Lance Stephenson and Alec Burks at Indy pro Am
I dont have access to an official stat sheet but I work at the Indy Pro Am and will do my best to give updates on the top performances every night. Tonight was all about Lance Stephenson, as it has been every game that he's actually decided to come.
Both he and Alec Burks had over 40, FOR THE SAME TEAM. They played against a very formidable squad that features Shelvin Mack, Daequan Cook, Matt Howard and Jajuan Johnson and before long were just toying with them. Stephenson really got them going and absolutely abused Cook the entire game. He just kept getting to the rack time after time after time. He barely looked to shoot outside fifteen feet but his short pull up was on point as was his underrated playmaking ability.
Burks is incredibly smooth and effortless, but is so laid back it's almost lazy. His facial expression and effort never really change, which can be both good and bad. Despite his reputation as a slasher, most of his game was about the pull up 3 tonight. He knocked down atleast 10 of them and just didn't miss down the stretch. He's still streaky but his shot really looks good and he has star moves at the 2 guard spot. He also showed great confidence in his shot when he missed his first few but didn't hesitate the nest time down. Just hope he takes more pride on the defensive end when the season starts cuz he was invisible on that end.
Obviously this is a laid back, pickup-type environment but it does give some indication of what guys can do. Burks is in a position to do great things in Utah and could be a huge steal down the line. He can be about as good as he chooses. Stephenson on the other hand is about as good 1 on 1 with the ball as anyone in the game. The problem is that he still apears to be heavier than he'll need to be and is incredibly ball dominant without being a true point guard. His best bet is probably getting sent to a really bad team to start building his resume a little bit. His best role may be as a spark off the bench who can come in and have the green light with the second unit. His talent is definitely on the same level as a guy like Tyreke Evans but his commitment and professionalism need to be upgraded several notches.
You really think Stepheson's talent is "on the same level" as a guy who put up 20, 5, and 5 in his rookie year? (Being the 3rd EVER to do so at that)
Stephenson's always out of shape.
The difference between Tyreke Evans and Lance Stephenson (apart from the obvious workethic, and conditioning issues w/ Stephenson), is Stephenson still has alot of "streetball" in his game, and is often out of control and tries to force/or do too much with the ball. Both has some similarities, but Evans has a much much better grasp of NBA fundamentals, while Lance is still very much far from even being a contributor off the bench.
"You really think Stepheson's talent is "on the same level" as a guy who put up 20, 5, and 5 in his rookie year? (Being the 3rd EVER to do so at that)"
I think in terms of talent, as he said, he is up there with Evans too. He's said he's not committed and isn't there yet professionally. Call me crazy, but I agree. I think Stephenson has big talent too. He's not there character wise and he wasn't invested in as highly as Evans was, which factors. Evans happened to play on a Kings team that was rebuilding and had low level talent when he was picked. He was expected to carry the team more than Stephenson was. Evans isn't exactly a saint, but Stephenson is a total headcase. Evans was be trusted to lead a resurgence, Lance wasn't. The Pacers had Granger, and traded to get Darren Collison. Stephenson never has been in a situation to put up 20, 5 and 5 as a rookie (and rightfully so, admittedly. He's not ready for that).
I love Burks so much but hate that he is on the Jazz, I wanted to see him go to the Suns and become an immediate 20 ppg guy. I don't think his full potential will be reached in Utah.
I think Lance should have went to a better basketball program, to learn better basketball fundamentals. Flashy PGs such as Wall, Rose, Evans learned a lot from playing for Calipari just in one year as far as PG skills and fundamentals. I don't know why Lance choose to go to Cincinnati, but had he gone and play for a great coach (Maybe stayed close to home and played for Jim Boheim) he would have better grasp of NBA fundamentals. Im guessing he went to Cincinnati to probably be his own man and run his own show.
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I really do. Don't just look at numbers in regards to raw talent. Success in the league comes down to a lot more than talent. Tyreke was a high draft pick so he came in with the tag of a franchise player on a depleted roster. Stephenson came onto a playoff team as a 2nd rounder so obviously the opportunity won't be the same. Also Stephenson hasn't done himself any favors with his off the court problems and being out of shape. But strictly on talent alone, he is on Tyreke's level. If you've followed their careers closely all along, it's not that hard to believe.
I'm not saying i'd rather have him as the face of my franchise because it appears conditioning and off the court problems will always be an issue. But he's a truly special talent with the ball. His HS coach who also had Sebastian Telfair and Stephon Marbury said he's the best player he's ever had. And Larry Bird has been quoted as calling him the best player on the Pacers, but that other things are holding him back.
"I don't know why Lance choose to go to Cincinnati, but had he gone and play for a great coach (Maybe stayed close to home and played for Jim Boheim) he would have better grasp of NBA fundamentals. Im guessing he went to Cincinnati to probably be his own man and run his own show."
No coaches liked his character. He's a serious headcase, and has been since HS. Coach Cronin and a handful of others coaches were the only guys that gave him a chance. And he chose to go there.
Wasnt Kansas trying to recruit him? But your right, he is a bone head, and probably wouldn't have been able handle being a 2nd-3rd option on a National contending college program.
Yeah his recruitment was a circus. At the end he was even considering Florida International. And yeah JNixon is right I think Cronin sold him on the idea of pulling a Kevin Durant at Cincinatti, and by the time he committed it was summer so he probably thouht it was the best move at that point
He had a chance to go to Kansas while Xavier Henry was committed to Memphis but just kept dragging it out.
I can't remember which one, but either KU gave their scholarship to Xavier Henry, or they pulled their scholarship from Stephenson.
