[NJHooper95Participant]

Why would anyone want to play with him? He makes stars into role players outside of Irving and Wade, Everyone has to sacrifice their game except him, his body language is terrible (especially early last season), he throws his teams under the bus after every loss and undermines his coach after every win. He constantly reminds the world that he is the leader, but he was in "Chill Mode" last season against Orlando until Tobias made he play hard a. He is the ultimate cry baby, takes himself out of a game because someone made a bad pass and got a tech for it, he wants to be coach, gm, and player. As player why would you want to play with him. How many times have we heard Curry call himself the leader, or the father and the other players are like his children, yes Lebron said that.  

The difference between GSW is that they are a team…                   

 

 

[lalailaParticipant]

 5 straight NBA finals is the answer why to play with him.

[UnbiasedObserverParticipant]

 Yet has lost THREE of those Finals matchups. Should have been 4 if not for Ray Allen.

[UnbiasedObserverParticipant]

 Yet has lost THREE of those Finals matchups. Should have been 4 if not for Ray Allen.

[lalailaParticipant]

 5 straight NBA finals is the answer why to play with him.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 Doesnt make you a leader because you went to five straight finals and give Wade some credit for 4 of those .and with the talent he had around him 4 or 5 championships were expected. 

[lalailaParticipant]

 Read your own post mate, I just answered your first question. That’s it.

[lalailaParticipant]

 Read your own post mate, I just answered your first question. That’s it.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 Doesnt make you a leader because you went to five straight finals and give Wade some credit for 4 of those .and with the talent he had around him 4 or 5 championships were expected. 

[DipoTimeParticipant]

I think you are bashing one of the greatest players of all time way too hard.. Some of the greatest players and winners have been considered bad leaders or at least hard to get along with. It’s about winning to these guys.

Having said that, Stephen Curry and these Warriors are absolutely special. They are literally off to the best start any American team has ever had. Think about that for a second.. Not only will Curry go down as one of the greatest ever but we may currently be witnessing the best all around team of all time too. That shouldn’t be a knock on LeBron or anybody else for that matter. They are just on another level. 

 

[DipoTimeParticipant]

I think you are bashing one of the greatest players of all time way too hard.. Some of the greatest players and winners have been considered bad leaders or at least hard to get along with. It’s about winning to these guys.

Having said that, Stephen Curry and these Warriors are absolutely special. They are literally off to the best start any American team has ever had. Think about that for a second.. Not only will Curry go down as one of the greatest ever but we may currently be witnessing the best all around team of all time too. That shouldn’t be a knock on LeBron or anybody else for that matter. They are just on another level. 

 

[NJHooper95Participant]

 True, you answered it.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 True, you answered it.

[NJHooper95Participant]

Im not being too hard on him and I understand that Mike and others were tough on their teammates, but I think Lebrons actions get a pass because he is a great player. Not questioning his game but more his mentality. He makes everything into drama, the ultimate diva, which is the main reason why he is not in Miami anymore because Riley wouldn’t allow him to have complete autonomy.  

He is great, but his leadership sucks, and the he is as much of a problem as he is a solution when it comes to the atmosphere of the team. He threw the whole team under the bus after the Pelicans lost. It’s never about his play, but that everyone else is not playing well and even if that is the case, you don’t have to remind them through the media after every lost

[markfitz14Participant]

 He does throw them under the bus so I see where you are coming from. BuTTTT they deserve it. Seriously the rest of the Cavs are sub par. I can’t believe the resigned JR Smith after the worst finals by a scorer in a while. JR couldn’t do anything in the finals. He can’t get to the basket or create a play, makes bone head mistakes all the time. All he can do is go streaks from 3. Love is so unathletic that he seems like a roll player. He can’t get lift for dunks, He has got a great shot so that saves him. But now that he is on a team fighting for a championship he seems to lack that fire to take games over. Even if he is a third option. There should be games where Love is the best on the floor. I just don’t see it. That Pelicans game was laughable. I knew they would lose it. Lebron Muscled them into the game in the 4th with some crazy drvies. Then the rest of the team did nothing in the 4th and overtime. I wasn’t even sure Love was on the floor if he was he was invisible. He should call these guys out I would. Its reidiculous how it seems none of them are putting there bodies on the line by driving to the rim. Just jack up shots. Or wait for Lebron to assit for an easy basket. So no I don’t fault Lebron for calling them out. They stink right now.

