First off, i want people to understand, i am NOT saying that LeBron sucks, that he's not good. LeBron James is the most productive player in the NBA. Statistically, LeBron is the BEST Player in the NBA. However, basketball is not just statistics. Now since the finals, the hate on LeBron and his Fourth quarter has cooled down. LeBron has been off to a great start in the season, averaging over 30 points, rebounding the ball well, finding open teammates and playing good defense. The heat are 4-0. However just looking at the last two games that Miami played (and in the playoffs) it is not LeBron that hit the game winners in Charlotte, or Minessotta. It was Dwyane Wade. And this just shows why LeBron is not the best. When his own team needs a bucket in the clutch, they go not to lebron, not to the guy averaging 32-8-8 but to the injured shooting guard with 20-3-6. And this shows alot in LeBron and the Heat. The Heat is NOT LeBrons team, it is still Dwyane Wade's team. So how can the best player in the NBA not even be the GUY in his team hitting the game winning shots or not even that but the Guy that the team goes to in the clutch expecting to make the plays. The Coach Erik Spoelstra drew up a play for Dwyane Wade and Not lebron. LeBron is definately one of the most TALENTED players in the NBA. However, until he can be the man in miami to do these things, i cannot consider him the best player in the NBA.
Now who do i consider the Best in the NBA? Kevin Durant. Yes i understand he is young, he hasn't reached the finals yet, statistically he is doing good but not as good as LeBron. And yes he has hit game-winners however they haven't really mattered, i mean KD hasn't even WON yet has he? He doesn't even have any MVPs yet in his belt. However it is clear that KD is the best player in OKC. He is Hands down, the best scorer in the NBA. For All the Talk that he doesn't know how to rebound the Man is averaging SEVEN rebounds a game. He is also averaging almost 5 assists a game. And furthermore he is shooting 57% from the field! He is a better shooter than LeBron is, he draws the most fouls in the NBA and he makes almost all of them. People forget that just 3 years ago Oklahoma City was a 23 win team. A team people considered was the WORST team in the NBA. Also KD is an underrated defender. He has averaged more than a steal and a block a game thru his career. Also, he has a fire in his eyes that you can't teach. He wants to be better. and the scary thing is, he will get better. His 7 rebound a game average can improve his passing can improve. But one thing that doesn't need improvement is his Clutch ability.
LeBron would have came through in the past two games had he been the one called upon. One game winner was an alley oop, you don't think LeBron could have finished that if that pass was thrown to him? His late game play is just another thing naysayers and dislikers like to make a story on and make as if he hasn't been incredible down the stretch before.
There's a reason LeBron isn't being called upon though... The Heat called upon him ALL of last season and he didn't come through.
There's a reason they are calling on D. Wade now and it's because he's a better clutch performer and always has been.
This is D. Wade's team, not LeBron's. LeBron is the best player in the NBA for the first 40-45 minutes, but the ball needs to be in D. Wade's hands when it matters the most.
This isn't a knock on LeBron really... I mean, I think this is the reason he came to Miami to begin with.
I get the hype about KD, but the game isn't all about offense. LeBron is the better than KD in most facets of the game, especially defense. The bulls series showed his defensive ability, as he can guard the 1-4 extremely well and shut down the fasted player in the league.
All in all, Durant is closing the talent Gap, but LeBron is still the best. Just because he doesnt shoot the game winner, doesn't mean the team isn't his. If he hadn't played like he did, they wouldn't have been in the position to win the game. The game can't be won in the 4th quarter if you don't play the other 3 quarters
And D-Wade came through last season? Nah.
LeBron can make amazing plays at any given time, and he has before, time after time.
IF I'm a Miami or LeBron fan, I'm happy that the ball is in D. Wade's hands when the game is on the line. He's simply better than LeBron there. He's just better breaking his man down, creating space and getting his shot off. He's more creative off of the dribble.