DunksNJordans23 don't be so sure that Burks won't work in Utah. He may not average 20 right away (dont think he would in Phoenix either) but he definitely will have a great opportunity. The door is there for him to be the starting 2 guard sooner than later. CJ Miles is a solid pro but doesn't have the look of a long term answer for them. Burks will definitely have a great chance to establish himself. He won't disappear out there.
Alec Burks will be a good starter by his 2nd year. Especially if he continues to get stronger and works on his jumper. The reason he probably shot all those pull-up jumpers in this game like hiphopislife said, is because he probably is working hard on fine tuning his shot. He's still growing into his body and has put on about 10-15 lbs since he was a Fr. He's a hard worker.
Well they were recruiting both guys, probably Henry a little harder. When Xavier Henry signed with Memphis I heard Lance's name with Kansas a lot, but nothing hapened. Then once Calipari went to Kentucky and Henry decommitted from Memphis, he became Kansas' top target again. I think I heard that they just kind of backed off Lance at that point. Henry was the better fit.
Yeah he was. He struggled playing with Deonta Vaughn because Vaughn handled the ball so much. Imagine playing with Sherron Collins and Tyshawn Taylor. KU uses their SG's to shoot anyway.
Yeah definitely. It would have been the Selby situation x 10 because of how bad he shot from the outside at Cincinatti. Probably would have completely lost it at some point.
He seems like he can only be successful as a go to guy, which might land him in Europe.
I disagree about Burks. I think he shot jumpers far too often last year and doesn't have the blow by speed of most 20 ppg scorers. I'm not saying he wont workout, but if they are still running the flex offense, having a jumper is a must. Not to mention playing beside of Devin HArris.
Stephenson is EXTREMEY talented. Just happens to be a headcase, have a poor work ethic, and terrible hoop IQ.
In Burks defense, his defense was much better than Stevensons. I am starting to question the OP becuase his numbers are way off. Here is a link to another page with analysis that I trust much more that the OP.
You have to scroll down a bit but they talk about both Stevenson and Burks and they even have a good video showing the two of them. Stevenson looks way too ball heavy for me.
+1 for the find. The OP may have just been mistaken though. Lance wasn't lookin bad at all.Definitely made me remebr the player i wanted to fall to LAL in the second over Ebanks. And again I saw the same guy in Burks I did through the year, terrific handles but doesn't have the blow by speed to take full advantage them. That's really why I hope he works on that J, he could be a terrific off ball scorer with his overall athleticism.
Lance is completely holding himself back with his poor attitude and terrible work ethic. He is pretty athletic, almost always gets to the spots he wants to when he trys, and at times has a great feel for the game, however he is also a ball hog, has a very under developed jumper with poor range, and doesnt care about defense. He underperfromed at Cincinnati, and barely played in Indiana (12 games 9.6 min/game) because hes a PR nightmare off the court. I think he has the tools to be a very solid NBA player but at the moment he does not have the talent, his approach to the game (work ethic, conditioning, lack of receptiveness to coaching) and his actual game itself (dude needs a jumper badly, his midrange game is below mediocre and he has no 3pt range at all, and he exerts no effort on the defenseive end) needs improvement badly. If he ever got his act together and worked on developing his game it would be interesting to see what he could do in the league. I can see why people compare Tyreke Evans and Lance, they are both slashing scorers with playmaking ability but both are natural two guards because of their scorers mentality, but Tyreke's game is way more advanced than Lance's is and Tyreke is also on another level athletically, plus Tyreke can be a dominating and very disruptive defender. When Tyreke is teamed up with a good point guard and allowed to play off the ball he is going to dominate.
Stephenson's defense is definitely bad, which was the reason they wouldn't even dress him at the start of last season. But strictly talking about last night, he was much better than Burks on that end. But like I said, it's pick up ball. Burks won't get away defending like that when training camp starts and he'll turn it up.
bksmith like I said I didn't have a stat sheet but I was almost certain they were both over 40, guess I was off. I'm not sure where the other people got their numbers though.
I believe the last two schools recruiting Stephenson were Memphis and Maryland. Basically every school stopped recruiting him when they found out he might be ineligible for his freshman season. And the Memphis pulled out at the last minute. After that, he was probably gonna commit to Maryland, but Maryland also pulled out at the last minute, which is why he settled for Cincinatti.
Yeah I thought Maryland would have been a good situation. I remember that.
I wouldn't read too much into Burks' ability to blow-by based off that game, he had that nasty dunk at the start, and it's entirely possible he's not driving too hard to avoid an injury during the lock-out, or making outside shooting a focus area for the time being.
As far as Lance is concerned, he plays with it too much in the footage, but again, that was a pick-up situation, and if he can keep his nose clean over the course of this off-season (however long it goes), I can see a big spike in his minutes. The kid has talent, and Bird seems very fond of him. I hope we get this all sorted before training camp is due to begin, because another training camp would do Lance wonders.
Seems like every time I sit down to write a comment nowadays I get a little sad about this CBA mess.
The way Lance gets minutes now that they're a playoff team is if he decides to have some heart on court, and stop beating women and buying hookers(and not paying them) off court. This is a Pacers team who since the malace at the palace, pried themselves on having high character guys(which Lance certainly isn't despite his claims of being a good kid over and over during predraft interviews).Could be just that he is in fact still a kid.
The problem with Burks' bow by ability isn't just in this vid, it's the same thing I saw all year. Fr too many jumpers compared to what his actual consistency allows due,IMO, to lack of blow by quickness needed to take full advantage of those mean handles.
I actually only saw a couple games of Burks' last year. I didn't know that he was known for settling for many jumpers. I figured he was doing that last night because it was something he'd worked on and was trying to incorporate into his game, like Jnixon said earlier. Either way I couldn't argue with the result yesterday lol
Alec Burks remind me the most Jerry Stackhouse, their style, tools and manner as players are so similar.