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LBJ to LAC?

IMO there are 4 teams in the LBJ race in 2010....Cleveland,New York, Brooklyn and the LA Clippers.

Im serious. The Clippers will have a excellent chance. Let me tell each team chances and percent chance of getting LBJ

Cleveland

Why-Hometown boy, great team nucleus, easy division to win and could win another MVP
Why Not- 66 wins and almost swept. Cant Attract the big names, no #2 player.
Percent- 30%

New York
Why-The Big Apple, 2nd biggest Franchise on the East coast, load of cap space in 2010, beloved coach
Why Not- Would have to build again, who else wants to go to NYK?
Percent-20%

Brooklyn
Why-Brook Lopez, Jay-Z and Devin Harris
Why Not- I dont know, I think more players would choose NY than Bk (and i lived in Bk)
Percent-15%

Clippers
Why-Big 4 there (Davis, Griffin, Gordon and Thronton), Wont improve so another good player coming in 2010 (Favors? Warren? Davis? Motiejunas? Brackins?)
Why Not-Losing Franchise. Mike Dunleavy.
Percent-35%

What do u think?


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Clippers 0% Why Not- I

Clippers 0% Why Not- I don't need to explain, The Clippers are a horrible organization. LeBron is an east coast kind of guy. LeBron doesn't want to play for that other team in LA. Lets be honest there is only one relevant team in LA and that is the Lakers.

Cleveland 15% Why- Just because of wanting to stay home and winning a championship for Cleveland.
Why Not- He is getting bored. He isn't getting enough help. He wants to play on a bigger stage where he can become a bigger
legend.

New Jersey 35% Why- Don't underestimate his close relationship with Jay Z. Nets should have a better supporting cast than Cleveland.
Why Not- Plaing for the Nets just doesn't have the same feel as playing for the Knicks does.

New York 50% Why- LeBron loves New York. This is the biggest stage in all of basketball. The Knicks will have just as big as a supporting cast as Cleveland.
Why Not- I can't think of a reason....

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your total percentages equal

@QHaynes

your total percentages equal 140% ?

... using your logic of percentages id say you are 140% stupid to think Lebron would go to the Clippers over Cleveland or NYC.

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GatorHeels 1st-check out my

GatorHeels

1st-check out my mock

2nd-Crazy. Your telling me LBJ will not think about the Clippers?

Like I said before, You Fire Mike Dunleavy and get a new coach and then

Davis ( who is training to have his best season ever) could get 18ppg and 10apg
Gordon(2nd season and shocked some people with his skill set) could give you 20ppg
Thornton(3rd season and played surprisingly well) can get 18-20ppg and 7rpg
Randolph (Although i dislike him and everything he stands for) get 20ppg easy
Camby and Kaman could combine for 23ppg and 14rpg

They may move Kaman for the 12th overall pick from Charlotte so why not add a Earl Clark or Jrue Holiday at 12 with Griffin at 1?

Then if they struggle next season and pick in the lottery again...they will have a shot at another good player in what maybe be the best draft since 96

Imagine this

Davis
Gordon
James
Griffin
Camby

Bench
Favors
Thornton
Jordan
Taylor

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That's more than 100% brah.

That's more than 100% brah. I think he ends up in Brooklyn, but that's just not me. Not because of the Jay-Z factor, but because he want's to play in a bigger market.

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I changed the % and if he

I changed the % and if he wanna win a title...it would make sense to go to LAC

Im a Knicks fan and if he went to the Knicks, i would be complaining nut LAC is loaded and a guy like LBJ can put them over the top

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imagine

will you stop creating and imagining possibilities. Evry year things change. IMAGINE if cleveland wins the finals next year then what happens? I wished they won this year to stop this Lebron to _____ talk.

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Its gonna happen...why are

Its gonna happen...why are you gettiing so mad?

At least im not saying hes going to MIA...

Im actually making sense...it would be a good idea if LBJ moved from Cleveland

Are you a Cavs fan man? If you are...im sorry

If Cleveland wins the title next season ( which they wont unless they add a #2 player) LBJ would stay.

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no

not a cavs fan. But i would like this 2 yr. topic to go away. If it happens it happens. I dont like to watch sports center and the top story is will Lebron leave or stay. &$#%#&@! he still has another year on his contract. Lets talk about it next summer!

