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  • #53829
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    LambTheBeast03
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     What is the history on 6-7 to 6-9 SFs  who have succeeded in the league without a 3 point shot? 

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  • #870489
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    mplsrawkus
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     DR.J shot 29% and Grant Hill and Scottie Pippen and Dominique Wilkins all shot 31% for there Careers. they could all hit open 3’s every once in awhile but those shot percentages show they really couldn’t shoot the long ball. but if your looking for a good wing player that can’t make a 3 to save his life, i would have to think about that one.

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  • #870595
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     DR.J shot 29% and Grant Hill and Scottie Pippen and Dominique Wilkins all shot 31% for there Careers. they could all hit open 3’s every once in awhile but those shot percentages show they really couldn’t shoot the long ball. but if your looking for a good wing player that can’t make a 3 to save his life, i would have to think about that one.

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  • #870493
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    Shawn Marion. career 33% 3 point shooter and we all know how his jump shot looks lol.

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  • #870599
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    Shawn Marion. career 33% 3 point shooter and we all know how his jump shot looks lol.

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  • #870495
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    LambTheBeast03
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     I’m thinking of Jerami Grant. Handles the ball well and his mid range game has improved to go with that freakish athleticism but he literally hasn’t made one 3 all year (only taken 5)…can he succeed just doing what he is good at or does he NEED to add that to his game to be successful in the league?  I’m so in awe of his relentless pursuit of the ball and the way he attacks the rim I just really hope his lack of a 3 point threat won’t hold him back at next level.

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  • #870601
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     I’m thinking of Jerami Grant. Handles the ball well and his mid range game has improved to go with that freakish athleticism but he literally hasn’t made one 3 all year (only taken 5)…can he succeed just doing what he is good at or does he NEED to add that to his game to be successful in the league?  I’m so in awe of his relentless pursuit of the ball and the way he attacks the rim I just really hope his lack of a 3 point threat won’t hold him back at next level.

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  • #870497
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     Stacy Augman only shot 15% from 3. i would consider that "no 3 point range" he was 6’6" but he was long and played the sg and sf. he had a long and solid nba career because of his "D"

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    • #870499
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       Josh Smith 27% , i don’t know if you consider him a 3 or a 4 but he fits the size criteria.

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      • #870505
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        LambTheBeast03
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         He’s probably about as close as there is TBH. Good call

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      • #870611
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        LambTheBeast03
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         He’s probably about as close as there is TBH. Good call

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    • #870605
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      mplsrawkus
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       Josh Smith 27% , i don’t know if you consider him a 3 or a 4 but he fits the size criteria.

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  • #870603
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    mplsrawkus
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     Stacy Augman only shot 15% from 3. i would consider that "no 3 point range" he was 6’6" but he was long and played the sg and sf. he had a long and solid nba career because of his "D"

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  • #870501
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    LambTheBeast03
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    I’m worried that without an outside shot he ends up Anthony Randolph…although his feel for the game is exponentially higher.

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  • #870607
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    LambTheBeast03
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    I’m worried that without an outside shot he ends up Anthony Randolph…although his feel for the game is exponentially higher.

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  • #870503
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    LambTheBeast03
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     Iggy early in his career maybe a comp?

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  • #870609
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    LambTheBeast03
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     Iggy early in his career maybe a comp?

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  • #870507
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    mplsrawkus
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     I think if he puts on some muscle he can play the PF. he’s athletic with long arms. the way the nba is heading alot of teams are playing smaller more athletic PF along side there centers.

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  • #870613
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     I think if he puts on some muscle he can play the PF. he’s athletic with long arms. the way the nba is heading alot of teams are playing smaller more athletic PF along side there centers.

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  • #870515
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     George Lynch. Played for the Sixers when they went to the finals. 

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  • #870621
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     George Lynch. Played for the Sixers when they went to the finals. 

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  • #870518
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    That LeBron guy was pretty good for the first 8 years of his career without a 3pt shot… wonder how he’s doing now.

