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Lets play a game

Details on the game Its not Nba2k13, its not fantasy basketball. Todays game is rather special. It doesn't cure boredom, it doesn't cure the actual problem, but it will make me feel slightly better that there are options out there for this organization.

The game is called, "Fix the Sacramento Kings".

I want to here everybody's input, I don't care what kind of opinion, I don't care what kind of crazy trades...whatever comes out of your head tell me.

What brought this on? I don't know, just the fact my rising star Demarcus Cousins hit OJ. Mayo's groin which brought on a suspension. No big deal, I mean cousins gets into &$#%#&@! all the time right? On top of that, my other star begins to show signs of an improving jumpshot but now hasn't played in 4 out of the last 5 games due to a bruised knee. (Tyreke Evans)

I digress, I want to hear everybody's opinion on what the Kings should do to make this a winning franchise. I would prefer if people didn't neg others for their outlandish opinions I plan on hearing. Lol but then again, if there is something like "Package the entire starting lineup for Eric Bledsoe" I would understand if people negged accordingly. Again what would you do to fix the Kings current situation. Nobody is off limits, here I'll even help you...

http://www.nba.com/kings/roster/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/demarcus-cousins-suspend...


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For a minute I thought you

For a minute I thought you were Jigsaw

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Honestly

If the Maloofs don't sell the team, I can actually see myself becoming Jigsaw.

"I know how much you like to bull &$#%#&@! the people of sacramento, so I took the liberty of hiding the antidote in a pile of bull &$#%#&@!."

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First, get rid of Tyreke

First, get rid of Tyreke Evans.
Second, somehow get a good still productive and respected vet so these guys stop doing these knuckle head moves.
Third, what ever it takes to get a future starting PG.

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They need a good, stong head

They need a good, stong head coach.

I was actually going to make a thread the other day. If Gregg Popovich coached the Kings, would they be a playoff team ?

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this is what I would do

First off, I'm not in the front office of an NBA team so I really can't know for certain what a player's trade value is so I'm just going off of what I think is realistic. These are the core players currently on roster: Tyreke, Cousins, and Robinson. Anyone else is expandable. Here are the first 4 things I would do:

1. Decide on a Point Guard. They have Brooks, Jimmer, Smith, and Tyreke, who probably runs it the best. That is David Kahn like. I personally think Tyreke can be a starting PG, but I don't believe he can guard the elite PG's in the league for 38 mpg over an 82 game season. Could you start Tyreke at PG, Thorton at SG, and bring Brooks off the bench, sliding Tyreke to SG? Yea, but I'm just not sure how far that gets you in today's NBA. Jrue and Evan, Wall and Beal, Rondo + Anyone, and Hill and George would all be better than that in my opinion.
--Trade Jimmer, Smith, and/or Brooks. You don't need both so grab whatever asset you can; Washington and Indiana both come to mind as a team that would give up at least a 2nd rounder/young player for one of these guys.
--Commit to Tyreke at the point. He is your best playmaker and your team is too dumb to run complex plays, so why not?

2. Draft (or trade for) a scoring SF/SG. Depending on who comes out and what you think of them, this might have to wait until 2014 when Parker and Wiggins will both presumably be there. Shabazz and McLemore could potentially be the player that they need this year, but they both have more to prove in my opinion. Players like this are not easy to trade for, nor are they available often.
--I can't yet say if I would keep my pick in this draft or not, I just haven't seen enough college basketball yet. Plus, conference tournaments and the 64 team tournament are both great times to see what a player is made of. As of now, I would be listening to offers for my 1st round pick if I was GM.

3. Decide on a playing style. Run and gun, triangle, Princeton, I don't care just f'ing pick one!
--The style that I would build is a defensive minded one. Bring it every dam night on that end of the court. Raise your hand if you are tired and we will get you out of there type basketball. Offensively, keep it simple for the next 2 or so years until the team's core is set in place. Harp on basics like taking good shots, limiting turnovers, and always be looking to create/score.

4. Use the next 14 months to shape your roster for the next 10 years. Trade away bad contracts like Outlaw, Hayes and Garcia (making a combined 14 million this year) for anything you possibly can. Find a way to get value out of guys like Salmons, Thorton, and/or Thompson; I think you could get a first rounder out of the latter two, with Salmons maybe being worth a heavily protected one?

