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By Chris Broussard
While we may not see many trades occur before the week of the March 15 deadline, discussions are taking place in front offices throughout the league.
Here's some of the scuttlebutt I've heard:
The Lakers' front office knows Kobe Bryant is looking for it to improve the roster, and GM Mitch Kupchak has been working the phones. He's spoken to Minnesota about Michael Beasley, and sources say the Lakers are intrigued by the Timberwolves' small forward. The Lakers were actually in discussions with Minnesota about a potential trade for Beasley before the season started. If they would have been able to pull off the deal for Chris Paul, there is a good chance that a trade for Beasley would have followed.
It's not clear what the Lakers would give Minnesota for Beasley (if indeed the talks get that far), but the Lakers could absorb Beasley into their $8.9 million trade exception while giving up a draft pick or cash. I'm told the teams have not spoken about Pau Gasol since the preseason. Minnesota is looking to move Beasley, who they feel has matured very little (if at all) since he's been there, according to sources. The Lakers believe they can handle a player like Beasley because of their winning culture and the leadership of Bryant.
Of course, the Lakers need a point guard even more than a small forward. While they worked out Gilbert Arenas last week, they have not come to a decision on him. They want to see if they can get another point guard, such as Cleveland's Ramon Sessions, before making a play for Arenas. There's a good chance they can get Sessions for a first-round draft pick before the deadline, sources say. If they don't get Sessions or someone else, they may bring Arenas aboard.
There are a few other PGs who could be available. While the Lakers would love to get Houston's Kyle Lowry, the Rockets plan to build around their vastly-improved point guard. But either of their two backups, Goran Dragic or Jonny Flynn, would be an improvement over what they currently have.
Lots of teams are calling Toronto about Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani. The Raptors aren't likely to part with Bargnani, and if they move Calderon, they'll need to get a point guard in return. That would seem to make a trade for Calderon unlikely.
Sources say Dallas is about ready to move on from the Roddy Beaubois experiment. The Mavericks have thought for years that the talented young Frenchman could be another Tony Parker, but he has not been able to master the move from shooting guard to point guard. Nor has he been able to fill the void left by J.J. Barea. If they don't move him before this year's deadline, he could be gone over the summer.
The feeling among some in Atlanta is that the Hawks' rotation was thrown out of whack by the return of Kirk Hinrich. The Hawks started the season 13-5 but have gone just 6-8 since Hinrich returned from shoulder surgery. Though he's struggled this season, one would think Hinrich could help a club if made available.
Frustration abounds in Atlanta right now, and sources say Marvin Williams wants out because he wants to play somewhere where he'll have an increased role offensively. Williams is averaging just 9.6 points per game, his lowest since his rookie season.
They're frustrated in Portland too, and Raymond Felton said as much in a report last week. But Felton, who's averaging a career-low 10 points on 36 percent shooting, knows he's at least partly to blame as well. He recently had talks with the Blazers' coaching staff and the idea of bringing him off the bench to stir things up was broached. Felton would be amenable to that, but only as a short-term solution.
I could see a calderon / felton swap (with maybe other pieces)....
I don't think the lakers will trade gasol before the deadline, so they'll surely trade for sessions (or dragic) and maybe beasley if they really want to improve. I still don't see mike brown being the solution in LA. Let's give a chance to messina.
all Minny is getting for Beasley is money and a late pick. So Beasley is worthy a the 6.6 million and William Burford? Classic Kahn! Everyone's not going to like this but why not
Lakers gets: Beasley, Love and Martell Webster
Minny gets: Gasol, Eubanks or D. Morris and a first rounder (perhaps Goudelock instead of the Eubanks and Morris)
Lakers get a legit 3 in Beasley and a all star 4 in Love who would love being on the west coast. Love only downfall is his lack of shot blocking which Bynum makes up for. They absorb Websters contract which is terrible but they save about 2 to 3 million in the deal. That saving is crucial because they are skyrocketing over the cap and will pay double or more for that three mil in revenue sharing. Lakers then can still own the trade Exemption of 8.9 and have a first rounder left. If Sessions is brought with the weaker first rounder then I can see throwing Goudelock in to sweeten the pot for minny who will catch some beef for trading Love.