Let LeBron be LeBron and dominate for the first 40 or so minutes and then when the game is on the line, let D. Wade do what he does.
This is what's going to get Miami a championship in my opinion.
Then why hasn't a play been called for LeBron this season JamminLemon?
I think D. Wade tried to make LeBron comfortable too much last season instead of doing what he does best. He was trying to adapt to LeBron instead of just being who he is.
D. Wade is a better clutch performer than LeBron and history proves that. D. Wade has done it consistently at every level, while LeBron has not.
And even during a key moment vs Minny today, LeBron through the WORST pass of the game.
Your'e funny^. People like you were quite mum during the Bulls and Celtics series last year when LeBron took over routinely down the stretch. But its okay, we could just act like that never happened too. The Finals were a disaster for the team as a whole. they had that series in the bag and gave it away.
And even during a key moment vs Minny today, LeBron through the WORST pass of the game.
Huh, I thought the alley oop was a great pass. hmm..
I don't understand why LeBron fans are so sensitive to the truth... It's not like anybody has said LeBron has never made big plays or big shots down the stretch.
He's just not consistently clutch though and leaves people scratching their heads. Majority of people who know basketball would agree that the ball should be in D. Wade's hands. The only people who don't, are just diehard LeBron fans who can't accept reality.
D. Wade is a better clutch player than LeBron and that's just the way it is. That doesn't mean LeBron is a bum... Just means, that D. Wade should have the ball when the game is on the line.
Honestly, you really have to give Spoelstra credit for running that play. The pick set for Wade created the open lane.
IF you look at the replay, the pass LeBron through was actually short (almost picked off). Wade did a good job grabbing it and completing the layup.
D. Wade struggled majority of the game and was slowed by a sore foot, while LeBron was dominate... YET Miami STILL called the two clutch plays down the stretch for D. Wade.
If that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what will.
Anyone who thinks Durant is better then LeBron needs to actually watch games.
Look, the Heat have finnaly figured somthing out, and that somthing is that Lebron is better than Dwade. There is no better way to put it. He is just simply able to dominate the game at any given moments in all facets of the game. But when the game is on the line, the Heat have figured out that Dwade is the answer. He is able to get to his spot and knock his shto down. It is winning them games, and don't expect them to deter from that strategy anytime soon. This has been working for them, so they'll stay with it. Durant is just as good if not a better scorer than Lebron, and Durant does what his team needs his team to do, but overall Lebron is the better player right now. That may change in the years to come, because Durant has been racking up assists this season, his handles have gotten tighter, and as he puts on more wieght, his rebounding ability will get better, so I could see a 32, 9 and 6 season for Durant in the coming years, but for now, Lebron is the best player in the League no doubt about it mainly cause he has the complete package and because he does so many different things to help your team win.
LeBron is clearly the best overall and two way player in the NBA.
However, depending on how much Durant develops over the next year or two, I do think he can pass LeBron. Simply because Durant can become a player that is literally undefendable for every defender and every defense. LeBron can be neutralized if you zone him and make him shoot jumpers. That's what the Mavs did to him last season and he couldn't even get to the free-throw line. And due to the fact he's an inconsistent jumpshooter, he lost all confidence.
^^^^What I was confused about the finals was, you had two of the best slashers in the nba yet they didn't know how to begin to beat the zone. That still puzzles me
I can agree he can be better then LeBron, but I don't think he will until LeBron is on the downside of his career. LeBron's overall package is just incredible.
D-Rose with 10 first half assists. He could get a new career high tonight.
EDIT: Whoops wrong thread.
Drose definately stepping it up even more this season, scoring distributing finally has a good sg.
^There's never a wrong thread for a fact like that, thanks for the update.
Based on what LeBron is showing right now, it's looking like it'll be tough to catch him. I mean, if he keeps developing his post game and a consistent jumper, it's honestly a wrap.