     
    Some guys by the name of Pippen and Wilkins were also pretty good.
     
    Grant Hill, Marques Johnson, Purvis Short were pretty good too.
     
    Guys that are from this decade: Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Corey Brewer, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Lamar Odom, Josh Smith, Corey Maggette, Gerald Wallace, Ruben Patterson, Michael Beasley, Al Thornton and Josh Howard.  Some of these guys can be categorized as SGs or PFs.
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    • #870536
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       But a lot of those guys you mentioned are at least passable 3 point shooters..not that I don’t think Jerami could get there because based on his midrange touch I think he can…How bout Darius Miles? 

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    • #870643
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       But a lot of those guys you mentioned are at least passable 3 point shooters..not that I don’t think Jerami could get there because based on his midrange touch I think he can…How bout Darius Miles? 

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  • #870625
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    That LeBron guy was pretty good for the first 8 years of his career without a 3pt shot… wonder how he’s doing now.

     
    Some guys by the name of Pippen and Wilkins were also pretty good.
     
    Grant Hill, Marques Johnson, Purvis Short were pretty good too.
     
    Guys that are from this decade: Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Corey Brewer, Jimmy Butler, Luol Deng, Lamar Odom, Josh Smith, Corey Maggette, Gerald Wallace, Ruben Patterson, Michael Beasley, Al Thornton and Josh Howard.  Some of these guys can be categorized as SGs or PFs.
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  • #870672
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     I really like Grant’s game, but that lack of shooting does trouble me.  Grant would be really nice on a team with a true stretch-4, like Phoenix with Channing Frye or the Pelicans with Ryan Anderson (unlikely due to the Pelicans lack of a 1st rounder), where Grant could crash the O-boards while the stretch-4 spaced the floor and got back on defense.  Grant could perhaps play PF if he bulked up, at least for an up-tempo team.

    Grant could really benefit from adding a corner 3-point shot to his arsenal.  That would enable him to function as a baseline cutter and crash the boards without hurting spacing too much.  Grant does remind me a bit of Kawhi Leonard and I actually think he is a better prospect than Leonard was when he entered the draft, but Leonard’s career would be going a lot differently if he didn’t develop the ability to hit the corner three.  

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  • #870567
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     I really like Grant’s game, but that lack of shooting does trouble me.  Grant would be really nice on a team with a true stretch-4, like Phoenix with Channing Frye or the Pelicans with Ryan Anderson (unlikely due to the Pelicans lack of a 1st rounder), where Grant could crash the O-boards while the stretch-4 spaced the floor and got back on defense.  Grant could perhaps play PF if he bulked up, at least for an up-tempo team.

    Grant could really benefit from adding a corner 3-point shot to his arsenal.  That would enable him to function as a baseline cutter and crash the boards without hurting spacing too much.  Grant does remind me a bit of Kawhi Leonard and I actually think he is a better prospect than Leonard was when he entered the draft, but Leonard’s career would be going a lot differently if he didn’t develop the ability to hit the corner three.  

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  • #870676
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     Yes there have been guys like Dr J, Pippen, Dominique Wilkins, and Adrian Dantley who had great careers without the 3 point shot. However, the game has changed so much from the 1980s. The league is full of shooters today. Most wing players shoot over 35% from 3, and if they do not, they are typically inefficient and ineffective in the NBA. People have realized that if they have a good range it will be easier to drive to the bucket.

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  • #870571
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     Yes there have been guys like Dr J, Pippen, Dominique Wilkins, and Adrian Dantley who had great careers without the 3 point shot. However, the game has changed so much from the 1980s. The league is full of shooters today. Most wing players shoot over 35% from 3, and if they do not, they are typically inefficient and ineffective in the NBA. People have realized that if they have a good range it will be easier to drive to the bucket.

