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my bad

I hella forgot about kevin love ( another double double guy)..kirk hinrich is decent don't forget the birdman!!!hahaha

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Love, Kaman, and Lee are

Love, Kaman, and Lee are nice, but there's a major drop off after that. And I wouldn't quite call any of them stars...very good though

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I was about to say how do you

I was about to say how do you got 3 player deep and pop up with Hayward lol. There are more white players in the League and to me David Lee is the best. Chris Kaman is probably second. Kirk Hinrich is 3rd especially when he gets minutes.

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Heinrich is NOT better than

Heinrich is NOT better than Kevin Love...

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Put him on a team like the

Put him on a team like the Magic, Lakers, Warriors, Suns, or a team with a ball-dominant guard and Jimmer Freddette will be very good at the NBA level. His numbers will probably only be slightly less than Curry's in those situations.

He plays nothing like Matt Bouldin really. Bouldin is a 6'5 PG without the speed and athleticism to drive to the rim, even with pick and roll play. Freddette has some wiggle in him and can get to the rim, even with an entire defense geared to stop him. Bouldin is like Jon Scheyer, as both have to create offense for themselves almost strictly around the the 3-point line because they lack the ability to slash much. Freddette is nothing like that.

Watch next year, I believe Freddette will lead the nation in scoring and even if he doesn't he's at least be top 10. That guy is not Matt Bouldin. They don't play nearly the same lol. The only similarities are that they both can shoot, aren't great athletes, and are white.

Just watch. It's way too early to write him off anyway.

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I just don't see his game

I just don't see his game crossing over, and he can lead the country in scoring all he wants, they have NOTHING else but him, so of course he's gonna score. He's got some wiggle, but is it enough when he's being guarded by real defensive minded players, not players from the Mountain West? LOL...don't forget Reddick and Morrison lead college in scoring as well, and they're not any kind of stars I would write home about...Numbers like Curry? Wow, LMAO, we shall see...

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Remember, he's proven himself

Remember, he's proven himself against quality competition. He played well against Kansas State, Florida, dominated the MWC which had 3 NCAA tourny teams last year if I'm not mistake, so it's not like he played in a bad conference especially for a mid-major. He had 49 points on Arizona last year, and he also had a 23 point game head-to-head against Jeff Teague as a Sophomore. This guy isn't just putting up numbers on bad teams. And he's doing it with entire defenses drawn up to stop him.

He can get to the rim in the pick and roll with ease, and the NBA is a pick and roll league. Think about how J.J. Redick and Adam Morrison scored and how Morrison scored and compare it with how Freddette gets his points.

I'm not understanding the comparisons you're throwing out....None of the players you are throwing out play like Freddette. And they also don't score with the ball like Freddette does, all need screens to get their JUMP SHOTS off. Freddette can slash to the rim and score, and he can shoot the ball. He's more versatile as a scorer than them

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Yeah, but the NBA is a long

Yeah, but the NBA is a long league, where as in college you don't see big, big guys like he will on a nightly basis in the league. No matter all the stats you bring up doesn't PROVE he will succeed at the next level. I just don't buy it, don't see him being a factor in the NBA, maybe a role player, but he won't be anywhere that will need him to control the ball and be the main focus on a team.

As for the comparisons, I'm not saying he is JJ Redick or Adam Morrison at all, I'm just stating the facts that those guys were monster scorers in college as is Freddette, but it didn't crossover to the league. And JJ Redick played against far better competition than Freddette. And yes, the pick and roll game is a big part of the NBA, but he lacks the speed to be that kind of guy, he's not super quick, he's shifty...

Time will tell...we can agree to disagree...

