LA Clippers: The Next Portland Trailblazers? (Serious)
I ran across something yesterday in a paper online about the Clippers' squad that struck me like lightning. Look at the Clips' roster next year and you will be amazed. No no look past Z Randolph. Keep going past the million year old B. Davis and Camby. Continue around the solid but unreliable Chris Kaman. You see it yet? The Clips have arguably one of the top 5 collections of players in the league 25 and under. You read that right. I couldn't believe it myself until I looked at it again. A starting 5 of DeAndre Jordan, Blake Griffin, Al Thornton, Eric Gordon, and Mike Taylor. That's leaving out Steve Novak one of the top sharpshooters in the league right now. Name another 6 teams that can boast that kind of talent that young. What's even better for them with all this in consideration is that they will have a shot next year to land the pure point guard they lack now in their youth collection in the John Wall draft, or they can get combo guard Willie Warren (a B. Davis clone ironically) or they can get another big man in deep big man draft to replace Randolph, Kaman, and Camby when they leave this season or the season after. I HATE the Clippers, solely because of their owner, but I'm going to always at least try to be objective. They have a very bright future if their owner and coach don't get in the way of progress.
OKC fans, myself included will say, durant, green, sefolosha, westbrook, livingston, white, no.3 pick...alot of different talent there
yep i think the Thunder have the name brand players. Livingston will be a great back up PG once we Trade Watson. Sefolosha is A Great Defender,and of course the 3 Big Boys in OKC Durant,Green and Westbrook. DJ White came in Last Year at the End of the year, as a rebounding force down low. I think the Thunder Have The Upper Hand agains tthe Clips
I think a bunch of teams have the upper hand on collective promising young talent then the clippers. The Thunder has a ridiculous young trio. The T-wolves have Jefferson, Love, Foye, Brewer and THREE first round picks this year (plus some solid role players who aren't exactly old). The Grizzles have Gay, Mayo, Conley (why is he getting so much shit? the guy hasn't been in the league long enough), Warrick, and...ugh...marc gasol. Even Philly will have a young team now that Andre Miller should be gone and that philly does the right thing and drafts Ty Lawson. That would be a potential lineup of Lawson, young, AI, lou williams, and jason smith coming back.
I mean i know you guys are getting blake griffin, who if he develops a shot will be a quicker version of Boozer. Thornton and gordon are going to be great scorers. But Mike Taylor?? DeAndre Jordan?? Steve Novak?? Come on....
I'm telling everyone to not sell DeAndre Jordan short. He's a freak, and has great potential.
The Thunder have great young talent, perhaps only rivaled by the Blazers, but the Clippers are coming on strong, but they aren't quite there yet. I don't think Mike Taylor will be anything more than a good backup, but there won't be a more athletic power forward/ Center tandem than Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. Thornton is a great athlete, but he needs to work on the finer points of his game like ball movement and defense, and might be better suited as a 6th man type. Eric Gordon has a chance to be as good as almost anyone. He could end up at the Mitch Richmond level in time...
I think the Clippers are a point guard of the future away from being on the Blazer and OKC level, as far as great young talent, and perhaps a more well rounded small forward that might be Thornton or someone else...
i think okc (3rd pick, durant, green, sefolosha, westbrook, livingston) is nearest to portland, then there's memphis (2nd pick, gasol, gay, mayo, conley, arthur, milicic - he's only 23!!!) next in line. thornton is nearing his ceiling, and so is mike taylor. they're complete players and i don't expect their stats to baloon like what happens when players are in their 3rd year in the league. thornton's got good numbers, i expect him to maintain those (no drastic changes like granger's). mike taylor's would get higher with minutes but his PER would probably be the same.
yall are all sleeping on the clippers they have the worst contracts in the league but look at it this way the magic have a bad contract for lewis and look where there at the clippers can rebuild rite now and trade there top payers for other young players i liek baron davis i think its the coaching the clippers always had a great team but every year its bad coaching they have great drafting but bad coaching if the coaching get better i see this team as a contender and if the clippers choose to rebuild they can stock plie young talent for years to come by tradeing with playoff poteial teams taht juss have bad season for exampel the wizards is a playoff team they rather take a vet then a young un proven player
next year another team good team will probally have a bad season in then the clippers can trade 1 of the vets for there lottery pick clippers have a brighter future then the blazers
i agree with yall about the thunder but im not so sure u should include livingston in the equation. I mean the kid was once promising but after that gruesome leg injury i dont think he will ever be the same. I watched him play a game this year and he was interviewed after the game and u can jus tell by watching him play he may never truly trust his leg again
I hear what you're saying CaptainAmerica, but the Clippers have a long way to go. I wouldn't say they're the next Portland Traiblazers. Portland is not only on point w/ it's roster, but w/ it's upper management & coaching too. They have people that know what they're doing over there in Portland. Kevin Pritchard is a beast when it comes to the draft & making roster moves. He traded Tyrus Thomas for Lamarcus Aldridge & Randy Foye for Brandon Roye... IN THE SAME DRAFT. He got Rudy Fernandez's rights from the Suns (who picked him 24th in 2007) for only cash considerations! That's damn near thievery lol. He also stole Nicolas Batum from Houston (who picked him 25th) in the 2008 draft. They have one of the best young coaches in the league in Nate McMillian. Everybody thought the Blazers were a team to be feared NEXT year, but he led them to the playoffs as the 4th seed in the West... Homecourt advantage in the 1st round. The Clippers are a mess... Sterling & Dunleavy are a mess. Portland also just has way more talent. Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Fernandez, Batum, Bayless, Webster, Outlaw... They're loaded lol.