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  • #870722
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    Grant has ridiculous athleticism, and his skills definitely need to be refined. But he has shown improvements in his jumpshot since the New Year. He doesn’t have the confidence yet to shoot the three ball in game, but he has made a couple deep jumpers that were just inside the 3 point line as of late. The only problem is that the NBA three is even further back. The thing with Grant is that he doesn’t need to become a great three point shooter – he just needs to be respectable behind the arc. He has the athleticism, motor, and defensive potential to play an impact role at the next level. If he adds range out to the NBA 3-point line then he could be a borderline NBA all star (SF is tough with LeBron, KD, Melo, etc. and now Parker and Wiggins coming in too). If he doesn’t add that 3-point shot, then he may be the type who starts on bad teams or plays a key role off the bench for good teams.

     

    And I wouldn’t say Grant’s handles are that good either. They could be worse, but they could also be a lot better. He needs to improve his shot, handles, and maybe put on some extra weight to compete with the big boys at the next level to show teams he’s worth a lottery pick. I know the mock draft right now is pretty much just a draft board, but I don’t see how Grant could go ahead of his teammate, Tyler Ennis at this point. Ennis doesn’t have any holes in his game except many athleticism, which he isn’t that bad at. Ennis, as a freshman, is already more developed than Grant. I think best case scenario, Ennis is a poor man’s Steve Nash (almost identical builds and similar games, but it’s premature to compare Ennis directly to Nash). Grant’s comparison to Thad Young seems fair to me right now, but I would expect that to change by the time he gets into the league. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #870616
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    Grant has ridiculous athleticism, and his skills definitely need to be refined. But he has shown improvements in his jumpshot since the New Year. He doesn’t have the confidence yet to shoot the three ball in game, but he has made a couple deep jumpers that were just inside the 3 point line as of late. The only problem is that the NBA three is even further back. The thing with Grant is that he doesn’t need to become a great three point shooter – he just needs to be respectable behind the arc. He has the athleticism, motor, and defensive potential to play an impact role at the next level. If he adds range out to the NBA 3-point line then he could be a borderline NBA all star (SF is tough with LeBron, KD, Melo, etc. and now Parker and Wiggins coming in too). If he doesn’t add that 3-point shot, then he may be the type who starts on bad teams or plays a key role off the bench for good teams.

     

    And I wouldn’t say Grant’s handles are that good either. They could be worse, but they could also be a lot better. He needs to improve his shot, handles, and maybe put on some extra weight to compete with the big boys at the next level to show teams he’s worth a lottery pick. I know the mock draft right now is pretty much just a draft board, but I don’t see how Grant could go ahead of his teammate, Tyler Ennis at this point. Ennis doesn’t have any holes in his game except many athleticism, which he isn’t that bad at. Ennis, as a freshman, is already more developed than Grant. I think best case scenario, Ennis is a poor man’s Steve Nash (almost identical builds and similar games, but it’s premature to compare Ennis directly to Nash). Grant’s comparison to Thad Young seems fair to me right now, but I would expect that to change by the time he gets into the league. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #870728
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     Thad Young shoots 40% from NBA 3. Honestly as of now I see him as more AK47 when he was younger and crazy athletic. Jerami has good handle for his size he gets to the rim from the arc with the ball efficiently and his variations of jump stops are devestating. 

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  • #870622
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     Thad Young shoots 40% from NBA 3. Honestly as of now I see him as more AK47 when he was younger and crazy athletic. Jerami has good handle for his size he gets to the rim from the arc with the ball efficiently and his variations of jump stops are devestating. 

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  • #870734
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    Thad Young is shooting .333% on threes this year and for his career.
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngth01.html

    .348% is the best he has ever done in a season.

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  • #870628
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    Thad Young is shooting .333% on threes this year and for his career.
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngth01.html

    .348% is the best he has ever done in a season.

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  • #870679
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    I’m just thinking of Trevor Ariza being a bench warmer who could only jump for a long time and then when he went to the Lakers and hit some threes he became a quality role player.

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  • #870784
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    I’m just thinking of Trevor Ariza being a bench warmer who could only jump for a long time and then when he went to the Lakers and hit some threes he became a quality role player.

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