[markfitz14Participant]

 He does throw them under the bus so I see where you are coming from. BuTTTT they deserve it. Seriously the rest of the Cavs are sub par. I can’t believe the resigned JR Smith after the worst finals by a scorer in a while. JR couldn’t do anything in the finals. He can’t get to the basket or create a play, makes bone head mistakes all the time. All he can do is go streaks from 3. Love is so unathletic that he seems like a roll player. He can’t get lift for dunks, He has got a great shot so that saves him. But now that he is on a team fighting for a championship he seems to lack that fire to take games over. Even if he is a third option. There should be games where Love is the best on the floor. I just don’t see it. That Pelicans game was laughable. I knew they would lose it. Lebron Muscled them into the game in the 4th with some crazy drvies. Then the rest of the team did nothing in the 4th and overtime. I wasn’t even sure Love was on the floor if he was he was invisible. He should call these guys out I would. Its reidiculous how it seems none of them are putting there bodies on the line by driving to the rim. Just jack up shots. Or wait for Lebron to assit for an easy basket. So no I don’t fault Lebron for calling them out. They stink right now.

[NJHooper95Participant]

Im not being too hard on him and I understand that Mike and others were tough on their teammates, but I think Lebrons actions get a pass because he is a great player. Not questioning his game but more his mentality. He makes everything into drama, the ultimate diva, which is the main reason why he is not in Miami anymore because Riley wouldn’t allow him to have complete autonomy.  

He is great, but his leadership sucks, and the he is as much of a problem as he is a solution when it comes to the atmosphere of the team. He threw the whole team under the bus after the Pelicans lost. It’s never about his play, but that everyone else is not playing well and even if that is the case, you don’t have to remind them through the media after every lost

[tuck243Participant]

but to go as far as to say TERRIBLE?  You’re tripping…   I do agree with he forces other good players to be caricatures of themselves while playing with him.. But I also think that’s because he has flaws in his game, but he does other things so well it becomes a stupid to nitpick…LeBron is the greatest player we’ve seen since MJ.   There’s no doubt about that and it’s sad to see people like yourself disrespecting him because another player is doing well so far this season.

I like Steph and think he’s a great player and great dude.  But that doesn’t mean you have to discredit other players just to give Steph his props.  Steph leads in a different way… His team legit play as a team and he’s just running the show.   I don’t see him out there hard on himself or his teammates.  They’re just out there playing team basketball and he’s hitting damn near everything he puts up.  You’re over simplifying a word that’s already subjective as it is.   You don’t need to discredit LeBron…  He’s seen more playoffs and Finals apperances than Steph…  He has more MVP’s and trophies than Steph..  And TBH if he had his entire team last year would’ve beaten the Warriors.  Without a doubt in my mind…  So, this thread is pointless.  The truth is Steph is having a great year and his team is undefeated.  That doesn’t automatically make him a great leader and that doesn’t equate that LeBron is a bad one… Chill out bandwagoner…

 

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

but to go as far as to say TERRIBLE?  You’re tripping…   I do agree with he forces other good players to be caricatures of themselves while playing with him.. But I also think that’s because he has flaws in his game, but he does other things so well it becomes a stupid to nitpick…LeBron is the greatest player we’ve seen since MJ.   There’s no doubt about that and it’s sad to see people like yourself disrespecting him because another player is doing well so far this season.

I like Steph and think he’s a great player and great dude.  But that doesn’t mean you have to discredit other players just to give Steph his props.  Steph leads in a different way… His team legit play as a team and he’s just running the show.   I don’t see him out there hard on himself or his teammates.  They’re just out there playing team basketball and he’s hitting damn near everything he puts up.  You’re over simplifying a word that’s already subjective as it is.   You don’t need to discredit LeBron…  He’s seen more playoffs and Finals apperances than Steph…  He has more MVP’s and trophies than Steph..  And TBH if he had his entire team last year would’ve beaten the Warriors.  Without a doubt in my mind…  So, this thread is pointless.  The truth is Steph is having a great year and his team is undefeated.  That doesn’t automatically make him a great leader and that doesn’t equate that LeBron is a bad one… Chill out bandwagoner…

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Guys like Shumpert and JR Smith playing with the black-hole Carmelo Anthony vs. playing with Lebron.  Playing with Lebron they are in defined roles and they have a leader/facilitator on the floor that is the center of the universe which allows them to play in those roles.

