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Can we all come to agreement that the Los Angeles Lakers will be watching the playoffs at home this year? Injuries, age, coaching, and chemistry have just completely derailed this team. What are the chances Dwight Howard resigns? If you ask me he doesn't look happy playing with Kobe.


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Can't believe they skipped on

Can't believe they skipped on Phil Jackson.
I wonder if Kobe wanted D'antoni's run and gun where he knew he would end up doing what ever he wants and putting up the best stats for LA.
Phil Jackson would've had Dwight and Gasol shining. Like Kobe said long time ago, he's too good for the triangle system, where his talents are not used to full extent.
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Not saying this is 4 real, but just a crazy idea of mine. There was word around when the Heat started 9-8 that Wade didn't want Pat Riley to return as the Coach and rather had Spo. Who, i guess, treats more like a superstar, if you know where I'm getting at

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I'm actually gonna

Stick with the group that says they still make the playoffs, but take an early exit.

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The Lakers have no youth, no

The Lakers have no youth, no picks, no cap space, no chemistry, and no chance of making playoffs. They may be headed to a very dark place if Dwight doesn't re-sign.

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I think it was personal with

I think it was personal with Phil and Jimmy. But I agree sh!ttier mock, Phil would have done better, but he would need a preseason to get his system into play. I beleive he'll be back somewhere next year. And good riddens, the most expensive team won't make the playoffs, living in LA and being from Phoenix I love watching the Lakers lose but still like Nash and Dántoni.

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Steve Nash will likely retire

Steve Nash 38 yrs old will likely retire after the worst season of his whole career. Kobe will be 35 or 36 next season. Artest is already a shadow of his former self will go even further into the darkness next season. Dwight Howard will likely leave because he wants to play next to another an all star pg or another star in his prime. Gasol 32 yrs old has falling off and has little trade value.This team does not have any draft picks. The future is bleak for the Lakers.

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Another vent about Lakers

Im not counting the Lakers out of the playoffs, but that door is closing fast. I agree with Sh!tier mock. I think Kobe initially preferred D'Antoni knowing the unlimitedness to the available shots for him. However, it has backfired. Not solely because of him, but he is part of the problem. Mike D'Antoni is number one, this roster is not built for his system. Not these guys. Either they blow up the roster, or they get rid of him. His coaching has looked terrible, its like he has no control over what the team does. I think Chris Broussard reported yesterday that D'Antoni said he told Kobe that he must starting getting Nash atleast 4 open shots a game. That SHOULDNT be so hard.Cant overlook injuries, they just happen, but they should be better off than they are now. I know a lot of people dont wanna agree to it, but guys Kobe is old. He can still score with the best of them, but he still takes more shots than anybody too. How hard is it to see that Kobe taking 22 shots per game plus free throws will not lead to the best possible outcome for this team. His role has to change, he cant be 2004 Kobe with this team. Im sorry but Kobe's "I will get mine anyway" attitude is just frustrating me. I honestly with everything in me, think Kobe is just playing for records. No one ever says it, no one will. Thats what i see though. Sooner or later,that playoff window will be slammed shut, and the Lakers biggest priority will be keeping Dwight Howard. Im big on D12 and i've never felt like he was unhappy in LA, but im starting to feel that way. No he's not healthy, and hasn't been as effective as he can be, despite putting up good numbers; but he's the Lakers' future, no one else on that team can be. The young guys are all future role players, and the older guys are.... old. If I was Dwight, my feelings right now would be: "LA is a great place with great pride and history, but this roster isnt a competitive roster. My coach doesnt enforce defense, he doesn't like to feed the ball to the post that much. All of our better players are old and past their prime. Everyone still wants it to be the Kobe show here. We have no cap room to make big changes. I'm entering my prime and want to be in the running for the title. We were actually a team with a team identity in Orlando. Other than people saying I failed in LA, WHY WOULD I STAY HERE?" Does LA have anything for Dwight to look forward to guys? Whats your thoughts?

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Kobe takes more shots? Did

Kobe takes more shots? Did you know he's having a career high in FG%?

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Hmmm yea

Yea he is, but thats good FOR HIM. Thats what i said. I said Kobe taking 22shots a game is not the best for the team. Yea he's leading the league, but what is it doing for his team? He's shooting a career high in fg%. But his team is suffering. I stated all of this. Im not sure what you are objecting to. Dont neg for no reason. Basketball isnt just about scoring. You got players thats playing for individual stats, and you have players that are buying into their team. i stated that I feel like he's playing for the record books.

Dont get so caught up into hearing analysts say that Kobe is having a career year. That is such an overrated statement in this case. Sometimes you have to check out things yourself. He's shooting 47% from the field. However, there has been 6 other seasons where he shot 46% from the field. 1% is not a big difference in shooting percentage. 5-10% is a worthy difference. But c'mon man he's shooting basically what he's been shooting.

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To be honest, if any team can

To be honest, if any team can turn it around, it's this Laker team.

They have too much star power to have one of the most disappointing seasons in NBA history.

They should have traded Gasol at the beginning of the season when they hired D'Antoni and Gasol actually had some trade value. Now it looks like they're stuck with him.