For Minny Pau is a great passer and teamed with Rubio and a couple high flyers would do terrific. Pekovic is emerging into quite a player. Remember what Adelman did with a good passing 4 like Webber, they did what Gasol does best, feed him at the elbow and run guys off him. They could recruit some others also, like what Toronto was trying to build a international team. Minny has the best European point guard and the best European 4 ever. There marketability to Western Europe will explode, maybe play a game their next season. I am sure Stern wants a Knick game in China next year. You also get to dump Webster's deal which is the big plus.
gasol is not a young prospect.... you can not give love AND beasley against gasol.
Think that is dead. They signed him to an extension and I do not think they are willing to give him up. If the Lakers can get Beasley using a pick and the exception, it is worth it. They could use some fire power and I do not think they have a better chance at competing if they stand pat.
Giving up a pick that will more than likely be in the 20's (or even Dallas' pick as well) for Beasley would be worth the risk. Could see Beasley giving their second unit a huge boost. I know most people here feel like he will probably start with Gasol and Bynum, but I would like him coming off the bench. He is different than Lamar Odom, but a more talented scorer, though of course not the point forward type Odom was. If they can get Beasley without losing Bynum or Gasol (and of course not Kobe, duh) than I say go for it. The Lakers would also be good to gamble on Jonny Flynn or Goran with the exception, both of whom have more spark than their current options at PG.
I will say, Raymond Felton has been a bowl full of suck for Portland this season. Still, in my heart of hearts, if the Blazers move him for Calderon, they are making a mistake. Calderon is the type of PG who gets lit up by PG's like Raymond Felton and destroyed by the relative elite at the position. If the Blazers trade for Jose Calderon, I think that would be a sign they are firing Nate McMillan (there have been rumors, though I hope they are not true). Nate preaches defense. Dwayne Casey inherited Calderon, but I doubt Nate would want to trade for him and his extra year on his contract, which Felton does not have.
@coachworthy: They traded a couple second rounders to get Beasley in the first place. He is in the last year of his deal and will more than likely want more than Minnesota is willing to pay him. He is one of those players who is probably not going to have whatever offer he signs matched by whatever team holds his rights as a RFA. They have Derrick Williams, who signalled they are doing something about the Beasley situation. Honestly, I think this is not at all a terrible value trade for Beasley, who does not seem to be in the Wolves future plans.
The Lakers would be best served getting Beasley but what does Minnisota get in return. A 23rd selection in the first round of a deep draft sounds good, but this draft is 15 to 18 players deep after that theres a big dropoff and more guys will pull out because its talent heavy than be added with Rivers as the exception. Gasol for Love deal is dead but why, before Lakers wanted Love plus, now a straight swap. Minny will have love for 3 more years or Gasol for two. It should be Derrick Williams time by then. Let's say Love for Gasol straight up before the season, does Minny have a better record than they do now, I think yeah. They have more promise with Love but a better now with Gasol.
love won't get traded and I don't see the T-wolves really chasing gasol whereas pekovic improves every game and seems to be the center of the futur for this team.
they don't need gasol anymore, they need to clear that sf spot, get a real sg and build a solid bench with chemistry and defense dedication.
Trading Kevin Love for Pau Gasol would be inexplicable for Minnesota. Won't happen. Beyond that, I don't see why the Lakers would want to trade Pau to the wolves at all. Micheal Beasley might be a good long-term trade, but Pau's worth more than just Beasley. Who else do you include? They need a Point Guard, and I doubt they want Ridnour. They won't move Williams. Wes Johnson? Anthony Randolph? Martell Webster? I just don't see the Lakers improving from this. Trade Pau elsewhere where you can get more talent back.
I agree that Pau Gasol is probably the better player right now between he and Kevin Love, as much as people will point to statistics saying otherwise. The thing is, as much as Minnesota may want Gasol, I do not think they are willing to give him up anymore. Just seems like he is becoming part of their future plans and they are not willing to trade him for an aging Pau Gasol.
With Beasley, I think you are wrong with the depth of this draft. It is becoming more and more evident that it is not going to be as deep as many are claiming. Nonetheless, Minnesota should be damn happy with whatever they get for Beasley, because I do not think he is crucial to their team success or in their future plans. They just beat Charlotte, Houston and Philly with Beasley averaging 4.7 ppg.
They are 10-12 with him, 6-5 without him. That is not a huge difference, but I think it shows that they are not dead in the water without Beasley. Plus, why are they doing things for now? They are a young team. They want to build with Love and Rubio, hoping that Derrick Williams and Wes Johnson develop and maybe trying to sign a few good role guys. Will it work? I don't know, but will Pau Gasol be leading them to anywhere other than at best the second round the next two years?
