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Lakers end up with both Love and Howard after draft day?

We've seen the Love/Gasol deal, but what about this

Love, Webster and the #2 pick for Gasol

then

Bynum, Odom, Ebanks and the 2nd pick for Howard and Turkoglu

Two question

  • Would Orlando do it?
  • How realistic is that trade?

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Two answers

No.

Not very.

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Why not? I didn't make the

Why not? I didn't make the deal, one of the LA guys on twitter brought it up, so I saved the deal so i could ask about it today.

If your Orlando, I really think that's one of the best deals you can get.

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It's frustrating to think

It's frustrating to think that Minnesota would do the 1st trade...Absolutely mind-boggling in my opinion...Kevin Love is 22 y/o and averaged 20 and 15 last year while Pau is 30 and averaged 18 and 8. Please Kahn, dont F this one up

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America has a better chance

America has a better chance of getting out of the National Debt by draft day then this trade happening..

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America has a better chance

America has a better chance of getting out of the National Debt by draft day then this trade happening..

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America has a better chance

America has a better chance of getting out of the National Debt by draft day then this trade happening..

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Theres no way Kahn makes that

Theres no way Kahn makes that trade. none. If I had to guess how those trade talks went down, Id say it was like this:

- Minny called the Lakers and offered Love for Gasol

- The Lakers said no and countered with Gasol for Love and the #2

- Minny said no. And that was teh end of that and why we havent seen a trade happen.

Kahn knows he'd lose his job if he made that trade. Nothing against Gasol, I think he's a really good player but no GM is going to deal its two most tradable assets ( especially when its a young player like Love and the second pick in a two person draft) for a 30 year old thats coming off his worst 2 month stretch as a pro.

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While I think

That despite the statistics, Pau Gasol is the better player, I also am slightly surprised Minnesota would do such a deal. They would be a better team with Pau Gasol, but why give up that much talent to the Lakers? It is such a short term fix, plus it at best means you will be fighting for the 8 spot, not to mention you have no incoming draft pick next year. Makes little to no sense to me.

The Magic trade is awful, I really believe they could do better. Right now, Dwight Howard has no leverage over Orlando to sign with the Lakers. This is a Laker team that has an incredibly high cap figure, and even if they trade Pau Gasol, they would still be on the books for the 8 figure extension Kevin Love will be signing. Yes, Bynum and Odom have team options for 2012-13, so I suppose LA could decline both of those and have a lower salary total, but I still think they would be over the cap in accordance te being able to sign Howard.

My thought is, the Lakers get BY FAR the best assets in either of these deals, they are incredibly unrealistic and do little to nothing to help the other teams involved. Obviously the guy on twitter must be an LA guy, because he wants the Lakers to steal these players. LA gives up nothing by comparison to what they get. They have to take on a fairly bad deal in Turkoglu, but they get the best Center in the NBA bar none. Orlando could get WAY more for Dwight Howard. Instead, they take on an injury prone Center, who is young, but also scares the heck out of you in his utter incapability to show he can stay healthy for a whole year. You get Odom, who is in his early 30's and on the decline, not to mention he would more than likely be the best player on your team. Remember those Heat teams where Odom was there best player? Did not go very far now, did they? Ebanks and the 2nd round pick are nothing, so it is basically trading Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum for Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu. If this sounds like a good deal to you, than I would like to know why!

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Make the pain stop. Every

Make the pain stop. Every team will not bend over backwards to give the Lakers their best players. Just, please, enough!

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While the first trade I agree

While the first trade I agree is a bad deal, but everyone on twitter with a foot in the door on both sides say that deal is on the table. That's just what I see.

The second deal, I actually think it's a good get for Orlando for a couple reasons. One, you got a top two pick for Dwight Howard. Derrick Williams could be a stud, could be a nice all star guy to go with Bynum and Odom. The second thing is Orlando would be cutting contracts by 2012. So other then Gilbert Arenas, almost all of thier contracts end in 2012/2013. Even with Dwight Howard, the Magic really have no chance of winning the title, so why not flip him for Bynum, who I think is slightly overrated, but solid. Odom, a good 6th man and Derrick Williams, who many believe he's gonna be a good pro? The only team I think can really throw a better offer is the Clippers.

