Always thought adding Vince would not help that team.Celtics were the best team in the east by far from start of the season. Only injury could derail their eventual finals appearance. So the Magic coming up short is not a big time failure. What do they do next?
Its confusing to me how a team can be so lifeless for 3 games..Then blowout a team 2 games in a row...Then go lifeless again...Dwight Howard is the best center in the NBA..But he shouldn't be their 1st option..Becuz his offensive game isn't complete yet..His moves are predictable..But game by game its getting better..He should be their number 2 option..They thought they were getting that 1st option when they traded for Vince Carter..But he's more of a role player at this point of his career not the guy that could takeover games...They need a power forward that can rebound,create plays and hit outside shots someone like Kevin Love would be perfect..Or maybe bring Turkuglo back...Even though Nelson made the Allstar team he's still not a reliable playmaker..J-will is the only real ball handler on that team..And its time Rashard Lewis was sent packing..Gortat is a valuable commodity they should see what he's worth in a trade..
I agree with you and Carter definately wasn't the way to go.
Think a guy like love would help them with his passing and rebounding. They need a real point guard IMO. I like Jameer, but not as a playmaker. They need someone who can brake down the D force help and get Howard a lot of dunks by dumping down. More dribblers who can slash. J- will is the only ballhandler on that team and he is older.
i think the carter experiment failed. Its certainly not all his fault, but he was not better then hedo turkoglu. I also would have liked to have seen Bass get more consistent minutes. And as good as reddick was, they started riding him a little too much. Pietrus was huge in gaurding lebron last year andf them advancing. Again, not blaming this on reddick or any one player, but just opinions.
Overall, they do not have to make any serious adjustments in my book. Just try and get some draft picks and improve from within more then anything
Magics are alright but they need to get some consistency from guys who they are paying a lot of money too. They also need to move Gortat because this year he has given them nothing. Last year he played like he has some sense i guess it was all for that contract. lewis plays too scared. A good shooter should shoot. That is his job. He is not good enough at other stuff not to focus on shooting. I would have rather he take at least 15 shots. I am not talking about taking it off the dribble and throwing something up. I mean catching the ball and shooting it before the defense is ready. Orlando is a nice team but they are too predictable if Howard is not double teamed. This last game it look like they were lost and without energy. I dont understand it. It is like they just didnt care. I am starting to think maybe the NBA is rigged. How else could players just play like that have no engery at all. I mean they played with energy in the other games so where did it go. If Orlando would have played with some energy instead of playing tight they could have won this because Boston to me is running on fumes. Isnt it interesting how Nate is starting to get minutes after not playing for most of the other series. Boston is wearing down and they needed someone fresh . Rondo got hurt because he wasnt playing at full strength. I doubt he would have been able to play that many minutes at the pace he was going without getting sidelined.
I will agree the only natural passer on that team is J will. The need another guy who can pass well and see get Howard easy shots. The ones Nelson game him were nice but you could tell they were plays that they worked on it was not just a natural move. Joe Johnson would be perfect for the Magic but they have not chance of getting him.
I think they were a better team with Turkoglu (although it wouldn't have been a good long term plan to resign him), plus they had to trade Courtney Lee to get Carter, and I thought Lee could have also helped them in the series against Boston.
I'll take Turkoglu and Courtney Lee over Vince Carter.
the interesting thing is that they could have easily had both vince and hedo. They gave bass and gortat 10 million while not matching the 10 mill hedo got. They could have resigned hedo instead of bass and gortat and it would not have impacted the vince trade at all.
The C's are not on fumes. They have not gone 7 with the 2 best record holders in the league. The older players sat a lot of games that could have been won in the regular season. They were sat so they can win games now. Peirce is fresh,KG is fresh. Yes they are banged up here and there, but every team is at this stage. They are fresh and ready to win a title.
The Magic threw too much money around, signing Bass was unnecessary especially after matching the offer sheet for Gortat.
The 3 pt shooting is streaky the problem is they don't have much of low post game.
Howard is a beast rebounding, blocking shots and playing D but definately not on offense.
