Lanky BIGS: the future of the 4 and 5 position?
i've already spoke my mind on the progression of the combo forwards and guards. and it is pretty much clear that we will continue to see this as it is inevitable to stop this growing passion in big men to play out in the perimeter, so much that we have seen the most dominant and skilled post players striving getting shots in the perimeter. we have seen bynum taking threes, gasol turn into a jump shooter, howard settle for 10 foot bank shots and so on and so forth. in the other hand the combo forward, we'll keep seeing because it is clear the passion for passing is a lost art among the guards, even PG. most guards are looking to get buckets sice the moment they played HS ball and it eventually takes a toll on their actual PG skills heading into the future, which results in a 6'0 scoring guard ala kemba walker
so it is settled that combo guards and forwards are a part of the future in the nba, so i'll give you another type of player we should see a lot heading forward.
The Lanky BIGS (ala anthony davis). we will see more and more of these players... the upcoming classes are full of them, matter fact if we analyse the top bigs of the upcoming classes they ALL fit the description of lanky, let's take a look
2011: anthony davis
2012: nerlens noel (more of a PF than a C to me, as i've said before)
2013: chris walker (randle is currently the top one but it should be a battle imho)
2014: noah vonlee (skinny PF, ranked #2 after jhalil okafor)
2015: Karl towns Jr. who even being listed at 6'11 as center has drawn comparisons to kevin durant according to articles for his advanced perimeter skills at such heights.
2016: thon maker
and this is just the TOP RANKED bigs. the drafts are full of them. john henson, isaiah thomas, pj3, cj leslie, rakeem christmas, alec brown ETC ETC
i honestly think it is the proggression of the human body
i meant noah vonleh*
So you are saying you just proved evolution, eh?
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I don't think Chris Walker will be that skinny by the time he's in the NBA, I'm pretty sure he'll fill out by then, so might the other kids, I mean 16 year old 6ft9 guys are supposed to be skinny
I wouldn't say it's the future of the PF position, I mean none of these players have yet proven that they are the future of the NBA, they might be subpar role players for all we know.
It's not like this is that new, I think it's just that in the past 5-6 years the draft has been quite weak at the PF position so we haven't seen as many lanky tall kids recently, but tall kids are supposed to be lanky!
This might be a stretch and might sound a little crazy but... maybe they're skinny because they're 15-18 years old?
I mean, that's just my opinion.
*A lot of sarcasm included*
i guarantee you all these players will be lanky for a good amount of time, even after hitting the nba. not just lanky cuss they're kids, they have that skinny body structure, and more and more players will in the future
No, once they get to the league or college they will start to bulk up.
no, nerlens will be like that for ever. so will davis. so will walkers. so will thon maker. thin frame.
carl towns and vonleh not that much because they are so young (thon maker being an exception because, just look at him) , but i see it coming. skinny "bonned"
"no, nerlens will be like that for ever."
What makes you so sure? I mean, McGee is A LOT bigger than he was in college. He's not exactly a stick anymore.
he is not a stick but he is LANKY. he gets pushed around by more muscular opponets even though he is a freak athletically.
The real determining factor behind this change or "evolution" of skills required to be a successful NBA player is more due to a progression of the overall game to a more speed, perimeter-oriented game. I feel like a player like Shaq comes around once every 25 years and GMs have found it easier to build strong teams with players who instead of dominating physically have developed other skills that dont depend on you being a mobile 300 pound monster.
With that said you see players who after the rise of guard-like big man like Kevin Garnett early in his career turn to big man with actual guard skills ala Kevin Durant. I only see it as a natural progression because its alot more probability to make the league with an advanced skill set instead of depending totally on physical attributes that no one can truely control.
I think LeBron is great example of advanced skill set that just happens to be inside a mammoth of a human being. Young players who 25 years ago would be benched for attempting a college 3 pointer are now encouraged to develop that skill, as we've seen Euro dudes with little of the athleticism of Black players come and compete with the most absurdly athletic guys in the US.
Soon we're gonna see alot more 6'7 point guards just from young guys growing up watching LeBron and even more 7ft small forwards, and the disappearence of big sluggish Big Man getting replaced by 7ft+ dudes that cant use their length on defense and still run the floor with speed.
I wouldn't consider him lanky.
Honestly, there is no debate here. We don't know how these guys will develop physically and whether or not their bone structure is capable of holding large amounts of muscle. We don't know their genes and we also don't know whether they even want to bulk up to compare to Dwight Howard or players of that size.
