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Well for one thing, I'm not

Well for one thing, I'm not sure most black athletes want to be QB's, they would rather be the flashy wideout, or the flashy running back. And honestly, I'm not trying to be offensive at all guys, but it seems to me that there are a small number of black athletes that can handle the workload given to QB's. There is so much preparation that QB's go through everyday. Prime example, it took Vince Young 4-5 years to finally start learning the QB role efficiently. McNabb is just a stud, smart, athletic and has a cannon arm. But for the most part, black athletes aren't strong enough mentally (not saying there stupid, no offense to anyone) to handle the responsibility of a full playbook and everything that comes with being an NFL QB...

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Dude, its simple why QB's are

Dude, its simple why QB's are white.

The prototypical QB hands the ball off, makes accurate passes, doesn't make dumb plays. Doesn't involve running!

So, from a young age--the white kid who is a step slower but has a good arm plays QB. Whereas the Black QB who is quicker and has a good arm plays WR or RB because they are better there than the White QB.

Also--As good as a running QB may sound, it doesn't translate to wins. Football is much more disciplined of a sport--Guys like Manning, Brees, and Brady are elite QB's because they follow the script. Running QB's are often too quick to run and they make the game more reckless which is not good for a team.

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^^^ Exactly

^^^ Exactly

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This guy seems pretty good

This guy seems pretty good and athletic to me...:

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i never played football

i never played football growing up, but if was a coach, first thing i would do when handing out positions would be to find my fastest guys and set them at the skill positions. If this happens to be mostly the black kids, then obviously that takes away from the black qb candidates.

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gordan hayward is pretty good

gordan hayward is pretty good and a decent athlete. But if you have to bring gordan hayward into the argument to validate how whites are equal athletically, then its a losing battle.

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No, I know I was just saying.

No, I know I was just saying. I am not racist or anything but blacks tend to be the better athletes and whites tend to have higher basketball IQ's.

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You might have to study up a bit on what teams are looking for now days in a QB. You are struggling.
As of now, youth teams are looking for the Tebow/Steve Young/Slash style QB's that can run first and create big plays. You are basing your thoughts on your "very own " oppinion without facts to back it up. I'm very involved with youth football and your thoughts are out-dated at best. As for receivers they are looking for kids that can catch and will agressively pursue the ball as well listen to instruction.

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Your last statement might be the definition af racist.

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bball iq is not race thing to

bball iq is not race thing to me. Peopel just point out a players iq more often when they are not athletic becasue it stands out more where as a great athlete might have the same or even greater bbal iq but it doesnt get as much creidt becasue they do things great athleitcly to make the game look easy. Thats really not a race issue. KObe,Jordan, CP3, Magic Ill take theri bbal iq anyday just as i would stocktons or birds.

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No... guys have been fired for saying same or similar things during broadcasts. It's definately racist.

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The thing is, whether the athleticism stereotype is a cop-out or not, there is a lack of white american players in the NBA. It doesn't matter if a white player can't be athletic like a LeBron James or Josh Smith. Those guys are in a realm of their own. The main idea of my point that you are missing is that how are white international players are more successful than the white American players relatively speaking? Whether black guys are better basketball athletes, it doesn't matter when there are white international players that out play white Americans in the NBA. There is something going on with the culture we live in as Americans. Euro players don't have to grow up hearing that basketball is a black man's sport. They play it and they become good at it whether they are up to par athletically or not, and the fact is, there are better white international players than there are white Americans. It's because white Americans are discouraged to play basketball just because the black man is more suited to play basketball. I don't see that stopping international guys from being successful like Pau or Dirk or having some significant part on a NBA team.

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I have to fight the urge to

I have to fight the urge to mention gordon haywards sister every time i see him mentioned

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Got a picture?

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Best athlete...

Voted the best athlete of the last 100 yrs was Jim Thorpe... Native American.

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"You might have to study up a

"You might have to study up a bit on what teams are looking for now days in a QB. You are struggling."

Ha, are you kidding? I know and enjoy football more than basketball. I know my &$#%#&@!, trust me.

"As of now, youth teams are looking for the Tebow/Steve Young/Slash style QB's that can run first and create big plays."

Yeah, because youth teams don't pass very much! Very young kids have trouble throwing so it's rare to find a youth team that passes more than 5 yrds down the field.

"You are basing your thoughts on your "very own " oppinion without facts to back it up. I'm very involved with youth football and your thoughts are out-dated at best. As for receivers they are looking for kids that can catch and will agressively pursue the ball as well listen to instruction."

You're involved with little kid football. I'm talking grown man football. Once kids can start throwing, they're put at QB. 6 year olds can't throw so yea they're going to be runners. From a young age I meant when kids start playing school football (middle school-JV), I should've been more specific I apologize.

You don't need to explain me the roles of WR's. I played WR for 10 years I know what coaches want and what makes a good receiver. Speed is the first thing most coaches look for. The other things can be taught (agressiveness, making the right cuts, etc)

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By the way, I was a volunteer

By the way, I was a volunteer Pee Wee coach a couple years ago.

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I agree llperez If all a

I agree llperez

If all a black person has to do was be athletic than James White and Gerald Green would be in the NBA.

Josh Smith can do more than just dunk but shooting was not one of his gifts. He can play defense decent and great when focused. His dribbling skills are really not that bad considering he is 6'9". His biggest problem is playing out of position and with similiar skilled players. Josh Smith when he came in was called a future bust and he worked hard and last year he put up All Star numbers. Looking at his weaknesses does not make him just an athlete and having low basketball IQ.