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I understand and agree Im

I understand and agree

Im not trying to stir the pot with this LBJ topic but

He is the best player in the NBA and his contract is up. The World is wondering will he stay or go

Im just providing another team who he may look at.

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Your situation is quite

Your situation is quite unrealistic. Davis, Gordon, James, Griffin, Camby, Favors, Thornton? I guarantee you that will not happen. Davis will be gone if the went after LeBron and I doubt they get Favors. They will porbably win some games and get like the 12th pick. Favors won't be there. So even if everything happened right and they were all there, Thornton gets pissed Becuase he won't get his shots, Gordon and Davis same thing and how do you plan on paying all of them? They are all going to get paid around 10 mil except Griffin because of his rookie contract.

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I know. I hear you.

I know. I hear you. Randolph's money comes off in 2011. So you will have that much

Trade Davis or even buyout his contract (noone takes advantage of the Allan Houston rule anymore)

Camby's 10 mil comes off the books in 2010. Resign him for like 4-5 mil

Gordon and Thornton can be risigned ( extend their contract on the last year of the rookie deal like LA did with Bynum)

True, but still at 12, you can add another good player

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from your projected PPG for

from your projected PPG for the clippers those 6 guys would combine to average 100 PPG... lol that just doesn't happen.

it would be interesting to see LBJ in LA. I could see him doing it for a couple reasons

1. LA is a big market

2. LAC is the worst franchise of any sport in America, bar none, even the raiders. It'd be a huge challenge to try and bring the worst franchise ever a championship. if he could do it, it'd probably be the single greatest feat in basketball. seriously. 81 in a game? Magical rookie plays center in the finals? Clippers win a title? that's just unbelievable.

3. it'd be a direct challenge to Kobe. They'd be in a division race for Kobe's remaining years. They'd play in the same building. It'd be the ultimate chance to squash any talk of Kobe>LBJ

4. The clippers will have 3 pieces who could all emerge better than any of Cleveland's current guys (Thorton, Gordon, Griffin) and 3 vets (Kaman, Camby, Davis)

That said, I don't see it happening. I'd give it about .000001 chance. I'd respect LBJ a lot more if he tried though!

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I hear you about the losing

I hear you about the losing part but Everything there is almost like waitng for LBj

and those numbers are estimates....

What if LBJ went to LA with that lineup? man were talking about DyNasty

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your argument holds more

your argument holds more weight if it's realistic

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what do u mean?

what do u mean?

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when u make up a scenario,

when u make up a scenario, it's much more powerful when it's realistic. if it doesn't seem possible than people are much less likely to believe the rest of what is said.

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What do u mean? Anything is

What do u mean? Anything is possible in the NBA, Your acting as if LBJ said he playing his whole career in cleveland

I didnt say oh well . It set in stone, LBJ is going to NY or stay in Cleveland. Any team that called LBJ and presents him a good team, large market and good players to help him should be in the running.

IMO, LBJ would be a good fit in LAC and he could change LAC's Franchise around

I saw someone on Espn talk about him and LAC too...so im not the only one. On my "Lebron to the Knicks Thread", I threw out the idea of the Clippers and i did some research and decided to make this post

And Im a Knick fan

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i was just talking about the

i was just talking about the scenario where you said Davis, Gordon, LBJ, Thorton, and Camby/Kaman combined would average ~20/each for a total of ~100 points.... to me, that's unrealistic

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NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

NEVER!!!

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i was just talking about the

i was just talking about the scenario where you said Davis, Gordon, LBJ, Thorton, and Camby/Kaman combined would average ~20/each for a total of ~100 points.... to me, that's unrealistic

Oh...well yea..i said those were estimates

PIT bulls
Why is it never gonna happen?

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the clippers?

the clippers? I would like to think that the clippers had a chance but heres how I see things:

1. lebron stays in the east

we all know that currently, the east is up for grabs. the celtics, with the worst team, added two players and won a title. lebron does not want to go west and try to bring a team ip in a conference that was seperated, 2nd to 8th by 6 games. plus, he would play in the division of the lakers. doesnt seem better than the central, where he is on top already, and the atlantic.

2. why leave clevland?

cleveland is already good. people think that if the knicks could get a good player, lebron would want to sign with them. how about clevland's chances of getting someone good as well?