His scoring is probably going to take a dip this year, but his playmaking and efficiency should be better and help out the team more. I wouldn't be shocked if Rose was on the wrong side of 20 ppg for the year.
Like I said in a diff post, it baffles me that people still think someone is better than Bron. But I also agree that Lebron still is not clutch until he shows us otherwise. But he is the best player in the NBA no questions.
I agree with you Indiana Basketball, by the looks of it, it seems like Lebron is going to score it a ton this season. The Heat have finally realized that they need to be the Oregon Ducks of the NBA, and his scoring will increase.
But Durant's offensive game is just so dominant, and it seems like he is only getting better.
Even with the compressed and suicidal schedule, I feel that Lebron will average 31, 9 and 7.
But just looking at how Durant is playing offensivly and all the potential he has to expand it, I think he can score 35 a game in a season very soon.
And I think Rose will get more efficient, and will shoot a much higher percentage as his career progresses, however I think his scoring won't top last season's, cause last season he had to shoulder a large percentage of the load due to Noah and Boozer's injuries. I think that Rose will only become a better distributor with time, as he has shown tonight. I think he'll be a 23 and 9 guy for years to come.
Dang, Dwight doin work! 24 boards agian for not only the second consecutive game, but the second consecutive day. His offensive game however is getting off to a slow start, shooting 7-16 from the field today, and 6-14 from the line, 20 points in all.
But the fact that he is getting so many rebounds(6 of them offensive in each game) tells me that he is still giving his all, and NOT going into "Vince Carter in Toronto" mode, cause rebounding is a big effort area, and the part of the game I saw, Dwight was clearly getting all of the hustle points.
just to neg you. Good day sir.
just to neg you. Good day sir.
......you can't be serious. When I watch a game, and you're in all the highlights above the rim, your team is 4-0, and i look at the box score and see statlines that look like 34-10-6 every game, that says LeBron's jersey should say "Valuable-Player" on the back, first name "Most" since we got a Metta World Peace running around lol. Sure DWade's the closer, but he wouldn't be in postion to close to the game if LeBron wasn't goin H.arder than A. M.other-effer the whole first 42 minutes of the game. Okay Lebron has a little stage fright or what have you at the end of the game, but he impacts the game in so many other ways.....so many more ways better than Durant does. Durant is closing the gap, and i'm an adamant supporter of his, he's been fun to watch ever since Texas and probably WILL surpass LeBron one day soon perhaps. Today is NOT that one day though. Lebron creates a plethora of shots for him and and his teamates, is becoming an efficent scorer on the low block, is a great on ball and weak side defender, a consistent rebounder.....LeBron Raymone James is the best player in the NBA. Durant is simply just a better shooter than LeBron. This may end up being the best season LeBron's had yet.
I need some more negatives, i've run out!
I need some more negatives, i've run out!
Kevin Durant is not the passer/defender LeBron is.
Also, noone notices how LeBron had a monster game, but Wade went 5-15 before hitting those last two shots. LeBron is killing himself for 3Q's to have Wade dominate the 4th.
Edit: This is the second time in 2 games. Give LeBron at least the credit for holding the team together. We're in this era of "CLUTCH IS ALL THAT MATTERS" when there's 4 quarters.
Better player right now: LeBron.
Who I would take to build a team around: Durant.
That's interesting. LeBron is the far superior playmaker and a better defender as well. He could take any team in the NBA to the playoffs. Why choose Durant?
I think it's easier to build a team around Durant offensively.
I respect you for saying what you think even though it's not a popular opinion. Durant needs to becaome a better defender though but his ceiling is crazy high. Lebron right now though is at the top of his game, he's playing smart, he's playing to his true strenghts: took his FIRST three of the year tonight and letting others take over in the 4th. I see blemishes in both of their games, but Lebron is still better.
