Look who came to play...
Jeremy Lin with a fantastic game tonight against the Spurs. Down by 7 with 2 minutes to go in overtime, it's nice to see Jeremy Lin playing well.
Harden is out of this game with a sprained ankle.
36points, 7asts, 3rebs, 2stls, 2blks while shooting 10-18 and only 2 turnovers.
Lin is still too inconsistent, I'm glad all the " Jeremy Lin is better than Raymond Felton" posters are gone. That's all I heard in the offseason
its hard to blame them when the only thing you saw ray fay do was chow down donuts lol
I almost thought this might have been a Charlie Villenauva or Andrey Blatche thread as both of those guys have actually gotten off the bench and got some playing time of late....
Rockets did well against the Spurs without Harden....
Lin is younger and this was a better all around game than Felton. Felton is also on a veteran team. I remember when people were saying he sucked and I was dumber for saying Felton could average 20 10 for the Knicks and then he almost did.
With that said, Felton has been just as inconsistent as Lin. Lin has been focusing more of fitting in with Harden and that has caused his numbers and stats to go down. I think as he gets comfortable, he will average about that same as Felton but he will be younger. I will got with a younger player with the same stats over a older one unless you are talking about a Kidd or Nash.
not a chance. Lin excelled in dantonis system. When woodson took the helm his stats were comparable to now. Raymond Felton for one year is much better than giving lin 25 mil over 3 years.Lin was the Knicks only offense during that 10 game run. If you erase those ten games we wouldnt even know who lin is and he probably would be on a bench still. I am not saying he isnt good he is a solid role player on a team but to say he is worth that money or better than felton to me is a stretch
yeah the "Jeremy Lin is better than Raymond Felton" posters have officialy deserted the forum
any PG that plays in NY looks better than they actually are
ummm so how do you think houston feels about that contract?
9.9pts 6.1as 4.2rbs and shooting .381... this is the worst contract i honestly feel i have ever seen. he is making 25 mill over next three year. Someone is getting fired over this for sure!
Worst contract you've ever seen?
tyrus thomas $40 million
Andris Beidrins $63 million
Hedo $53 million
Rashard Lewis $115 million
Hey guys, if the Rockets hadn't traded for Harden, we'd be talking about how Lin is a high volume scoring guard who would've been averaging 20 and 6 on 40% shooting. now he has to play off the ball and that is the part of his game he needs to work on, but to say this is the worst contract of All-Time is a ridiculous stretch, I can think of dozens of contracts off the top of my head that have gone ten times worse.
Lin would not be averaging 20 points, his jumpshot is shaky and his ability to get to the rim is overrated as he lacks the explosiveness to finish hard; he also lacks the handle to create open shots for himself
Pairing Lin and Harden was a mistake. Harden is a big scoring guard who barrels to the rim, while having playmaking abilities. Essentially the same game as Lin, just Harden does it better.
The contract for Lin is high... obviously. But I think that this game shows that Lin is still a dynamic player, he just needs to ball in order to produce at a high level. Unfortunately, that's hard to do when you have Harden on your squad as well.
Out of these 2 guards, clearly it should be Lin adapting to Harden. It would be cool to see these two both be productive on the court, but ultimately I'm not sure Lin will learn to play off-ball.
You have to look at Jeremy Lin a little bit differently. This is basically his 2nd season. Lots of guys have sophomore slumps. Teams know what he can do and plan for it. He is still young and improving. Also, with he and Harden pairing. Harden got there like a week before the season. They spent all training camp and preseason playing with different teams. Did we expect them to just gel automatically? I didn't.
I'm not saying this is going to be the best backcourt or anything like that but let us see how they progress throughout the year and see where they are next year. Jeremy Lin will be working on playing off the ball. His shooting will get better. Harden is still getting accustomed to being the man on a team and drawing the best defender. Both guys are 24 or younger. This can be a strong backcourt for a few years. It just needs more than 29 games before we can judge them.
I think even if Harden hadnt got with the Rockets, Lin would still be struggling. His average right now at 9.9ppg is pretty much his game. He had a great 10 game stretch with the Knicks, but that was because of who he had around him. He was the last person on the court that any team would focus on trying to stop. He benefited from it and got crazy hot. However I didnt think he deserved that contract that with the Rockets. He doesnt deserve 20nothing million. He's not a bad player but, no, not 25million. Plus, Idk think he's anywhere near Ray Felton. Lin looked terrible in the preseason, Harden coming to town quickly took the pressure off of him to live up to the hype of last year. No he can slowly grow at a more comfortable pace.