3. the clippers?

this is almost self explanitory. one of the best players in the league signing with one of the worst organizations. not happening.

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sorry man

I agree with everyone else...your crazy on this...

1. clippers suck..period

2. Money...they always are capped out and will waste even more money by the time his current contract is done

3. In order to sign him, they would have to trade away the guys who would be the only reason he goes..griffin,gordn and thorton alone aren't going to draw him. they will still be too young to really win. specially in the west

4. Hes not playing second fiddle to kobe in LA. Every game he loses will be another "kobes LA team is better" stamp

5. Clippers management sucks...their the detroit lions of basketball

6. your basing it on alottttt of what if stuff...what if someone actually takes barons contract...what if they somehow trick a person into takin kaman or randolph.

7. The nba wouldn't allow it...think of the potential lebron/nyk vs kobe/lal finals talk...he got this much bs hype in cleveland, imagine what would happen if hes on a even decent knicks team.

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counterpoint to you

1. Lets look at the West and thier playoff teams
1-LA (for about 2 more season they will dominate.)
2-Denver(Once Billups is done,they are)
3-San Antonio (Old, and getting older)
4-Portland(the only team to worry about in the future)
5-Houston (good team but Yao, Artest and T-mac are old)
6-Dallas (Next)
7-NO(Only thing to worry about is CP3)
8-Utah(Williams and thats it)

2.Why not leave Cleveland
Even if they win 75 games next season, if they dont find him a #2, they wont win a title

3.The Clippers?
Yes, i understand they are terrible, but LBJ can change it and on top of that, LBJ would be coming into a situation where he could be playing alongside 2 #1's in Gordon and Griffin

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1st off...what do u mean?

1st off...what do u mean? Kaman is rumored to go to the BobCats

Camby contract is off the books next year

Do you know how good Gordon and Thornton are? Adding Griffin could be a stamp for him.

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Kobe runs Los Angeles... As

Kobe runs Los Angeles... As mentioned earlier, Lebron will stay on the east coast. And I do think he wants to get out of Cleveland, especially after they tried getting role players and failed against the Magic.

My guess is he is going to New York. If Lebron get's there it will attract other players. Wouldn't be too much of a rebuilding process.

Think about when Garnett went to Boston... then got Ray Allen. Team won the championship in one year.

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Uhh..Kobe wont be running LA

Uhh..Kobe wont be running LA if Kobe went.

My guess is he goes to NYK too.
1-Im a Knick fan
2-I made a post about it

This post is that would it make sense if he looked at LAC to go to

Yea..But the difference between Bos and LAC is that if LAC, they could already have 2 good players/ borderline superstars/

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QHaynes.... Yes I am telling

QHaynes.... Yes I am telling you that LeBron will not think about the Clippers. I checked out your mock draft and it looks good. Except Douglas will go in the 2nd round, Summers will go in the 1st round, Calathes should go very early 2nd round.

If you were LeBron would you really want to play for the Clippers? hell no I would much rather play in Madison Square Garden.

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First off...Thanks for

First off...Thanks for checking the mock man

I feel you. But I think were you play is 2nd to LBJ, the 1st should be who you play with...

Mo Williams
Delonte West
Joe Smith
Wally
Big Z

These guys wont cut it anymore, He was upset at the fact they did not win. None of these guys are #2 options. Unless you bring in a #2 option, He will leave.

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I realize his team in

I realize his team in Cleveland won't cut it that is why he will go to the Knicks.

Knicks Lineup
PG- Curry
SG- doesn't matter
SF- LeBron
PF- Bosh or Amare
C- whoever

Gallinari coming off the bench.

LeBron would choose that lineup over the Clippers.

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Im A Knicks Fan man so i

Im A Knicks Fan man so i would be happy if we got KING James

Except, I dont think Curry will be there at 8

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Yeah that is true, there is

Yeah that is true, there is a descent chance he won't be there at 8. If not the Knicks may get Jrue or Jennings who in my opinion would both be even better than Curry eventually.

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I agree.

I agree.