Trading Courtney Lee might come back to really hurt them, gotta admit I thought he was nothing special but obviously he's so young.
Vince Carter proved he couldn't be that star player to get it done.
Not sure how they can move Rashard Lewis in a trade his contract is huge I would consider moving him to SF though.
The real question is will this team ever be great enough to win it all, I don't see it unless they make some real changes. How about a bigger traditional PF who rebs and scores in the post.
Good pt about Nelson he's not a pure PG he does have a good contract signed for 3 more yrs at 22 mill.
Regarding the Celtics health 5 days off will help KG, Pierce, Allen, Rasheed Wallace.
Nate needs to get more mins he's very athletic and provides a spark off the bench.
Between him and Wallace they can definately spread the defense.
Anyway who else do the Celtics have at the Guard position coming off the bench Tony Allen but he's not a 3 pt threat.
I think they need a more conventional PF instead of Rashard Lewis, obviously they don't have the cap room to sign a legit PF or trade for one because they have alot of overpaid players. Perhaps they can get someone in the draft like Craig Brackins who is a perfect PF in their system, he has good post game, decent rebounder, and is even capable of hitting 3 pointers. I still see them as a contender next year, I just think they need to pair Dwight with a legit PF.
The Magic need to move Shard from the four to the three. He has the ability to post up three's as we saw him do to Pierce to go along with the his outside shooting. Dwight Howard can make up for his defensive shortcomings this will allow him to be fully maximized. Then the Magic need to make a move for a true four like touched upon above, although not enough money to do this in FA they can make a trade. Marcin Gortat could be a starter for a lot of teams around the league and could end up being moved to help further this team. Third they need to add depth behind Jameer, cause while he does help with his scoring ability he has horrible vision at the point.
Now if they choose to keep Shard at the four the biggest need would be a point-forward. While Hedo is not very consistent he did provide mismatches and an extra ball handler. There are a lot of ways the Magic could improve and hopefully they do.
Any team like the Magic or Sun will never win a title. They will get close, but when it comes down to it a team can't relay on shooting three pointers to win games. Live by the three die by the three. We've been hearing that since we first picked up a ball. Unless you have a dominant offensive center like a prime Shaq, that style of play will never work. I like Dwight, but he's just not there yet. Watching Perkins man him up, and his team not getting the double team was sad because they had no other weapons after that point.
Although he isn't a great player, Turkoglu was a guy who fit in well, set up his teammates, and the chemistry with him was just right.
Vince Carter is a "one on one" guy who needs the ball. And setting up teammates isn't one of his strengths. In my opinion, inserting Vince Carter changed the team chemistry in a negative way.
These are the kinds of flaws that sometimes don't show up until you're in the playoffs going up against top flight teams every night.
Im a huge carter fan, he is my favorite player by far. but I gotta admit, the reason the Magic failed to advance further is because of VC.
He is suppose to be the guy that carry the load for them down the road, score key baskets and take over games. He is still capable of doing that, but he did not shown up this year in the playoffs and in the regular season.
Im happy for him that he is on a great team, and made his first conference final appearance, but Im also disappointed that he did not take this opportunity to show people he still got game.
Most of you think the Magic need to start a legit PF next to Dwight and I agree with you but I honestly don't think they need to add one.
They should just give Bass a legit chance to start and increase Ryan Anderson's minutes off the bench. I also think they should go with Howard and Gortat more often in certain lineups and take advantage of their size to dominate the boards. They already have a deep front court with alot of money tied into key players.
It would be great if we could get rid of Lewis but with his ridiculous contract running for another three years that is next to impossible.
However having Vince Carter actually gives us some flexibilty; one option which is almost a pipe dream on my part is that Tracy McGrady signs a MLE to come play for us. He would be coming back to the team where he had his best years, close to his hometown, would get to play with his cousin once again and would perhaps be able to get rid off the label that he can't win in the playoffs. That being said he would have to take a major pay cut in order to do that and he probably won't be willing to do that even with the hope of completing his career with a championship.
The other option is that since VC has an expiring 17 million dollar contract next year we could possibly use him as a trading chip in order to improve.