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byu is actually a pretty good

byu is actually a pretty good team. what fredette will have to learn to do will be to score without having to dribble alot or create his own shot. he will need to learn to score more off of screens and pick and roll because he wont be a top option on any nba team but more importantly he will need to learn to do other things well because teams will have better scorers so he will need to learn to be a better passer and a better defender. pretty much all guards can score so he will need to be very very good at somethign else to seperate his self unless hes a nba elite scorer which i dont think he will be.

i dont think hes steph curry but i see him more as a eddie house/non athletic nate robinson(taller of course) type who comes in the game to score off the bench. all the other stuff he will need to learn would be based on him becoming a starter

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thank you...

thank you...

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It is no secret why there are

It is no secret why there are more black players in the NBA.

It is a fact that black people are generally more gifted athletically when talking about explosiveness. The key word of course, is GENERALLY, because there are always exceptions, but don't see how that can even be argued. This also the most the most important attribute a player can have in basketball. Sure a player can become great without being a great athlete, but if you can jump high and run fast you have a great advantage over a player that can't.

I'm not dismissing that there are social factors that play a part as well, but thats not a major factor imo.

Thats said, Larry Bird is the &$#%#&@! and would still be a great player today. I would see him bulking up a little and playing more power forward than small forward. He would still torch defenders with his insane bball IQ and ball skills. Also people forget that he was a very capable rebounder too. He would prolly be close to average defensively because the league is faster paced, but playing against slower power forwards would help in that area.

Sorry I know I'm a little late on these topics but I couldn't post for a while.

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Thank you what? You said he

Thank you what?

You said he was like Matt Bouldin lmao....Eddie House and Nate Robinson are not Matt Bouldin if you don't watch basketball

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You take things too

You take things too seriously...calm down. He's no Larry Bird either...your the one saying he will be a star, not me...

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And I didn't mean he was

And I didn't mean he was exactly like Bouldin, quit reading too much into things. Bouldin had a successful college career and has yet to be found in the NBA, that's what the meaning of my comparison was, and he is like a smaller version of Bouldin. If you don't agree, sue me. It's my opinion, you don't have to agree...god knows I don't agree with you about Freddette...

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Even if he's Eddie House, is

Even if he's Eddie House, is that a big enough star as your claiming he'll be??? No, so once again, Thank You

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LOL, where did I say star?

LOL, where did I say star? And I'm reading too much into things.......Smh.

You said he was like Matt Bouldin with "less driven PG skills" (whatever that means). I said he was like a slightly less talented Stephen Curry. Now how is that like saying he's a star. Never did I say he would be a star.

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http://www.akawhitejesus.com/

http://www.akawhitejesus.com/

this guy was sure athletic 44 inch vertical

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Well for one thing, naming

Well for one thing, naming the top ten PG's in five years, you vouched for some guy who named Jimmer Freddette!

"Jimmer Freddette! He has a chance to be very good. He's alot like Stephen Curry, but a little less talented. He has a chance to be a very good NBA player. I expect him to lead the nation in scoring next year too."

So what is very good then??? If he averages 12-5, it's not "very good", so what is your point, you've been waffling about how you view this, he's a VERY GOOD player one minute, and then you say he's not a star...make up your mind. Comparing the guy to Steph Curry, LMAO, where do you see that? Steph actually knows how to pass!!!

Your comparing him to Curry, or a little less than Curry who just averaged 17.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, and 5.9 apg...Freddette will not come close to those numbers, pass whatever it is your smoking sir, please!

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It's really easy to see what

It's really easy to see what less PG skills means, Freddette doesn't pass the ball...he has A LOT to work on...

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Lol, alright man. I said he

Lol, alright man. I said he was a slightly less talented version of Stephen Curry. That's not a star

I said he is being slept on. I DEFINITELY haven't said he was a top 10 PG, so who even knows what you're talking about. I also said in the next sentence, that it was entirely too early to make a top 10 list. Once again, you're reading too much into what's going on.

"If he averages 12-5, it's not "very good", so what is your point, you've been waffling about how you view this, he's a VERY GOOD player one minute, and then you say he's not a star...make up your mind."

If he can average 12 ppg and 5 apg as a rookie, that's not very good? Yeah it is...