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Since we're playing make believe

I think LeBron can go to the Warriors and put them over the top too, the beat the Clippers on a nightly basis, and if speculation ius correct the Baron wants to leave LA and come back HOME (yes i said it), the a nucleus of Baron, Monta, Stack Jack, LeBron and Biedrins with Azibuke, Randolph, Turiaf, and Watson off the bench, they can be contenders too. And while i'm at it, I think Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, LBJ, Yao and Rajon Rondo are all gonna join the same team after 2010 and win 8 titles in a row.

QHaynes lets be honest, why would LeBron join the Clippers instead of NY which is the number 1 market in the nation. Cmon man, and how do the Clips achieve the caproom to pull this off?

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QHaynes lets be honest, why

QHaynes lets be honest, why would LeBron join the Clippers instead of NY which is the number 1 market in the nation. Cmon man, and how do the Clips achieve the caproom to pull this off?

I never said that...I said " If LBJ is considering teams to join, LAC should be on the list" since you cant read. And LAC can get cap room for him...let me show you

Davis and Camby come off the cap (15.5 mil combined) before 2010

The highest amount of money a FA can make by switching teams? 15 mil

and for Gordon and Thornton

Randolph comes off the books in 2011 ( i believe 17-20 mil) so you can resign them

For Griffin

Davis comes off the books in 2013.

So shut up with all that make believe BS, stop hating on my idea...

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And if can read....i said

And if can read....i said 1000000 times...im a knicks fan

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lebron could also go to

lebron could also go to phoenix or philly or chicago right? lebron could go anywhere because if he said i want to play here the team signs him. REALISTICALLY there are 3 teams that would get a chance at him. 45% chance- CLEVELAND- already there and familiar, close to home, already a franchise that needs saving. 45% chance- NEW YORK- will have younger team and most likely a legit #2(AMARE/BOSH), huge media market, NY YANKEES. 10% chance- NEW JERSEY- JAY-Z, two emerging stars(Harris is a good #2), negative- may not move to brooklyn.

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PS- TO ALL THAT IT MAY

PS- TO ALL THAT IT MAY CONCERN- THE MOCK DRAFTS THAT MOST PEOPLE DO ARE GREAT! BUT ALL THESE HYPOTHETICAL TRADES, FREE AGENTS TO EVERY TEAM, AND 2011 DRAFT PICKS ARE WASTING ALOT OF TIME FOR ALOT OF PEOPLE. PLEASE, LETS STICK TO MOCK DRAFTS! THANKS.

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LAC could be a good spot for

LAC could be a good spot for him as well because

you have Gordon and Thornton and Griffin already there.

He could lead that team and make them better

Also, Trinajoe check out the updated mock

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Funny, but...

I've actually heard some dudes on NBATV talking about the Clippers being a possibility for Bron. I laughed at first, but they made some convincing points. One guy mentioned how the Clippers came close to signing Kobe the summer of 2004. This is when the Clippers had Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Shaun Livingston, Corey Maggette, Kerry Kittles, Bobby Simmons, Chris Wilcox & a couple of other decent players. Kobe's thinking was that adding himself to that core of young talented players would instantly make them a championship contender. The guy's whole point was that Bron could be enticed the same way Kobe was.

I honestly think Bron will re-up w/ the Cavs, but anything is possible. I think his actions this summer will say a lot. He'll have a chance to re-up early & if he doesn't, then we know he's keeping an open mind. If you think about it... If Bron wasn't already keeping an open mind, don't you think he would've announced a long time ago that he wasn't going anywhere?

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I've actually heard some

I've actually heard some dudes on NBATV talking about the Clippers being a possibility for Bron. I laughed at first, but they made some convincing points. One guy mentioned how the Clippers came close to signing Kobe the summer of 2004. This is when the Clippers had Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Shaun Livingston, Corey Maggette, Kerry Kittles, Bobby Simmons, Chris Wilcox & a couple of other decent players. Kobe's thinking was that adding himself to that core of young talented players would instantly make them a championship contender. The guy's whole point was that Bron could be enticed the same way Kobe was.

THANK YOU!!! I'm not crazy!!!! LOL...LAC is a team that should be able to attract LBJ's attention

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LBJ to the clips would be

LBJ to the clips would be AMAZING, but, i think the guy who has an actually good shot of signing with clips in this manner is Kevin Durant.