I disagree with most of the comments in this thread. Jeremy Lin is a guy who must control the game from beginning to end. In other words, the offense must go through him or he's just another guy on the court.
James Harden was the worst thing that could have happened to him. Instead of controlling the offense and doing the job for which Houston paid him the big bucks, Lin was deferring to Harden just as he deferred to Carmelo Anthony. I watched 3 Houston games this year and couldn't believe the horrendous shot selection of James Harden. Meanwhile, all Lin did was give the ball to Harden as soon as he crossed mid-court and got out of his way. Lin is not a SG, he's a PG, so playing off the ball is not his game.
It's no accident that Lin scored 38 points last night when Harden was out with an injury. Lin's strength is being the PG in control of the offense, everything must start with him. If he merely gives the ball to Harden after they cross mid-court, Lin will continue to be ineffective and mediocre.
However, it's still very early in the season so I'm hoping Lin and Harden will learn to play with one another. In fact, I think Harden will benefit big time if Lin runs the offense and Harden gets his shots when Lin attacks the interior defense. I'm hoping McHale sends a message to his team that Lin is their leader on the court and the offense goes through him.
Lin has his fair share of the ball. He has just not been capable of doing anything with it. He's only shooting 39% from the field and 31% from 3pt range. Those are not good shooting percentages for a guy who's getting 25-28mil. Until he is more reliable, the ball has to be in Harden's hands to give them the best chance of being successful. I've also watched them many games, and Lin is very shaky with the ball. He scores in transition and when James penetrates and kicks it to him. Right now he's not trustworthy, did you watch the Rockets during the preseason? I watched 6 of 7 games. Lin looked horrible out there. Machado and Toney D outplayed him every game. That's what caused them to pull the trigger on Harden so quickly and give him the team. They couldnt go into the season being led by a guy who is getting killed in preseason. Of course preseason doesn't prove much for most people but it does when youre a player that went undrafted, bounced around, then had 10 star caliber games then gets hurt and shuts it down for the remainder of the season to protect your stock. If Lin would have held his own in preseason, the identity of the Rockets may be a little different now. But Lin proved that last year was only a hot streak, Its not the player that he is capable of being every night. Last night pushed his average from 9.9ppg to 11.6. Thats pretty much what he is. Not a bad player, but not a great player. If you are a contending team, he definitely cant be your primary ball dominator. All of those were just my personal feelings about the situation from watching Lin and the way he's played. One more thing, take off the game against the Spurs and check out his game logs for the other games this year. Decent player.
First, Linsanity was incredible and lasted over a rather lengthy period of time. Guys can have 1 or 2 great games but Lin carried the Knicks for weeks. That was not an accident nor can it be described as a hot streak. I've been around a long time and never saw anything like that in the world of sports.
Second, I think you missed my point. There's no denying Lin has not played well with Houston this season. But my argument is basic, Lin is NOT doing what he does best and that is run offense. For whatever reason, he has been deferring to Harden all season. That makes Lin and off the ball player which is NOT his game, that accounts for his low production and an obvious lack of confidence.
In conclusion, if Lin is allowed to run the team and be focal point of everything which happens on offense, as he did in NY until Carmelo Anthony returned, he can be an outstanding PG. We saw that against San Antonio when Harden was out and Lin directed the offense.
Coach McHale has to make a decision, will Lin or Harden run the team.
I get your point, and yes Lin did have an incredible run last year, it was amazing, we all were on board. Because of the hot streak we couldnt tell that he finished last season averaging 14 and 6. I know it seemed like more but it was only 14 and 6...Then I saw Lin play during the preseason while running the show. He didnt look good at all. I like Lin but I wouldnt let him completely run the show. If he was the better creator for that team, then the ball would be in his hands more. But He's not the creator everyone thought he was. And he hasnt really been deferring in my opinion. I cant call it deferring when your're giving the ball to someone who is by far more superior than you in every skill set. It's called playing your part. He gets his shots up but he just dont capitalize due to his below average shooting percentages. He also averages 6 assists, which is good. However I understand that you rather Lin run the show and your view is your view.
BigChamp, thanks for an intelligent, thoughtful response but we clearly disagree. Harden is a better scorer than Lin, no doubt about that, but he's a shooting guard. If you want to have an efficient NBA offense, it starts with the PG orchestrating, and that's where Lin's skill set is superior to Harden.
The real irony is I think both the team and Harden will benefit if they allow Lin to control the offense. In every game I watched, Harden constantly went one on one taking horrible shots. If he instead tries to score within the framework of the offense, I think Harden could be a superior talent.