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I did thought you said.....

A 2nd round pick, though I would counter with, why not just say Derrick Williams instead of the 2nd pick, but, nonetheless, it was my bad. Still a relatively awful trade. You still are giving the Lakers WAY more than they are giving you, and they have so little leverage over you. Atleast the Knicks could feign the possibility they could actually workout something to sign Carmelo, the Lakers really can't. Unless they trade Bynum and Odom for expiring contracts, they have no chance of signing Dwight.

If the Lakers give up Pau Gasol for anything besides Dwight Howard, I think they diminish there chances of getting Dwight Howard considerably. I really do not like these deals for either team besides the Lakers, and I do not know why teams would be so willing to give the Lakers pieces to build even more of a potential dynasty. Yes, give them, because the Lakers are getting incredible assets while giving up much less. Whoever gets Dwight Howard will probably be giving the Magic less than a great deal, but I have no idea why the Magic would be cool trading Dwight to the Lakers for three players that will make you even more marginal than they were before. Other teams would have to be involved and much more would have to be sent Orlando's way for this to work. If Dwight wants to sign somewhere else, let him, but to just give the Lakers Dwight Howard seems like a great way to keep your team marginal rather than doing the smart thing, which is rebuilding your franchise around new assets. Derrick Williams may be solid, but I have a feeling there will be players who are more solid in the next while to build around. Plus, I almost guarantee there will be much better deals than this to be made for Orlando.

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i dont understand how the

i dont understand how the lakers think they can just stay so good by trading for all these unrealistic players... why would minny trade love, who is better than gasol, and the number 2 pick for a worse older player with a bigger contract?

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Nope

This is retarded. The Lakers are not going to just get handed two of the best big men in the league for their good big man and some trash. Everyone listen to pulsegazer's post.

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When looking at Howard trades

When looking at Howard trades you have to think about what he wants. He is in the driver's seat. This is how it goes down.

Howard: Hi Magic, I'm going to be a free agent at the end of the season and I'm not signing with you because the team stinks and it is going to continue to stink.

Magic: Darn what do we do?

Howard: How about I do a sign and trade and you get a good player back?

Magic: Great, what is the catch?

Howard: I get to pick what team I go to. I choose the Lakers and you get Bynum back. If you don't want to do this trade I will "play" out the rest of the season in a funk and then not return your phone calls.

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3rd Question

WTF were you smoking when you thought up that trade senerio?

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It would suck but it could be

It would suck but it could be done..heres why

Howard wants to go to L.A and he said he will test the free agent market, There may be better deals but if he doesn't plan on resigning with the other team then the trade won't go down so Orlando might be at his mercy

The Twolves have already been trying to get the Lakers to trade Gasol but so far the Lakers either won't o it or they are asking for too much

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Please Stop

The Laker Players are not that valueable!

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But........

While he might have that leverage, why would Orlando just give him up without exploring other possible, better options Tallman? We can all assume he wants to go to a contender, but will a contender be able to sign him? In the case of the Lakers, the answer is, no. So, how does he have leverage to go TO the Lakers? Unless the Lakers make some huge, salary dumping moves, they can not realistically sign him. Than, his options will be quite limited. Plus, I have yet to be convinced that Bynum is the best the Magic can do. I think that Atlanta and OKC could possibly offer better packages for Howard's services. Not to mention, the Magic could still say, well, we want Gasol. He has not been traded yet.

I do not understand why people think that Bynum and Odom for Howard is an acceptable trade. If I were Orlando, I would honestly rather build through the draft than adsorb these two contracts. They have team options for 16 and 9 million in 2012-13, and if you decline those, they walk as well. Than you finally build from ground zero? Makes so little sense, I do not understand why people think that Dwight to LA for a deal based around Bynum is a foregone conclusion.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214235/Wolves_Offer_No_2_Pick_To_Lakers_For_Bynum

If this is true, than here is what the Lakers could do to make a way better scenario for Orlando in this entire trade scheme. They trade Pau Gasol, and Derrick Williams, for Dwight Howard. You get a proven big guy and a nice young prospect, for the best Center in the league bar none. Not an aging 6th man and someone who will probably not be in the play-offs even if he takes you there, plus Derrick Williams. As usual, the team that gets the best player gets the best of the deal, but at least Orlando possibly gets something viable out of the deal. Which they can, ESPECIALLY if Dwight REALLY wants to play for the Lakers.