How can a guy with nearly 5 apg "not pass the ball"? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

There is a big difference between being a very good player and a star. I never in my life said Fredette will be a star. I have said he'll be a very good player. Example: Andre Iguodala is a very good player, but would you consider him a star? Same thing for a guy like LaMarcus Aldridge.

I haven't changed my stance 1 time, so who knows what you're talking about there....

NOTHING you have said makes since or is the same thing I've said. If anything, YOU are the one who has changed their stance. You went from saying Fredette was a "less driven PG" version of Matt Bouldin, to saying "Thank you" when Quincey compared Fredette to Eddie House or Nate Robinson. You are a big hypocrite and then you try to make it like I've changed anything I've said?! Are you serious?

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Anybody think Kyle Singler

Anybody think Kyle Singler from Duke has a chance in the L? I don't watch too much college ball, but as far as white Americans go he was fairly impressive. He's well coached too and staying 4 years in college will only make him better. He'll probably develop more after another year in college than with a team like Minnesota.

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He'll probably be a middle or

He'll probably be a middle or likely end rotation player, likely in a Luke Walton type role. It depends on if you like Walton and think he's good (I don't personally) as to whether you think Singler has success I'd say.

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Yeah I think he could come in

Yeah I think he could come in and contribute on a stacked team like the Lakers. The Walton comparison is a good one.

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If you watch him play, he

If you watch him play, he controls the ball 90% of the time that BYU has it. He gets4 assists or so off of guys being open and because he controls the ball. I would hope if you have the ball in your hands EVERY single play of the game, that you could muster 4 assists...should be WAY more.

Whatever, he's not gonna be successful in the NBA, that's MY POINT, not gonna try to convince you with things that don't make since (it's actually 'sense' smart guy). ANd he has a lot better chance being Matt Bouldin than Steph Curry, LOL...

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I don't know if I'd make the

I don't know if I'd make the Walton-Singler comparison. Singler is a more established scorer than Walton ever was. Walton's strength has always been his unselfishness and ability to play like a point-SF, unfortunately he is not good enough to have the ball in his hand in the NBA so that limits his ability.

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^Human spell check?

^Human spell check? lmao...Wow

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Yeah true, he's not all that

Yeah true, he's not all that much like Walton. I don't think his scoring will translate though, except for his shooting, and even that's inconsistent. I would compare him to Luke Babbitt, but obviously Babbitt hasn't played in the NBA

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You just compared Walton to

You just compared Walton to Singler, but you can talk about my comparisons??? LMAO buddy, seriously?

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Get off my nuts. This is

Get off my nuts. This is ridiculous.....

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I'll clarify my comparison in

I'll clarify my comparison in terms of his production/contribution, not what type of player he is.

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Haha, you mad???

Haha, you mad???

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Never mad....Seems like you

Never mad....Seems like you just wanna argue with me. Which is quite funny but also a sign of inferiority

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dipt should just back off

dipt should just back off like RTBT did.

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I've told you many times that

I've told you many times that I didn't wanna argue with you, so I don't get what your saying. Inferiority? Never that my friend

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How is Kevin Love better than

How is Kevin Love better than Hinrich. Hinrich used to be a very good point guard before injuries and Rose derailed that.

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dipt1982

It's "you're," not "your."

Grammar Police in the buildin', shuttin' ya whole forum down.....

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"How is Kevin Love better

"How is Kevin Love better than Hinrich. Hinrich used to be a very good point guard before injuries and Rose derailed that."

So USED to be a very good PG means what? Is he a good PG now? As of this minute right now, Love is better than Hinrich...

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If you want to talk about

If you want to talk about anyone who has potential (and I can't stress that word enough) to be a US born white star in the near future, it would have to be Mason Plumlee in my opinion. He has size, athletic ability, and a fair amount of skill as well. If he can develop while at Duke he has the upside to really be an impact player in the league. Of course, there is no way to tell if that will ever happen.

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