Indiana Basketball is right on. Durant's offensive game is more compatible with so many different types of of players. But Lebron can take a team to the Playoffs on his own, which is why he is better, but like Aran said, Durant is the easier player to build around, and that is because he isn't as ball dominant as Lebron. You get the ball to Durant in the wign area, and he gets to his spot and drills his shot. He can work off the ball and defenders are hesitant to leave him to help drivers like Westbrook which opens up the driving lanes. That is why Durant's presence on the court makes it easier for a guy like Westbrook and Harden to get to the rim.
Woahhhh you really said you would take Durant over Lebron to start a franchise??? WOW
Durant is good but.....he's no Lebron, You do remember Lebron is the same guy that took a sorry Cavs team to the Finals and led them to the best record in the L, about 3 times....And he's the same guy that can Score,Defend,Rebound,Facilitate,and actually make players better...COUGH (Mo Williams)
Durant is a top notch scorer no doubt, but he doesnt bring nowhere near as much to the table as Bron does.
Yea, while Durant is probably easier to build a offense around, James makes running a offense way more easier. I just feel like Durant doesn't attack the basket. You could control Durant if you don't let him knife a D. I rather have LeBron, because I saw him get to the finals with worse talent.
"I just feel like Durant doesn't attack the basket."
How does that make sense? Other than Dwight Howard, nobody has attempted more free-throws than Kevin Durant over the past few seasons.
Nobody has made more free-throws than Durant the last few seasons. He gets you damn near 9-10 free-throws per game, which means he's attacking the basket at a superstar level.
That's not necessarily true. He gets to the line a lot by being very crafty.
In 2009-2010 Durant took 840 free-throws... That's an average of 10.2 per game. That was more than Howard, LeBron, Wade and everyone else.
And you think that was just due to being very crafty?
During the last few seasons, Durant has taken more free-throws than any other player in basketball, except for Howard. He's made more than anybody. These are facts.
I'm not saying it's only due to being crafty, but he definitely gets fouled more outside of the paint then any of those guys. It's definitely not all about attacking.
Ask OKC and Cleveland which player they would prefer to build around. Durant stuck with the team that drafted him. That loyalty and team mentality bridges the gap in talent in my book.
Also: KD is 4 years younger and has more room to improve. He appears less distracted in marketing his brand off the court. Plus Durant doesn't need anyone else to take the big shots for him at the end of games.
I think people mean that Lebron is the best all around player in the league.
If you want to say which player is most clutch then Kobe and Dirk are still ahead of Wade and Lebron.
Beating Minnesota and Charlotte in the last minute of the 1st week of the reg. season doesn't decide anything.
Wade got a pass in the Finals even though he kinda sucked the last 2 games while everyone was ripping Lebron.
Don't forget that it was Lebron slowed down Derrick Rose in the Conf. Finals and won games on offense while Wade struggled with his shot.
I think Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now, but allow me to play devil's advocate.
Dwight Howard has a worse supporting cast than Lebron ever had in Cleveland. Seriously, Hedo seems like he's good if you only remember a few year's ago, but he's absolutely done, Jason Richardson is mediocre, and Jameer is barely above average. JJ Reddick and Ryan Anderson might be the next two best players on the Magic and, unless something huge changes, that's worst in the league territory, especially defensively... until you look at Dwight, who keeps them top 5 in defense every year, a herculean, Olajuwon in his prime level task given what's around, and always has them nearly atop the east. Even with mediocre roster construction around him, how the hell could you score on a Dwight centered team? I mean, wouldn't a real wing stopper, let alone another star on the level of even Bosh, make the Magic among the short list of favorites for the Conference finals?
I truly believe that only Dwight and Lebron can make mediocre supporting casts title contenders... but Dwight's is so bad, we can't even call it mediocre. Lebron has, currently, an excellent supporting cast and hasn't done it yet. Advantage: Howard.
KD is 4 years younger and has more room to improve. He appears less distracted in marketing his brand off the court. Plus Durant doesn't need anyone else to take the big shots for him at the end of games.
That hurt a lot of feelings lol.