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Thats a bad trade for the

Thats a bad trade for the lakers, Pau is a better team defender and individual defender, passes better,and can finish at the basket over defenders. Love has good stats,but he plays for a bad team so you have to take that into consideration when evaluating him.

Howard doesn't have as much leverage as he thinks. If its really about winning his options are limited. And the great unknown is what the new cba will bring. If he was committed to Orlando,he would sign the offered extention,he isn't. Imo he has a legit beef with Orlando,they were in the finals and were on the rise to be a contender for years, and Otis Smith killed the team with 3 bad moves in the following 2 seasons.

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No WAY

I know Kahn undervalues his players more than any other GM in the league but theres no way he can think that giving up Kevin Love and #2 pic(Derrick Williams) for Paul Gasoft is a good trade. Now the Orlando trade sounds like a good move for both teams cause theres no way Orlando could get more than that in any other deal for Dwight Howard. They get a legit Center in Bynum, a solid veteran in Odom, a kid with Ariza potential in Ebanks, as well as the #2 pic and on top of that they get rid of Turkoglu terrible contract. Thats alot even for a talent like Howard.

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Its not a even trade but no

Its not a even trade but no trade for a star ever is( much more equal then Gasol and Brown and a draft pick for the older gasol at the time) Yes Orlando can get better trades but if oward doesn't wanna go there it doesn't matter. Bynum is making 14plus million next year compared to Howards 18 so they throw in anothe player and some rookies and the deal can be done. People mention the lakers because Howard has hinted towards that plus his dream of being a actor

Not sure how he does't have much leverage when every star has gone to where they wanted to go (Bron,Melo,Bosh) The star has the leverage because they don't have to sign an extension with who they don't want to and most teams won't trade for you if you aren't gonna sign and if they do he just has to play for them for a year then leave and they are left with nothing since they traded alot of assests to get him

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And the trade of Gasol and

And the trade of Gasol and the 2 pick for Howard sounds good but its much better if they trade him for love then bynum and the number 2 for Howard since The Twolves dont wanna make the trade if Gasol isn't involved

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cward

Did not notice a trend with the 3 players you mentioned? Like the fact that with LeBron and Chris Bosh, they signed with a team that had cap space for both of them? Or that New York could have made cap space to get Melo? How do the Lakers do that, exactly? Therefore, not a lot of leverage. I do not think Kobe Bryant wants to wait, or make his team worse for a shot at Dwight Howard. Just a hunch.

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The lakers make up Four

The lakers make up Four Million easily. Taht trade for Love makes up all of it alone( look at Loves contract compared to Gasol then add in fillers). Howards contract is only 4 million more than Bynum. Does that explain it?

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Personally i hope it doesn't

Personally i hope it doesn't happen. tired of seeing the Lakers get every superstar that they want

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why wouldnt Minny just trade the Lakers the 2nd pick

for Pau Gasol straight up, the Lakers clear cap space and Minnesota gets Gasol to pair with Rubio...Makes sense if the Lakers can trade away Bynum and Odom to a Team looking for the missing pieces(this team must have some huge expiring contracts,or a collection of expiring contracts that match up with Bynum and Odom, thats a lot of cap relief if they can find a T Mac type contract out there...Yao Ming's expiring deal would have been a nice asset to trade for if people were as smart as me...Lets say Yao signs a 1 year deal worth what Bynum and Odom make now, then it would expire at the same time Howard becomes a free agent...Recap for the Slow...Lakers and Minnesota make draft day trade-Gasol for the Second pick...Then on July 1st the Lakers make a sign and trade for Yao Ming(1 year/20 Million Doll Hairs) plus Terrence Williams, they lose Bynum,Gasol and Odom for One year of Yao Ming, The 2nd pick (Young Point Guard) and Terrence Williams(Young Sf) with The Cap Relief from Yao's huge unjustifiable expirng contract The Lakers get Dwight Howard...How about that for some GM thinking...