I think the best thing for Minnesota's future is dealing with the Beasley situation now, which is getting anything they can for the guy. His trade value, to me, is very little. If they can get money and a first round pick, that Minnesota could even trade for something or someone else, they should do it. They are not likely to get the same value as Beasley, but it better than him taking minutes from Williams and other young guys they are looking to build with and signing an offer sheet Minnesota will likely not match, in which they get nothing in return.
What do the Lakers have to offer for Beasley? Darius Morris? The Wolves already have 3 guys that can play the point. Ebanks? He's a poor man's Wes Johnson (NOT a good thing). The trade exception? I don't think the Wolves are that strapped for cash/antsy to make another deal. Gasol? The Wolves don't need Gasol- Love is probably already the best pure PF in the NBA (and still has lots of room to get better), and Pekovic is coming around nicely and still has much room to improve. Both are also much younger than Gasol. The only possible way I'd see Beasley being traded to the Lakers is if a third team gets involved and gets the Wolves a quality SG in return.
I see some good & bad in Beasley going to LA..
THE GOOD: The Lakers get a young athlete,a scorer,a guy that can play inside & outside..
THE BAD: Beasley have never been known to play defense..And in La with the wild nightlife and a million things to do..Sending him there might not be smart..
But you have to think of it this way, do the Lakers have faith that the team they currently have in place is a championship team? I wouldn't. I don't think to many people do. I am sure Kobe would be all about getting something for the 8.9 million they got for Lamar Odom. Beasley is definitely a gamble, plays little defense and may not be around past this season. Still think he is worth it because I do not think there are a lot of options and standing pat probably means the Lakers combust once again in the play-offs.
FireKahn, what would you prefer?
a) The Timberwolves keep Beasley and than lose him for nothing as a restricted free agent, as he signs an offer sheet with another team that the Timberwolves do not match.
b) They get something for a player they have little interest in keeping and has limited trade value due to his attitude and the probable contract demands this upcoming off-season.
I take b). I do not think there is that much of a market place for Beasley and whatever SG was thrown in the trade would probably be worth even less than the first round pick they would be receiving from the Lakers. I know you probably feel like you are giving up a valuable player for nothing, but Beasley's value is very questionable at this point in time.
Adelman clearly seems to be going in a different direction and while no one doubts Beasley's offensive ability, I am sure people are not signing up to be the one that signs him to a lucrative long term contract. That would be a bigger gamble than the ones the Lakers are taking on. I have yet to hear of a Lakers trade exception trade or a Michael Beasley trade that makes more sense. Timberwolves fans may feel otherwise, but at least you would have a first round pick in the 2012 Draft.
The Lakers have nothing to offer Minnesota. their 1st round picks dont carry any value. I dont know why people continually think that really good NBA teams can just trade 1st round picks for good players. The NBA is not the NFL, draft picks just are not that valuable and the Lakers dont have any young assets, only strengthening my point.
I think the Wolves should trade Derrick Williams personally. He doesnt have a SF skill set and probably has more value around the league than Beasley and will net a better return. Beasley has shown this year that he is willing to do the little things more often and give more effort on defense. While he will never be a great defender because he just doesnt have great Bball IQ, he can certainly be an average defender and always has had a scoring ability the Wolves cant match on the perimeter right now.
I agree, I would rather see them get something back. But at the same time, let's say they do hypothetically propose some combination of Morris, Ebanks, and their 1st rounder for Beasley. The first rounder would not be of that much value- they could probably get Will Buford, who I don't really see as much more than a role player who can hit the open 3. Morris would be flipped to another team desperate for a PG, and Ebanks would be flipped to a team desperate for a SF. So in a way, they'd be giving up Beasley for nothing...to the Lakers. That's why I think a third team would have to get involved; I don't think a deal with the Lakers alone would work because they don't have anything the Wolves want.
If I were GM at the Wolves, I'd look to package some combo of one of Utah's first rounders from the Al Jefferson trade, D-Will or Beasley, Randolph, or Wes Johnson, and trade them to a team desperate for talent at any position (for hypothetical terms, let's say the Bobcats, Hornets, or Pistons) for an SG or a draft pick, which they would use to fill their hole at SG (hopefully they'd give up enough talent to get a Jeremy Lamb or Brad Beal type).