1. you know that he wants out of OKC but is just saying the right things currently.
2. clips = hell of a lot of cap space in 2011 with randolph, ricky davis, camby off the books by then.
3. big market
4. not immense pressure due to lakers' shadow.
5. young core + him = championship contender.

what do u think about that possibility?

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I love the Idea!!! No lie. I

I love the Idea!!! No lie. I think KD may stay in OKC with Green and Westbrook though.

Unless Green, Westbrook are better than Griffin,Gordon and Thornton, he could go to LAC

By 2011, I believe KD will be a top 3 player in the NBA

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It's Cleveland,NY, or NJ. My

It's Cleveland,NY, or NJ. My money s on Cleveland if they haven't won a title yet. But i think he wants to play for NJ simply b/c Jay-Z is his agent and also a owner of the Nets if i recall. though i must admit im not certain on the situation, just going on reports i heard last year or so. NY would bethe meca in term of becoming the global icon he longs to be.

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That's part of the problem.

That's part of the problem. Lebron truely feels mo is a #2 option. There will never be a legit #2 option until LBJ decides to play off ball in the post or he decides tothrow to a post player, which really kinda wastes Lebron's tlent's. Until he gets a jumper coming off of screens and set shots better he's not gonna be able to have a real #2option. Only players likeMo,J-Rich,JR Smith, can work wit theway Lebronze approaches the game. I personally think he HAS to have a lineup of shooters for him to be able t play at his highest level.Which works god regular season, but come playoff time...your not gonna be able to beat a team 4 times out of 7 times by yourself. Not four separte teams as well. No matter how physically imposing LBJ is, because he still has toset up from the perimeter.

In conclusion, Lebronze use your post options or become a consistent one yourself.

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imo, LAC is the only place

imo, LAC is the only place that could offer lebron something that every other big market could not offer him: a chance to compete with kobe for spotlight every night. imagine those two in the same city/building battling it out every night. also 4 matchups in the regular season along with the chance to take the clips to the top of the LA food chain which many think is impossible. LA is a city that likes winning teams. when winning happens, seats are filled no matter the team. dodgers are having crazy attendance as they are #1 in the MLB. If the clips win a lot (titles) and have big names, they can surpass the lakers as LA's team who will have an aging kobe, an inconsistent and overrated bynum, maybe gasol still, and who knows what else is left. compare that to LBJ, griffin, gordon, baron davis, Deandre Jordan, al thornton, chris kaman, and mike taylor (yes all fit under the cap) and you have a big advantage for the clips. will it happen? idk. would LBJ be smart to take the opportunity? yes.

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LBJ stays East

I highly doubt LBJ would go to the clippers for the following reasons:

1. Clippers are a "loser" franchise by reputation. Even their good teams can't erase the loser stigma that has been attached to the franchise since Donald Sterling took over ownership. It may not be fair but the negative reputation I think will affect decisions of the first tier players.

2. As mentioned in another post, a Kevin Durrant may be a more reasonable prospect to go the Clips than an East coast guy like Lebron.

3. Lebron, if ever he moves, will do it in his own best interest. That means (a) media market NY, (b) personal ties in NJ, (c) staying home in Cleveland. If ever he moves to LA, it will only be to the Lakers. Too much negative baggage attached to the clips as a franchise. I dont think lebron risks everything for them.

4. I think image will be a major factor for lebron. He goes to a team that can enhance his efforts to try and match or better MJ.

Interesting on the KD scenario though. LBJ in NY vs KD in LA for the NBA's future. KD should be peaking just as Kobe's getting ready to retire.

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i agree with the fact that

i agree with the fact that KD to LAC has a much better chance of happening, but, jcj: u said that NY is a major media market for the reason that NY could be the choice, well the clips are in LA, the entertainment capital of the world and both the knicks and the clips have been historically bad in the last decade except that the clips had the deep playoff run more recently.

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I dunno why but Q told me

I dunno why but Q told me his account got banned or something. I'm his friend and we msg all the time, he told me he cannot log in

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so, so far we have NBATV

so, so far we have NBATV talking about the LBJ to LAC possibility, and PTI talking about it and both Wilbon and Kornheiser (clipper haters) agreeing with that being the best option for lebron. So what do u think, is there really a decent chance Lebron signs with the Clippers?

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Q's account got banned :(

Q's account got banned :(

he told me yesterday

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