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Because Yao wont last more

Because Yao wont last more than half a year so you have theo ratlif as you're center. Horrible ida to try to get Yao which is probably why no one has been goin out of their way to get him

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Scarecrow, sounds insane

Complicated, and crazy. Plus, Kobe would kill you in the face before this deal could possibly be done. I doubt that dude has time to waste to worry about such a thing.

Cward, what the hell are you talking about? Four Million? Where are you getting these figures? Plus, Kevin Love is in the last year of his deal. He would be probably signing for around 12 per year (look at Al Horford's new contract, probably similar, at least in the 8 figure range). I do not know if you know what it is, but a hard cap would make the signing of UFA's much more difficult. They have a bunch of players on the books until next seasons finish, and unless they do indeed unload Pau Gasol for about NOTHING, than unload the salaries of Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum by declining there options, they will be screwed in there Dwight Howard signing ability. You explain nothing in whatever you are saying.

What I mean by leverage, which is what Dwight Howard would need to have to FORCE a trade to the Lakers (like the other said players you made examples of did), is that the Lakers have no ability to sign Dwight Howard next off-season as a Free Agent. They do not have the cap room to do so, without unloading some big contracts. Hence, Orlando can than ask for a hefty ransom for Howard's services. Once again, you need to read into things before spouting out ridiculous things about Bynum making only 4 million less than Dwight. Yes, he does, but that still means nothing as far as Dwight being able to force a trade to a team that would not be able to sign him otherwise. If Orlando does not want Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom (why would they for Dwight Howard?), than they can look for better deals. So, the Lakers have NO LEVERAGE over Orlando at said juncture.

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me and TOL23 can agree on

me and TOL23 can agree on this and im sure a hole lot of others

but im sick and tired of seeing these retarded, unrealistic trades that wont go down

so plz stop making them, there are ridicoulously stupid

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Bynum's contract next season

Bynum's contract next season is 14 million..Howard 18....Season after that Bynum's contract is 16 million Howard 19. The four million is the first year 18-14 is 4. I was saying after they trade to the Wolves they will have cap room.

@universal..You should probably write the Twolves because they are offering these ridicoulous stupid trades. Also i'm guessing you haven't watched NB basketball Long because there have been much worst trades that have gone down (Gasol to the Lakers ring a bell)

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The Yao one is pretty

The Yao one is pretty ridiculous and even the Teams arent entertaining that possiblility

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Really?

Dude, I know they will have "cap room", after the Gasol trade. This will be eaten up the next summer, when Dwight becomes a UFA. Remember dude, this is all assuming that the Gasol trade would happen, and maybe even they have the second pick in the draft.

Oy, I think this is pointless, but I will try and give you a diagram:

The Lakers current team salary going into next season: 94 million dollars

Proposed Hard Cap for the 2012 season: 48-60 million

Hard cap=Can not go over that point, hence teams will need to restructure and make moves to be under it.

Not everything is for certain, but either way, Kobe makes 25 million and 27 million in the next two years. Luke Walton makes 6.1. Now, IF Dwight Howard says, "I am going to leave this team and go somewhere else", the Lakers do not have money to sign him under this system. Even under the old system. NO LEVERAGE! Get it?

I realize Dwight Howard and Bynum could easily be traded for each other and such, and that Kevin Love and the #2 pick would be less than Pau Gasol's 19 million. But, they would than have to re-sign Kevin to an extension, as he will want to sign one and thusly make 10-12 million per year. Derrick Williams, as the 2nd pick in the draft, will be making around 5 million (the rookie salary structuring is likely to stay the same, as it works). So, do not save much, do they. Now, with these 4 salaries, the Lakers are at around 48.1 million. Do you think Dwight Howard is signing a minimum contract, or for a red cent less than what LeBron James and Chris Bosh, not to mention Melo just signed for? No.

See, Dwight can leave, and I feel Orlando would rather he do so and not hand him to another team to win championships while they are saddled in mediocrity. I mean, there may be other situations where Dwight could sign under the salary cap, but why not trade him to one of those teams for something good rather than for an injury pronce Center and an aging 6th man? Why not just completely start rebuilding rather than stay in limbo? Either way, this trade is wack, and I do not think Orlando would bite. They can get more, and they do not have to settle on a place where Dwight could not sign if he became a FULL ON Free Agent. Hope you get it.

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BOOOOOOOOO

BOOOOOOOOO

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