Mad props to Kevin Love
Has a good chance of breaking the record!
Feeling the Love
Minnesota's Kevin Love tallied his 40th straight double-double, which ranks third on the list for most consecutive in a single season since the merger.
* Active streak
Damn look at the company he's in. This guy is a monster.
I hope he breaks the record, just being on that list is impressive.
He is a double double machine. Minnesota should feel lucky to have a player like him.
It sure is impressive.
But it is still worthless, because Kevin Love fails to win more than 25 games in a season.
Kevin Love doesn't fail to win 25 games per season, the T-Wolves do. Im sick of hearin people sayin that he wouldnt be this great if he was on any half decent team in the NBA. Give the dude some respect, he is killin it and he would easily still be a double double machine on any team in the league. Maybe not grabing damn near 16 boards a game but the dude would still avg. a double double, no doubt in my mind.
Kevin Love is having a historical season, but the Timberwolves aren't any better than they were last season. They're probably worse.
His numbers are impressive, but they don't lead to a lot of wins, so what does it all mean at the end of the day?
Just give the man credit for what he has done. Lots of bad teams have players that don't put the effort into their games that Kevin does. Look at Cousins, more talented but keeps showing why he is a loser.
"Just give the man credit for what he has done. Lots of bad teams have players that don't put the effort into their games that Kevin does. Look at Cousins, more talented but keeps showing why he is a loser. "
How much effort exactly have you seen him commit to playing defense? If you want to call DeMarcus Cousins a loser, you should probably also note that they have the same career winning percentage and that the big difference between the two (other than Cousins being more talented) is that the Kings aren't letting Cousins call the shots while Kevin Love's crying about being held accountable for not playing defense has cut Rambis off at the knees and resulted in Love playing 40 minutes per with the team not being any better for it. That just goes to show the value of the double-double streak.
This is ridiculous for anyone to doubt him. he's averaging over 20 points and 15 rebounds per game! He was the first person to have a 30-30 game in thirty years. sure hes on a crappy team but thats not his fault.. there is young talent on that team and he needs people that can handle the ball and not turn the ball over all the time. it sure as hell helps his rebounding numbers when hes such an offensive rebound freak and the rest of the team is firing up jump shots all over. the fact is, kevin love is putting up crazy numbers and is having a hell of a year and you shouldnt take anything away from him simply because his team can't win. he isn't kobe bryant where in a bad year, he can just score 35 a night and make it into the playoffs. no team can do that in the west anymore.
"How much effort exactly have you seen him commit to playing defense? If you want to call DeMarcus Cousins a loser, you should probably also note that they have the same career winning percentage and that the big difference between the two (other than Cousins being more talented) is that the Kings aren't letting Cousins call the shots while Kevin Love's crying about being held accountable for not playing defense has cut Rambis off at the knees and resulted in Love playing 40 minutes per with the team not being any better for it. That just goes to show the value of the double-double streak. "
Both teams played hard makes a very good point here!
How much value does the streak have? If Rambis was trying to imply defense and allowed to imply defensive efforts Love would still be getting around 25-mpg. You see it all the time, its like Rambis is forced to be gentle with these guys. Joking around with Beasley on playing defense. On the Lakers Love wouldnt get the time of day with Jackson, Rivers would give him big baby type minutes until he learned some defense (o and he would learn some defense).
The problem is hes stuck in a washed up organization with a washed up system that just does anything they can for a bit of publicity. Its th same with Toronto, they bend over backwards to make Bargnani their 1st option, to justify the 1st ooverall selection, in a weak draft, when they have a young man in Demar Derozan averaging 16-ppg, on 47% shooting, and only 1.6 turnovers per game from the gaurd position. Maybe if Bargnani averaged 30-mpg at PF, and Toronto had a true center playing the 5, and allowed Derozan to develop as the 1st option they would compete in games. Unsuccessful organizations look for quick ways to make cash, successful ones look to make winning teams. Quick cash burns fast, but diamands are forever.
Individually, great. But team wise not so great because they still win alot of games. Just like Blake and the ?Clippers, i think there record is actually worst then it was last year at this same point. Doesn't take away from what they are doing individually though( if it did they wouldn't be All Stars or Love and Eric Gordan wouldn't have made the pre-Olympic team. So for the record these guys are still good players on bad teams
And dont forget about the two top options in Toronto. Both are very bad defenders on a bad team but good players. Love is not alone as you can see.
Derozan is not that bad of a defender but you are right hes got some work to do.
And it does take away from what they are doing individually because winning teams have capable defenders on the floor,if you cant defend you lose. If Love was on a winning team he wouldnt get minutes unless he could deend plain and simple. Same with Griffin. Ever ask yourself why carter and McGrady never won titles, or why McGrady didnt get minutes on Toronto? Just because you are a great offensive talent doesnt mean you only play on one end of the court, because thats how you end up losing games.
Check out the Synergy sports thing.Derozen is that bad of a defender, the numbers don't lie
He relies too much on his teammates, and needs to start taking initiative and stopping players himself. Im not sure you can be a good defender on the Raptors this year, its like an oxymoron. Although it is true he has a long way to go on that end of the floor, and that has been stressed this year.
I dont know why people would even hate on Love.