If they can get 1 of the Lakers 1st round picks..Guys like Fab Melo,Terrance Ross,Wroten,Jeffery Taylor,Tyler Zeller or Hardaway jr. will still be there..So by getting rid of a headcase in Beasley,they'll be adding a potential starter...
I suppose a lot depends on whether the T-Wolves consider themselves likely to offer Beasley an extension, if not then surely it is better to get something in return even if it is only a later first round pick. They only gave up a 2nd round pick to get him, so they get a better return if they move him on for a first rounder.
This could really get Beasly to reach that 2nd overall pick potential,if Kobe can straightin him out he could become a great scorer,he also fits perfectly for the Lakers to give them another scorer
The Love for Gasol trade idea is absurd...but, what about this one...
Minnesota gets Pau Gasol.... Lakers Get Kevin Love + David Kahn
There's not much incentive for the Wolves to trade Beasley at this point unless it would return a solid shooting guard. The Beasley money that comes of the books at the end of the season would go quite a ways toward paying for a freeagent shooting guard.
no mikey, pau gasol is not better than kevin love. -1
"THE BAD: Beasley have never been known to play defense..And in La with the wild nightlife and a million things to do..Sending him there might not be smart.."
IDK if nightlife is Beasley's issue. I've never heard about him getting into trouble partying, clubbing, or drinking in that type of scene. His "issue" has been marijuana use. That is far different from a "nightlife" scene. In fact, most stoners (which I don't think Beasley is necessarily one, just cuz u fail drug tests doesn't mean ur getting faded everyday of the week) are less of the social type to go out. They tend to be more of loners, or have a nice get together at a house where they can chill, conversate, and smoke.
Tbey are 2 different things entirely. I don't think that would be a major issue for Beasley. What may be would be the incredible amount, potency, and availability of Cali kush.
MikeyV, 2 months ago you might have been able to convince me that Gasol is better than Love, but come on now. Love is beast, Gasol is still a really good player, and I think we'll see a Deron Williams for Gasol Swap in a couple weeks(I GARUNTEE you that trade will happen, or at the very least another DWill trade happens) Gasol is still a great guy, even better if you have him and Brook Lopez in the post, but it won't work unless you have someone to get him the ball. The Lakers would lose some height, but would become better in the process.
Beasley doesn't have a ton of value around the league, so why not keep him at a bargain as a RFA? If a deal comes up, it can always be later accepted.
@M-Dymes you are exactly right. A lot of people don't like alcohol or getting drunk like me and everybody has a vice so just because somebody don't like partying and getting drunk and rather relax and just exhale don't mean they're trouble.
Plus Beasley has already played in Miami which is just as bad with night life.
As much as I would like to see Pau going to MN to team up with Love and Rubio, Wolves would be losing too much unless they Lakers are willing to take less value for Pau. I do see a possible 3 team trade involiving Houston.
Lakers received: B Easy, Flynn, A. Tolliver, and B. Miller
They get Beasy along with a young pg in Flynn. T olliver is a decent PF to help fill out the role for Lakers and Miller is in there so Wolves can dump some cash since they have Pek and Dirk.
Houston receives: Pau
They get the guy they originally wanted before stern turn the trade down. With all the pg and sg's in House they don't mind losing Martin and flynn.
Wolves receive Kevin Martin.
Receive a solid 2 gaurd who can score and run. Open's up playing time at the 3 for Williams, and Webster.
Lakers get nowhere near enough for Pau there Tony.
He is about to be as stoned as M-Dymes
I ain't been high in months. But you do make my point. Fail a drug test or admit to marijuana use and suddenly you are percieved as a stoner and smoking weed is WRONG! (SARCASM)
If you don't make it a constant habit, marijuana use is fine. It is a better alternative than drinking and smoking cigs to relax. Decriminalize it. This is exactly what the US Gov't wants u 2 think. Weed is evil and if you smoke it something is wrong with you. But hell, we got these cigarettes, snus, chewing tobacco...all of which are proven to increase chances of cancer drastically (health care loves it), pollute the environment, have negative effects on those merely around others who use these products, smell like hell (spray fragarance industry loves it), teeth yellow (dentists love it). So lets keep weed illegal so the public relies on cigs more and our industries across the board can reap the benefits.