This is something that we just have to wait and see. We won't find out until these guys are 26-28 years old. Another decade for that.
think mcgee, anthony randoloh, durant
lanky for the rest of their basketball careers!
McGee is built though.
Think Chris Bosh and how he went from being lanky and in one off-season got pretty big. Think Serge Ibaka and how much muscle he's added in 3 years. Here are guys that looked lanky early in their careers and transformed themselves. It all depends on genes and how their bodies changed over time. Think LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe, and the best example Dwight Howard.
Dwight Howard was a thin player when he came into the league and look at him now, perhaps the strongest center in the NBA.
yes they can flip the switch but is not necesaarily going to happen.
bottom line is that there are more and more of these skinny framed players with perimeter skills and less post game coming in to fit the faster paced game wether you want to accept it or not.
Not sure why you made so many enemy's. I don't see what the problem is with your post(s). You probably spoke your mind one too many times or had a differing belief than 90% of everyone else. Remember when a guy is drafted top 5 he's automatically going to be a future allstar/ compare him to an all time great.
In all seriousness, a lot of bigs are becoming more perimeter oriented. Some of it is because these guys were guards and shot up. Some of these guys just have no desire to put the work in to bang in the post. Anyone can get off a perimeter shot. It's a lot harder to get a shot in the low post because you have to establish position and be able to make moves and/or counter moves. Let's be real though, I have played every position on the court. You play in the post you have to fight for everything, you take plenty of hits. The perimeter is far more exciting to be. You get more space and if you are any type of athlete with even a decent handle it can open up opportunities even for a guy that is not greatly skilled.
As far as size goes, some people don't get bigger. They can eat all they want, but genetics or their frame may not allow for it. I have heard plenty of stories about guys doing everything to gain weight and bulk and just not being able to. Can a guy like Durant get stronger and bigger? Of course, but he's not going to be bulky. John henson and Anthony Davis are guys that I don't see getting big. They will add muscle, but doesn't mean they are going to fill out like a Tim Duncan. KG is still a very wiry guy.
agreed bro. we are gonna keep seeing all these big guys with weight issues getting drafted
Twons already has 10 lbs on Davis he is gonna be a man by his freshman year.
was listed at 210lbs as a High School senior. Going in to his Soph year of college he is being listed at 240lbs. Some kids just don't have the resources at their HS to get big muscles. Frame has a lot to do with it. Chris Bosh will never be 240lbs while he's in shape. Tyrus Thomas, Anthony Randolph, etc. Let's give these KIDS a few years to develop their bodies before we label them lanky, malnourished, beanpoles,etc.
so why couldnt his brother do anything about his weight issues?
6'11" 245lbs Luke (Notre Dame) or 7'0" 250 Tyler (North Carolina)?
tyller zeller is skinny bra
what I see on multiple sites. Draft combine measurements 6'11.25" in socks, 247lbs.
i can only go by what my eyes see. that dude is skinny, and headed into the draft with weight concerns.
But some people are blind. Other people are stupid.
You, on the other hand, are both.
Funniest ish I've seen on this site in a while LMFAO!
"""his frame could still use some extra bulk, but he's made progress in that area since coming to North Carolina, and he should continue to add strength as he puts in the work in the weight room.
His lack of physical strength is still his biggest weakness from a physical standpoint and area where he should really focus. It's hard to imagine him playing center in the NBA with his frame right now, but if he's able to add some strength, that may be where his game is best suited."""
is tyson chandler malnourished? no.
is he lanky? yes
tyson chandler is muscular, lean, athletic... not thin... hes 7'1'' 240 with a solid frame
javale mcgee weighs 252...
There have always been tall lanky guys..... Larry Nance, Larry Kenon, Ralph Sampson and God Rest His Soul. ..... Dan Roundfield (I swear I once read a player review of Roundfield that said "Bob Lanier eats thicker bacon for breakfast.")
dude its just one period of nba...in 70s u had undersized,unathletic C like Willis Reed,Wes Unseld etc...Than you had Kareem,Walton,Parish,Hakeem...When u look back Nba didnt really had that many big,strong Centers like Chamberlain,Oneal..maybe in 5-10 years there would be 3-4 kids who are 7.0 270 or 6.11 230 strech 4 u cant predict that..There isnt really that much big and skilled guys on every shaq there are 10 Ostertags
Sheeee even Andrew Bynum was skinny when he enter in NBA,they are like 15 years old..they'll grow