Yall say that he's getting all these numbers because he's on a losing team. The thing is, when you average 20 and 15 in todays nba, it aint even a question what kind of team you are on. A Rebound is a rebound, I dont see blake doin it, gettin 40 straight double doubles gettin a 30,30 i dont see anybody else doin it, no matter what team they are on, nobody from the cavs are doing it, brook lopez aint doin it, aint nobody gettin 20 points and 15 rebounds while while shooting lights out from the 3 point line other than love. The thing is, at the end of the day, you can say all you want about kevin love's game, or his team. But you can't deny that he has talent, you cant deny him being the BEST rebounder in the nba. You can't deny that he is doing something that NOBODY has ever done. There has been nobody in NBA history, in the whole time that the nba has been here that has been grabbing 15 rebounds AND shooting 43% from 3 almost 90% from the stripe. Nobody no matter how bad of a team they were in has done that. Only Moses the GREAT moses malone, the hall of famer moses malone has done that. And i'm not saying that love is better than any of these guys, but at the end of the day. You cant deny that Love has PRODUCED
I was using Cousins as an example of a kid that has a ton of talent and could be helping his team win more games instead of throwing punches at teammates and getting suspended. My point is that Love gets more out of his ability than others would. The double-double streak is another historic mark that Love has achieved this year and while his defence needs work, there are a lot of other NBA players that don't play good defence and don't add more to their games than scoring.
Listen stf616 its this simple. His defense is not good enough to get minutes on a losing team. He gets minutes on a losing team because they dont care about defense. Thats why they lose. Therefore hes a good player on a losing team.
Ive always had Love for Love the thing is, people are taking this too far. What hes accomplishing is amazing, but he needs to play some D plain and simple.
Thats not true.Most of the good players in the NBA aren't good defenders.
I'm interested to your opinion on who are the good players are that are bad defenders?
Rudy Gay ( i was surprised but he actually isn't a very good defender)
Aldridge( i thought he was a good defender until i looked at the numbers from Synergy sports)
There are many more but thats off the top of my head
"I was using Cousins as an example of a kid that has a ton of talent and could be helping his team win more games instead of throwing punches at teammates and getting suspended. My point is that Love gets more out of his ability than others would. The double-double streak is another historic mark that Love has achieved this year and while his defence needs work, there are a lot of other NBA players that don't play good defence and don't add more to their games than scoring."
How is Love getting more out of his ability when in fact he was challenged to perform defensively by Kurt Rambis and instead of responding like a pro and working on that end cried to management and the media. Now, he is getting his minutes and numbers, but the team is in no way better for it. He is playing selfish bum basketball. Guess what, contesting a shot and making the proper defensive rotations are every bit as important as a rebound. Every bit, but because it is not quantified it doesn't mean it is insignificant. If it didn't matter, then Minnesota wouldn't be 13-41. If all that mattered was what is quantifiable, the Warriors wouldn't stink. The Spurs wouldn't have the best record in the game by five games.
Quincey, not every star is a good defender, but most commit to working within a defensive scheme. When they slack off and get benched (Boozer, Lopez, Gordon, and Carter have been), they don't dismiss it and cry to the media about not knowing why they didn't play. Some people need a reminder to work defensively. Some guys slack off defensively when things aren't going well for them offensively. It happens, but they are accountable for it. Phil Jackson doesn't just let Bynum get his normal minutes when he has one of his games where he misses a few early shots and then sulks and allows his defense to slack. That isn't what good teams do.
I agree with a majority except for a few
Michael Redd? He was a defensive specialist originally
Al Jefferson is bad, but he tries at that end
Amare has been trying for the most part this season but is still bad
But i actually agree with that list for the most part
I made a list of bad defenders, never said if they gave effort or not. Was asked to make a list of bad defenders and i did. Micheal Redd was a never a defensive specialist. you got him confused with someone else.
And many bad defenders don't know why they get benched because in there mind they think they are playing good defense or didn't do anything wrong. I've seen super stars do that. I saw Jordan do that during a Bullets game when i was younger because he messed up on a defensive assignment a couple of times, then yell at the coach then ended up getting the Coach fired( think it was Collins off the top of my head). Point being at one point or another Alot of star players have done that( or should i say...AllStar players since Love is a Allstar;)
Michael Redd when coming out of college was regarded as a defensive specialist, drafted in the 2nd round, he was never expected to make much of an impact on the offensive end if he lasted in the NBA, and i think within 3 years be become more renowned for his offense then his D, but still was a top notch defender. But other then that i like your list.
Did you just use Jordan as an example of a bad defender or am I reading that wrong?
Effort is an integral part of defending; the problem we have with Love is that he doesn't give 100% defensively like he does on offence. Griffin at the moment is being rested defensively because they need his offence so much right now, but he has shown the potential to be a good defender when he is allowed to burn energy at that end.
This stats obsession is getting out of hand. Defensively, numbers don't do a good job of gauging how well someone defends. D is mainly about intangibles, and there's only one way to see those, that is by watching the players.
Congratulations to Love for getting his numbers, but these records and awards are only meaningful if they result in wins. Yes, Lebron James might join Larry Bird as one of the few winners of three consecutive MVP winners, but Larry won two championships with those awards, and was hindered by injury the year he didn't. The same can be said for Kevin Love; if he was great beyond statistics, his team would be winning more games and at least be in the playoff race.