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I was thinking the same way

I was right along with you until they announced that Hill was out for the season, and Howard wont be back until there is absolutely no pain. Chances got a lot more slim. I think they needed Hill for the energy and for insurance with Howard's health and Pau's weak mentality.

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I thought this too. Watching

I thought this too. But watching these guys none of them go together. Three of the main guys are used or need the team to be catered to their play style. These guys at this age and stage of their careers cannot coexist. Idk how to spell coexist, I think its right.

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the problem

Isnt Kobe jacking up shots.. The offense hasnt looked perfect , but they are still one of the best offensive teams in the league, thats what D'antoni brings to the table.. The problem has been injuries that have not permitted the lakers to create chemistry and defense which is reflected in their players age... Mike D'antoni MUST adjust his system and phylosophy for this team to work!

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My belief...

...is that Kobe is not THE problem but he is a part of the problem. Let's agree that Nash has not been there all year. But for most of the year Gasol and Dwight have. One thing people do not think about is that numbers can fool you. I will give you the example of a smart kid who is not challenged. That kid may goof off and underperform. When you are a talent like Dwight and Pau and you are basically running laps because a teammate does not share the ball...it affects other parts of your game. Also, selfishness begets selfishness. If someone takes a lot of shots (even if they go in) then when you do get it your are more apt to take bad shots or force a play that is not there because you don't know the next time you will get an opportunity. That can create turnovers.

Also, bad shots that happen too often can hurt transition defense. If you are Dwight and you have sprinted 3,4, 5 times in a row and haven't gotten a touch your energy level changes. Big men rebound, block shots, etc and not including them offensively affects how they do those things.

I'm simply stating that the way Kobe plays "divides" a roster or can divide a roster.

Finally, these players are too talented to be treated as role players. Kobe Bryant has more talent on this roster than most everyone in the league and they are out of the playoffs because of a lack of leadership.

One thing to consider is that it could be that Derek Fisher was always the mature leader on all those Laker championships although Kobe gets the credit for being that ONLY because he was the best player (post Shaq years).

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Kobe Bryant

I have said this for years and only now when things go wrong are people seeing it. Kobe Bryant has only sparingly played winning basketball. On the surface that sounds insane for a guy who has 5 championships but it is true. Kobe Bryant LOVES WINNING......AS LONG....as he is seen as the reason the team wins. And that is a big difference from just a guy who loves winning no matter who gets the credit.

And I always struggle with people who even this year believe Kobe "HAS TO" shoot because "who else is he supposed to pass the ball to".

Some of my friends (Lakers fans) and Stephen A. Smith and guys like that have said it. And how crazy are they? Kobe has Dwight, Pau, Nash, and yes Artest and other role players....why does he need to continue taking 22 shots per game with this roster?

He does not....but he could never live with himself playing on a team where someone else is seen as the reason the team has success. It was the root of the issues he and Shaq had. He wanted to prove he could do it "without" Shaq.

I just watch him play and shake my head. And part of it is coaching. A coach has to be brave enough to encourage others to be a part of the plan and it has to be backed by management. So that's why in another thread I said the Lakers are stuck. They basically have to wait until Kobe's consistent play goes away because any and every player who comes to LA will have to submit to the 22-28 shots per game that Kobe will take regardless of whether your match up is favorable or not.

Good luck to LA.

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I'm with you

I couldnt've said it any better. I feel like I wrote this! Good job

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@ThepessimestThat was all

@Thepessimest

That was all really cute, but here are the facts:

1. Steve Nash missed 24 games and the Lakers had to rely on Darius Morris and Chris Duhon. To be honest, Nash is still getting his legs under him. He's only played 10 games since his return.

2. Dwight Howard is coming off of back/spinal surgery. Originally, his return date was supposed to be in Dec. Despite his stats, he's lacked quickness, speed and explosiveness at both ends. Howard isn't a go-to offensive option and that's CLEAR. Teams aren't letting him dunk either... They're fouling him and putting him on the line where he's shooting 51%. He's a liability in the 4th quarter.

3. Pau Gasol has been available, but he's struggled fitting into D'Antoni's system. Gasol has shot jump shots instead of being in the post. We all saw what Gasol did in the Olympics on the low block. He's a better low post option than Howard, so why are we seeing Howard get iso plays in the low post (WHY is Howard getting low post iso's in the first place?) and not Gasol? That's D'Antoni right there... Gasol has also struggled with injuries this season.

4. The entire team hasn't had enough on court time together, but how much responsibility/accountability does Nash take for not getting Howard and Gasol involved? Isn't that what he's supposed to do?

5. The Lakers bench is amongst the worst in basketball. Kobe, Howard, Nash and Gasol can't play the entire game.

6. The Lakers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. They can't get stops. Ever.

7. D'Antoni clearly isn't the right coach for the roster. It's debatable if he's doing any better than Mike Brown. This team isn't show time. This team is half-time, meaning they need to play in the half-court and run when there's opportunity. When an offense can't find a way to utilize a Pau Gasol, that's a problem. Gasol looked better in the Princeton. D'Antoni's offenses shoot jumpers, not run through the post.

To put so much emphasis into "his part" of the blame when there's so much going on with the team is just being anti-Kobe.

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