Miami went from 54-28 to (37-45), an NBA finals to out of the playoffs, while the Cavs went from 33-49 to 53 – 29, from out of the playoffs to the NBA finals. 

Steph Curry is on a great team right now but he’s only done it 1 year and questionably won, good chance Lebron with a full team could have won the whole thing.  They needed offensive help and were missing Love and Irving, two great offensive players.  

I’d relax on Steph Curry being an all-timer just yet.  He needs to do it a few more years.  But to deny Lebron any accolade he deserves is ridiculous.

If anything, I say Steph Curry is not better in the leadership department, but in the ability to turn it on in the 4th quarter and take over a game on the offensive end like he’s possessed.  Unfortunately, Lebron hasn’t been able to do that, he knows his shot is his weakness and he’s said that, and he relies on his athleticism, IQ, and teammates to score in the 4th quarter.  And he didn’t have his teammates last year in the Finals.  As Lebron ages and his skill diminishes it will be even more difficult for him to win unless Irving helps him take over games.  

I would like to see a healthy Warriors play a healthy Cavs team.  As much as I dislike Lebron, I respect tough defensive effort and I don’t mind if toughness beats skill.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Guys like Shumpert and JR Smith playing with the black-hole Carmelo Anthony vs. playing with Lebron.  Playing with Lebron they are in defined roles and they have a leader/facilitator on the floor that is the center of the universe which allows them to play in those roles.

Miami went from 54-28 to (37-45), an NBA finals to out of the playoffs, while the Cavs went from 33-49 to 53 – 29, from out of the playoffs to the NBA finals. 

Steph Curry is on a great team right now but he’s only done it 1 year and questionably won, good chance Lebron with a full team could have won the whole thing.  They needed offensive help and were missing Love and Irving, two great offensive players.  

I’d relax on Steph Curry being an all-timer just yet.  He needs to do it a few more years.  But to deny Lebron any accolade he deserves is ridiculous.

If anything, I say Steph Curry is not better in the leadership department, but in the ability to turn it on in the 4th quarter and take over a game on the offensive end like he’s possessed.  Unfortunately, Lebron hasn’t been able to do that, he knows his shot is his weakness and he’s said that, and he relies on his athleticism, IQ, and teammates to score in the 4th quarter.  And he didn’t have his teammates last year in the Finals.  As Lebron ages and his skill diminishes it will be even more difficult for him to win unless Irving helps him take over games.  

I would like to see a healthy Warriors play a healthy Cavs team.  As much as I dislike Lebron, I respect tough defensive effort and I don’t mind if toughness beats skill.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

I agree on the poor body language part. Even last season he just doesn’t give 100 percent. And he keeps on bashing his teammates when he himself has to act too.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

I agree on the poor body language part. Even last season he just doesn’t give 100 percent. And he keeps on bashing his teammates when he himself has to act too.

[NJHooper95Participant]

For an objective mind. People fall so love with a player that he becomes untouchable. I never said that Lebron couldn’t play, I said he is a terrible self-proclaim leader and it has nothing to do with Curry@tuck 243. I was simply saying Curry team is undefeated and he is having an unbelievable season but yet he doesn’t walk around saying that he is the leader a million times, he doesn’t take credit for everything good and blame his team for everything bad, he doesn’t call his teammates his children and he is the father.  

With that being said, it makes it easy to be a team when the best player on the team makes other teammates feel like they are in it together and it’s not about one man. Lebron lovers atleast give me that.  

[tuck243Participant]

Even with this explaination you are…  MJ punched Steve Kerr in the face..  He was hard on his teammates.    Was he a terrible leader? Like I said, you can call LeBron an overrated leader.  I will agree with you there, but a TERRIBLE one?  No…  Where did this come from?  Because Curry is doing well and won a championship last year?  Or you just fed up with LeBron?

At the end of the day, LeBron’s only objective is to win/contend for championships.   He’s doing that, so I don’t understand how this guy would be considered a terrible leader.   You’re just using the wrong choice of words.  

If you’re on a team with LeBron, you’re going to get recognized and paid.   I’m sure Tristan Thompson is perfectly fine with LeBron calling him son.   