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-Convince the Maloofs to sell

-Convince the Maloofs to sell the team.
-Set in motion a legit plan to relocate the team to a better market that can generate more revenue. Seal the deal that would allow them to leave Sacramento by 2015.
-Trade Tyreke for a mid 1st rounder and an expiring.
-Get rid of Smart and hire Mike Budenholzer (long time Spurs assistant).
-Hire Kareem as an assistant coach.
-Use their own pick and the mid first rounder to draft Ben McLemore and Trey Burke
-Use 2nd round pick to draft a perimeter defensive specialist. Someone like Victor Oladipo, Reggie Bullock or CJ Fair.
-Throw some money at Paul Millsap, a guy like Kyle Korver and maybe Brandan Wright. Basically vets who know how to play team ball and know how to function without needing to dominate the ball.
-Decline options on Honeycutt and Cisco
-Trade Jimmer for whatever you can get for him. Maybe a future 2nd.

2013-2014 Kings

Trey Burke/Aaron Brooks/Isaiah Thomas
Marcus Thornton/ Ben McLemore
Kyle Korver/ Salmons/ Victor Oladipo
Millsap/T-Rob
Cousins/J.Thompson/Brandan Wright

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So far

The only problem I have with your idea Siggy, is the fact Marcus thornton is the starting shooting guard. People got negged when they said he was chucker, well I'm here as a kings fan to tell you, yes he is a chucker. Never have I ever seen a guy so eager to get a shot off. Good lord. Anyway keep them coming guys, these are interesting.

Btw: Apb you hit the nail on the hammer with the 'pick a style' comment. I can't stress enough that they are litterally just playing street ball out there. Even when they are passing its just drive and kick outs which becomes easy to predict and the Kings don't have any reliable three point shooters.

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Thornton starting would just

Thornton starting would just be temporary. Yes, I agree he's a chucker, but if they drafted a guy like McLemore, I don't think he'd be able to start right away at the 2. That's the only reason why I had Thornton starting. McLemore would obviously be the long term 2.

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Oh I see

Makes sense then. Not like this team can get any worse.

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Exactly. They are a mess out there.

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The silly thing is that this

The silly thing is that this team could have been in a great position to win if they'd made better draft picks in the last couple of years. You have Tyreke who won ROY and Cousins with high upside; no complaints there, but if they'd taken Brandon Knight in last year's draft instead of trading down for Jimmer, and drafted Barnes instead of Robinson in this year's draft, then they would be a team with all the right pieces and a definite future.

PG: Knight
SG: Evans
SF: Barnes
PF: Thompson
C: Cousins

Knight and Evans are both really combo guards, so they could share ball-handling duties, but Knight is a great outside shooter and can play off the ball effectively too, plus he's a born leader and would help keep the knuckleheads in line. Barnes is a team-first guy who can stretch the floor, will hustle defensively and won't demand the ball or jack up shots. Thompson is just a role player and not a long-term solution, but he is getting after it this year and is a decent defensive player regardless. Cousins would be able to kick out to shooters in Barnes and Knight on double teams, and with three capable perimeter defenders in Knight, Evans and Barnes he wouldn't be in foul trouble as often. Find me a team not named OKC which would have had a better young core than this team and I'll give you a medal.

Oh, and I would have hired Brian Shaw to bring in the triangle offense full-time; Knight, Barnes and Cousins all fit in perfectly with this system, and Evans fills the function of shot creator when the shot clock is running down. It would bring some much-needed structure to an often-haphazard offensive team, and play to the strengths of their best players.

Of course, this doesn't really address the topic right now, which was "how to fix the Kings", not "how could I have fixed the Kings?", but I honestly have no idea what they can do except hope to get lucky in the Wiggins/Parker draft and find a superstar SF.

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I don't think any team with

I don't think any team with Tyreke as a top 2 player on it and as the primary ball-handler will be anything more than mediocre.

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I still cannot understand why

I still cannot understand why pass on Barnes. This team has struggled for years to find a sf. And if you planned to resign Jason Thompson to that contract, no need for T-Rob. Barnes, like you said, stretches the floor and does not demand the ball. With Evans, who best attribute is attacking the basket, and he and Cousins already fighing over touches, you would love have have a guy like Barnes. Then this year, they could have targeted Noel, who would have fit perfect alongside Cousins.