I think in the next 20 years there will be a white person to star in the NBA but he will have to be mentally tough and maybe work harder than every other player like he may need a Kobe work ethic because there will be a lot of hater early on who will mean well but be about negativity. I am black but I actually can't wait to see a white player be a star. Most of the white player that come into the league that I like their game i give them props. People only look at me knocking on Gordan Hayward though. They forget I was give mad props to Aldrich and was saying people that compared him to Ostertag id not know what they were talking about.

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It's based on what the high school coaches are asking/looking for in a QB! They have them running/using the high school play book.
Aggressiveness can not be taught... you have it or you don't. And the little kids as you call them can hit their receivers on stride 40 yds down field.

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yeah, we're on the same page

yeah, we're on the same page there sheltwon.

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This is a fact whether or not

This is a fact whether or not you want to admit it:
White people are generally less athletic than black people

There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

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Spencer

Depends on your definition.

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Your wrong spence

Your wrong spence

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Well, regardless the pro

Well, regardless the pro football game is a passing game. Disciplined pocket QB's excel over anything right now. Mcnabb became elite when he stopped running so much and became a drop-back passer.

You are correct in saying different HS have different styles of offense, though. I suppose the reason I stated may have been incorrect about the youth playing QB. But, it doesn't take away from the other point

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No i am not wrong. It's a

No i am not wrong. It's a FACT hang out with white and black people like I have my whole life. Its painfully obvious.

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Iv Norsemen

imagine she looked like this
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and then try not to be too disappointed when you discover that she looks like this

http://www.butlersports.com/sports/w-tennis/mtt/hayward_heather00.html

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Spencer

Didn't say you were wrong... I said it depends on your definition.

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i really dont see any real

i really dont see any real argurment for whites being equal athletically. Someone mught bring up some random sport like gymansts where blacks hardly even compete, but in sports where both races compete heavily, blacks have an athletic advantage. And i saw it growing up first hand. There were 6 foot black dudes dunking on the regular and when 1 white guy did it, people were always like "man white boy got ups" like it was something out of the ordinary. This has been the case for the last 20 years since i started playing ball. Are there some great white athletes? of course absolutley. But thats not the norm.

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I live in the Bronx and 95%

I live in the Bronx and 95% of the people over here are black...thus everyone I play with is usually black and rarely is a black kid as athletic as me.

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I appreciated the first picture though.

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I see Brett Favre as good of an athlete or better than Adrian Peterson. Adrian couldn't come any closer to being Brett Favre than Brett being Adrian. Purely athletic.

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i dont follow foolsball, who

i dont follow foolsball, who is this favre person you speak of? Seriously though, there are people who are great athletes that are white, but that doesnt make it the norm. Can brett play db, wr, rb ? To me, those are the most purely athletic positions in football.

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Jammin, there are exceptions

Jammin, there are exceptions to every rule.

Norsemen, Favre is nowhere near the athlete AD is. AD can run faster, jump higher, quicker, stronger all the things that make one a better athlete..

You may have posted this before but what exactly is your definition of athletic?

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Takes more football ability to be QB.... and once it's gone. Those position players are looking for a different line of work. It takes a great athlete to have the precise timing and skill to accurately throw a ball with 300 lb. line man trying to stop/kill you.

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: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina.

It's the trained and skilled part that separates athletes long term and leads to greatness as I see it.

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im not arguing its tougher to

im not arguing its tougher to be a qb. But i guess thats where you have to define "athletic". To me, there is a difference between skills and pure athleticisism. Shootina 3 pointer, or dribbling the basketball is not athletic. Now shooting a three while your 2 feet in the air or dribbling while going full speed and blwoing by guys who cant keep up, that athletiticsm.

And enough of the football analogies towards me, i cant really relate to that stuff. ALL I know is the raiders are the &$#%#&@! and asmougha will shut anybody down.

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There's a reason stud QBs are selected immediately and stud RB's can found in the 1st 3 or 4 rds. Runningbacks are a dime a dozen.

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Yeah because RB's are more

Yeah because RB's are more pure athletes. Whereas QB's have to have specialized skills that are tougher to come by. Just because the skill is tougher to come by doesn't mean it means theyre more athletic.

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It's all about oppinion... or a quarterback rolling out with 300 lb linemen chasing him throwing the ball back across his body 55 yards down field hitting his receiver in stride.

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Kinda it does.

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McDunkin, who is that girl in

McDunkin, who is that girl in the first pick. She kind looks like Jessica Alba and Beyonce combined

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Favre is an athlete but I

Favre is an athlete but I would never say in my head that he is very athletic but he has kept himself in great shape for a large number of years. Favre to me is very skilled and has durability that surpasses reason. I think maybe the fact that Favre is not an elite athlete is the reason he has been so durable

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im just pissed that im 6-4

im just pissed that im 6-4 and cant dunk so i refuse to believe it's just me, it has to be my whiteness.

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You think Favre not being an athlete is the reason he's been durable? Explain please.

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We all have different gifts... I hope you can at least get close to dunking at 6' 4".

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i can grab the rim. But i

i can grab the rim. But i could ball, no question about that. I made up for my lack of athleticism.

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Back in high school I remember an "extremely white" kid that was about 6'2" and about 120 lbs that could long jump 22" ft at 15 yrs old. It was something to see.

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Thats just Jessica Alba...i

Thats just Jessica Alba...i believe

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I'd take a Sam Mitchell type player over a Gerld Green type player any day. Garnett never played better than when Mitchell was on the floor.

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There were a lot more non so

There were a lot more non so athletic good players in the 90's such as sam mitchell. Nate Mcmillan, brian shaw etc... And skiils has it obvious advantages over athleiticism. But as the game grows and competition for spots in the league from both in america and overseas grows, we are seeing a greater need for a combination of both skills and athletiicsm. Its hard to get by without both in todays game.

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