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

Even with this explaination you are…  MJ punched Steve Kerr in the face..  He was hard on his teammates.    Was he a terrible leader? Like I said, you can call LeBron an overrated leader.  I will agree with you there, but a TERRIBLE one?  No…  Where did this come from?  Because Curry is doing well and won a championship last year?  Or you just fed up with LeBron?

At the end of the day, LeBron’s only objective is to win/contend for championships.   He’s doing that, so I don’t understand how this guy would be considered a terrible leader.   You’re just using the wrong choice of words.  

If you’re on a team with LeBron, you’re going to get recognized and paid.   I’m sure Tristan Thompson is perfectly fine with LeBron calling him son.   

 

 

 

 

[NJHooper95Participant]

For an objective mind. People fall so love with a player that he becomes untouchable. I never said that Lebron couldn’t play, I said he is a terrible self-proclaim leader and it has nothing to do with Curry@tuck 243. I was simply saying Curry team is undefeated and he is having an unbelievable season but yet he doesn’t walk around saying that he is the leader a million times, he doesn’t take credit for everything good and blame his team for everything bad, he doesn’t call his teammates his children and he is the father.  

With that being said, it makes it easy to be a team when the best player on the team makes other teammates feel like they are in it together and it’s not about one man. Lebron lovers atleast give me that.  

[Greekballin]

You lost me after ”Why would anyone want to play with him?”, which was your first sentence. Just an overall terrible post really, I won’t even bother, no1 should. 

[Greekballin]

You lost me after ”Why would anyone want to play with him?”, which was your first sentence. Just an overall terrible post really, I won’t even bother, no1 should. 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 How horrible of a player/person would you have to be for people to not want to join a team just because you are on it?

Has there ever been a player like that?

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 How horrible of a player/person would you have to be for people to not want to join a team just because you are on it?

Has there ever been a player like that?

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 How horrible of a player/person would you have to be for people to not want to join a team just because you are on it?

Has there ever been a player like that?

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 How horrible of a player/person would you have to be for people to not want to join a team just because you are on it?

Has there ever been a player like that?

 

[SpaceghostParticipant]

 Larry Hughes.. Daniel "Boobie" Gibson..Damon Jones, Donyell Marshal… NOPE thats not an answer to a JOKE.. THAT IS THE ROSTER HE TOOK TO THE 2006 FINALS..but he is a terrible leader.. what kinda silly foolishness. IS he a lil testy this year YES.. is his body language not so positive this year yes. BUT to question a MAN that Drags IMAN SHUMPERT and his hair and JR "DUM DUM" Smith to the finals and actually compete. LEADERSHIP is unquestioned.

 

BASHING TEAMMATES.. Ask Horace Grant bout Jordan..Or Dennis Hopson or Steve Kerr but people call him a leader because he won.. Great Leaders sometimes lose too..

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Exactly, These guy bashed there teamates all the time. Kobe and Jordan. Definetely at practice they talked smack and gave the guys drive to get better or get shamed on simple as that. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 Exactly, These guy bashed there teamates all the time. Kobe and Jordan. Definetely at practice they talked smack and gave the guys drive to get better or get shamed on simple as that. 

[SpaceghostParticipant]

 Larry Hughes.. Daniel "Boobie" Gibson..Damon Jones, Donyell Marshal… NOPE thats not an answer to a JOKE.. THAT IS THE ROSTER HE TOOK TO THE 2006 FINALS..but he is a terrible leader.. what kinda silly foolishness. IS he a lil testy this year YES.. is his body language not so positive this year yes. BUT to question a MAN that Drags IMAN SHUMPERT and his hair and JR "DUM DUM" Smith to the finals and actually compete. LEADERSHIP is unquestioned.

 

BASHING TEAMMATES.. Ask Horace Grant bout Jordan..Or Dennis Hopson or Steve Kerr but people call him a leader because he won.. Great Leaders sometimes lose too..

 

 

 

 

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 So the original post is pretty ridiculous and I make no claims as to Lebrons ‘s leadership, but given how much trouble numerous starts have far performing on the save team as Lebrons, is it fair to wonder if he’s as easy a teammate to play with as his great paying would suggest?

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 So the original post is pretty ridiculous and I make no claims as to Lebrons ‘s leadership, but given how much trouble numerous starts have far performing on the save team as Lebrons, is it fair to wonder if he’s as easy a teammate to play with as his great paying would suggest?

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