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Start over, get rid of bad contracts.

I really like both Tyreke and Cousins, and think that they can compliment each other well, but for some reason its not happening. This is prob due to both coaching and immaturity of both players. I doubt a veteran coach will come there, and I cant think of any first time coaches that will come in and demand their respects, ie Marc Jackson. The best option will be to move bpth and start a new.

1. Cousins. I prob like Cousins more than Tyreke, but I have a short patience with his bad behavior and attitude. Remember, he asked for a trade during his rookie year! I dont think he can ever be loyal to the team. I think the Wizards may be willing to take him to once again pair with Wall. Cousins/Salmons contract for Okafor/Singleton/Unprotected 2012 pick.
Washington now has a front court of Cousins and Nene to pair with backcourt of Wall and Beal. Kings gets another lotto pick, along with their own. And Salmons at 8mill/3 yrs is out the door

2. Evans. Atlanta is doing well, and I think will be more than interested in adding Evans for cheap. They have a lot of expiring contracts too. Evans/Hayes/Outlaw/Fredette for Devon Harris/Kyle Korver/Unprotected 2012 pick. They are practically giving away Evans, but thats the price for shedding 11 mill/3yrs of Outlaw, Hayes and Fredette. Keep in mind, when Josh Smith and Evans' deal expires, the Hawks will have Cap room to still sign 2 max contracts (D12 and CP3???) along with resigning Smith and/or Evans. I do not think Evans/Smith will end up demanding anywhere near a max deal in FA.

Sac-Town now adds 2 first rounders, 1 being a lotto pick while shedding over 20 million over the next 3 years.
With their 2 2012 lotto picks: If T-Rob shows enough promise to pass on Zeller, I say target Noel, who I think meshes perfectly with Robinson, and either Shabazz or the best pg available. With the Hawks mid-late 1st round pick, I say target sg C.J. Wilcox of Washington.

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Complete overhaul

Several trades, but Sac insist going to win in almost any trade scenario because they suck and everybody knows it.

Sacramento: gets Beal, Okafor/Nene, and Singleton/Booker

Washington: Cousins, Salmons and Garcia

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cdu7qar
Its usually never a good idea to trade big for small, so Cousins for Beal is an absurd idea. Besides I think Cousins is the best big prospect in the NBA or college right now except for maybe Anthony Davis. However they get a starting big back in Nene (13 for 4 yrs) or Okafor (13 for 2 yrs). Okafor is a better idea because its only a 2 year deal. The Kings dump Garcia and Salmons huge over bloated salaries. Personally I would also want to swap picks this draft if I was Sac, I'd the the lower better one because D.C.would be getting hands down the best player in the deal. Washington tried to get some veterans in and win ( a little ) now, but it didn't work. This gets the Wizards an eventual Wall-Cousins reunification.

Hollingers machine says Sacramento could lose 8 to 11 more games, I just the machine doesn't know they would be lucky to win 8 to 11 more games this season no matter what. Sac gets younger, calmer, more manageable plus a the higher of the top 5 pick both teams are destined to get and Wiz get the potential of a dynamic in the future and would have 2/3 of their big three.

Then
On December 15th trade
Sac: Terrance Ross, Bargnani, Ed Davis

Toronto gets : Tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson and Amhad Brooks

Sac gets a stretch 4 in Bargnani to go along with the defensive minded Okafor they obtained earlier. A 2/3 sweet shooting 2/3 Ross to play along side Beal. Then Ed Davis to provide energy, athleticism, length and 2 years removed from free agency. They also don't have to give Tyreke anywhere from 10 to 15 million a year in 7 months.

Toronto gains a running mate for Demar Derozan that can play the 1-2 or 3. I'm thinking 8 to 10 minutes at the point (when Lowry rests) and the rest at the 3. With Lowry being so efficient and Demar and Tyreke so dynamic they have potential. Jonas can be best at what he does, a knock around guy that gives his all. They will have a hole at the 4 and Jason Thompson and Amir Johnson at 11 million combined is sheer mediocrity, but they could move Calderon for a draft pick or a four. Or they could keep Ed Davis for a future 1.

