browns offense does not require a primary playmaker. I'm not a huge Philly fan and I don't watch every game but I've obviously watched them play. There's very little iso they are constantly swinging the ball finding places to screen and dive and use a lot of misdirection and ball movement.

If anything Dennis Smith is a horrendous fit for that offense as he has proved to be ineffective without two things. The ball in his hand and a clear path to the rim.

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It's too soon to be 100% sure

It's too soon to be 100% sure Ball is not available at 5. He is the consensus number 2, but the consensus is that he belongs to the same tier as Jackson, Smith, Isaac as a prospect. And there is still time and events remaining for him to lose his edge. He also appears to be a player that would not fit any coach or system, at least some think of him that way. Another point against that Ball availability at 5 is tanking. NBA teams other than the Lakers are clearly not tanking right now, which means that most if not all bottom NBA teams don't think it's worth doing so, probably because they think there are enough top talents this year not to, and the difference between them is not that big.

I don't think Monk is that good for Philly. His personal statistics are very similar to Murray last year from points, per, shooting, OBPM, DBPM, ORtg, DRtg. They have different athletic profile and secoundary skill profiles but they are crazy similar, and the very small edge Monk has should be attributed to a better team overall and a better PG in Fox. I personally would never consider trading that pick for Murray if I am Colangelo, why draft him? There should be many better players available in the 4-8 range.

Fit with Simmons is hypothetic at this point: we don't even know what position he will settle in.

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Monk is lighting it up and

Monk is lighting it up and can shoot. Thats what Philly needs. A guard that can shoot/score a ton. Monk's ability to score trumps his inefficiencies on the defensive end. Plus you can mold your backup guard position to primalrily defend. Same with the other starting guard spot.

Only concern for me is that in order for them to work this, Monk has to develop his ball handling and court vision because he will undoubtebly have to play the PG if they want to build this team into a contender down the road. I don't remember any teams with 6'2" Starting SGs winning championships recently. I think he can develop since he's still young and looks to have that extra gear.

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I really don't think benching

I really don't think benching Covington is the best option with how the sixers play right now and fit with Simmons. I'd rather have Simmons-Covington than Simmons-Markannen that's for sure.

Markannen is interesting as a fresher higher ceiling Ersan with Embiid but he probably is not the guy you want with Simmons, though we still need to see a little more of Simmons and "point guard Simmons" before being sure.

Korkmaz is young and there are only so many rookies/2 year guys you can develop. Keep Henderson one more year and stash him one more year seems right to me. Having 3 prospect as nly options at shooting guard is not really balanced. Also, he is more a SF from my understanding, being 6'8"/6'9" and not really a ballhandler.

I think the sixers need to draft a true combo guard (not an undersized 2 guard like Monk, nor an oversized 1 à la Ball) with Simmons. That's either Fultz or Ntilikina and that's probably the two best fits with Ben Simmons, with a starting lineup Simmons- Fultz or Ntilikina -Covington- Saric- Embiid. Ntilikina is perhaps too raw/young to start right now though and might fall in the draft, but his profile fits more.

Rather than drafting Markannen I believe the best strategy if you have both picks is to pick Ntilikina + BPA, picking Ntilikina with the secound of your picks. You could also trade that BPA pick for a star veteran in a package and still get upside with Ntilikina (you obviously don't in any lucky lottery scenario which nets you Fultz).

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Solid comparison. People

Solid comparison. People forget how good Gordon was in Chicago his first few seasons. I've floated around Bradley Beal as possible comparison for monk as well.

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I like Beal as a high end

I like Beal as a high end comp. Monk needs to improve his handles and get to the line more. Still has to show he can defend in NBA as he will be undersized for the two.

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I personally don't like.....

I personally don't like the Bradley Beal or Ben Gordon comparisons for Malik Monk

I think good and realistic camparions for Malik Monk are:

  • Lou Williams
  • Cuttino Mobley
  • Jared Cunningham
  • Rashad McCants

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I don't see Brad Beal at all

I don't see Brad Beal at all when I watch Monk. The only thing those two have in common are good 3-point shots. Beal's ball skills were better, he played a lot bigger and was a better defender in college by a large margin. Monk is the more expolosive scorer but Beal's all-around game was a lot better.

I like the Ben Gordon comparison myself given the size and playing style. Gordon was mostly a good outside shooter and while he was an ok athlete, he didn't really put it to use when it came to halfcourt offense. I see Monk as that same kind of player. He's good off the ball, running off screens and shooting 3s. Don't see the playmaking skills or other areas of his game that indicate star in the NBA.

Again with the Philly thing people are getting way way too caught up in just relying on Ben Simmons to handle the ball. Why would you want to have a team where one guy does all the ball handling and passing? You just end up with a team like the Bulls from a few years ago where it was all on Rose to make everything happen for his teammates. Like OKC now where its all on one guy. That's a bad way to build a good team. Be like the Spurs/Warriors. They have a bunch of guys who can pass, shoot, handle the ball, make plays. Not just one.

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I'd agree and say Monk is a

I'd agree and say Monk is a bit of a combo of Ben Gordon/Lou Williams/Hersey Hawkins.

This draft though, as strong as it is, Id like to see Philly trade for Avery Bradley and Garry Harris. let them play off the ball and defend the backcourt. Simmons can have the ball as the 3. I think these three with Saric and Embiid would be a very tough matchup for anyone. McConnell, Luwawu, Korkmaz, Holmes, Noel makes a young bench that can grow together. They have some high draft picks and Okafor to move to make this happen.

Of course, if they got a top 2 or 3 pick its a different story, but I think tBradley and Harris are both a very good fit and realistic targets. Boston has surplus guards and has proven it can win without Bradley, while Jamal Murray and Barton can cover the loss of Harris for Denver.

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.........

For me at the moment he combines Lou and Leandro Barbosa, pro scorer, bucket getter, chucker like lou minus the FTA stuff(crap),. a better of ball player than lou.

High pace, 3's, catch and shoot, fastbreak, runner, cutter, freakish athleticism, a dunkin LB.

Your big time 6th men.

Now he's just 19 if he improves his D and all around game, he's a 20+ pts starter, if not he's a perennial 6th men of the year contender, .

He'll be fine, he'll help a team right away in PO contention as a double digit rookie bencher.

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could be a lot like cj

could be a lot like cj maccullom in the nba...

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