Then
Sac gets Marquis Teague, Jimmy Butler and Richard Hamilton.

Bulls get Marcus Thornton.

Bulls get the knock down shooter at the 2 and Rip only plays as much defense as Thornton anyway. He is younger and more deadly. they may not want to give up Butler who they really like so a pick or 2 could be substituted.

Sac get a vet to help with the maturation of Ross and Beal. A young point guard and a athletic defensive minded wing.

Sac new team
1-Isiah Thomas, Marquis Teague
2- Beal, Rip, /Ross
3-Ross, Singleton T Rob
4- Bargnani, Ed Davis T Rob
5-Okafor, Hayes

Still got Jojuan Johnson and Jimmer Fredette

I would also move Chuck Hayes for some of Houstons prospects. Maybe Morris, Machado, White/T. Jones for Hayes and Johnson.

This is a totally different team with less potential stars but with great young building blocks and no head cases. Still short a bonafide point guard but thats for the off season. Calderon will be only 5 million a season next year. MCW is a big point guard in the draft that would fit as well.

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I don't see why any of the

I don't see why any of the other teams would want to do any of those deals.

The end result looks like a crappy team too. What is the purpose, to get even worse?

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Several good ideas really

And I agree as an organization, seeing them pass up players time and time again is frustrating. Especiallly the Harrison barnes pick. I mean we needed a small forward, but instead we draft another power forward? I also agree with getting rid of bad contracts, for some reason as a franchise, the kings front office loves taking them on. Not only that, we give them out. Lol have you seen that Marcus Thornton contract? Oh lawdy.

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I say completely tank, trade

I say completely tank, trade everyone except cousins and robinson (doesnt have to be a building block but works for now) and isiaih thomas(he is a quality young point guard) find a leader whether that is through a trade or free agency or the draft. Get a top 3 or 4 pick and take shabazz or mclemore this year. then tank next year and get parker or wiggins, or worst case you take andrew harrison and you get a point guard who can play SG occasionally. then you have 2 great wings to go with cousins.

They should have gotten picks or other young players with trading the rest of their team, and use those to round out your roster. so for the next three years focus on player development and developing a winning mentality and then they could compete. I know trading everyone but 3 players wont happen but that is what I would do. After the second draft then they can go out and spend money to bring in a player, but not until then because they need to suck to get high picks.

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First off, I'm not in the

First off, I'm not in the front office of an NBA team so I really can't know for certain what a player's trade value is so I'm just going off of what I think is realistic. These are the core players currently on roster: Tyreke, Cousins, and Robinson. Anyone else is expandable. Here are the first 4 things I would do:

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my idea

Demarcus Cousins is a good player but he has been a punk forver. They talked about it going to UK, COming out of UK and now in the Nba. The dude is not high character you cant build a team around someone with no character or enough smarts to not make dumb mistakes. I think they need to get rid of Cousins because i honestly think he will never change. Its even worse for his personality to be the man on a losing young team because he thinks hes already a superstar. Cousins has to go.. ship him to somewhere like Utah for Al Jefferson and trade for a player like jared dudley who is a great locker room guy and a vet who can show a young team how hard work can pay off, with his story. Also hire a coach like Jerry Sloan to change the mentality around there. The roster is talented and i think tyreke is still a very good player he just has been everything from a pg to a sf he needs a pos. likely a sg and they need to surround him with some damn shooters.

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Or they could surround him

Or they could surround him with good character, smart players and vets instead of just more and more dumb players who don't know how to play team basketball. I guarantee he wouldn't be as much of a problem if he was surrounded by winners and players who knew how to play together. He's a moody player who hates to lose, the Kings sucking and losing night and night out only magnifies his bad moods. Getting a coach like Sloan would be a good start, but they also need more players who will buy in and actually have the bball IQ to put into practice what is being coached.

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You are dead on with cousins,

You are dead on with cousins, if he had a player like kevin garnett (not saying get kevin garnett, just an experianced player like him) yelling at him everyday and jerry sloan coaching him and teaching him how to be a professional , there is noway that he could continue to be dumb, and if he was then you trade him right then.

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