The Clippers have 3 nice building blocks in Griffin, Gordon & Jordan... Griffin hasn't even played a game yet though. Thornton is nice, but needs to work on playing w/o the ball. Taylor is extremely athletic & plays great D, but I'm not sure about his decision making & overall pg skills. Novak is probably the best 3-PT shooter in the NBA, but that's literally all he can do.
The Clippers have a lot of decisions to make & that scares me because Dunleavy is who's making them lol. IF they can get it right, then they'll be competitive in a couple of years. After this draft, that'll make the last 3 drafts having gone well for them. If they make the RIGHT roster moves this year & get another good lottery pick next year... They'll be on point & won't have to worry about Gordon, Griffin & Jordan bolting after their rookie contracts are up.
Whoever said the Clippers have a brighter future than the Blazers hahahh please tell me your not serious..
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isn't going to make the playoffs ever. That is a fact. The young talent the Clippers have isn't as good as some people believe. TWolves, Blazers, Thunder, Bulls...all have better young talent just to name a few..I could name even more teams.
I really like Taylor and Jordan, but let's keep things in context here. Jordan first needs to learn how to play defense so he can play an effective 20 MPG, Taylor needs some confidence and support from Dunleavy so he doesn't treat every minute of his PT like an NBA tryout.
I really like both guys, but they are rawer than Eddie Murphy right now. MAYBE in a year things could be different, if they develop this year and Griffin comes out and has a good rookie season.
The Clips young talent has a lot of potential, but still not a lot of production. Could they these guys be competitive but I think it will take at least 3 years. Jordan and Taylor still have a lot of room to improve and Kaman is coming off an injury so let's temper expectations for now.
I guess the main thing that Clips needs is a franchise player and definitely nobody on the teams fits the bill, not even if they draft Blake Griffin. OKC has Kevin Durant. The Clips has a good supporting cast but they need a franchise player. You've got option 2 and 3 locked up with Eric Gordon and once you get Blake Griffin. But then again, don't the Clippers have bad history dealing with drafts? Kaman has been their most solid pick for past several years.
Guys please let me clarify my post: Nowhere did I say the the Clips young guns were BETTER than the teams mentioned in the responses. The challenge I posed to everyone was to name SIX more teams that could boast what the Clips can. And on a related note, it's kind of clear some people pay attention to stats only and don't look inside the numbers. For those who do pay attention, D. Jordan didn't get playing time because of the frontcourt log jam but when he did he played absolutely above his second round selection. Same for M. Taylor, who has a nice future as an effective backup guard. B. Griffin- I addressed this before, but stop hatin on him just cause he'll be a Clipper for at least 2 or 3 years. At WORST (barring injury God forbid) Blake will be no worse than 50% of the leagues starting power forwards. Like I said I HATE the Clippers like most, but let's try to be fair.
great points cliptonyte, except your team still needs to get rid of some ugly contracts and seriously rebuild. i honestly think kaman and randolph need to go. Camby is expiring anyway and he's still a former MDP, BD can still run a team and he just needs to go back to his GSW form (Perhaps a New coach?). you're saying clips need a pg of the future, why not get another 1st round pick in this years draft? it's PG heavy, lot's of pgs with potential in both the 1st round and the 2nd rounds (good pgs are slipping coz there's just too much of them).
proposals for dealing these big men:
kaman: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lp83yq (only part of stack's contract is guaranteed, cash savings for donald sterling)
randolph: seems like he's untradeable at this point.
Thronton seems lazy to me. Hes a chucker. I love Gordon and was high on Jordan but he has alot to prove. Griffin adds alot but I think NJ, OKC, MEM, PORT, PHI have more promising youn lineups right now. With Griffin I see them about even with GS who have Ellis, Randolph and #7 and Minnesota with Jefferson, Foye, Love and #6. I have to throw my team in the mix and say that Chandler, Lee, Gallo, and a strong PG at #8 could be in that mix as well.
IMO, the clippers have an excellent group of individual players. Absolutely lack leadership. Coach and owner are horrendous. Baron Davis., one of my favorite players, in a half court play directed offense? Not his style at all. Minimal chemistry and accept losing. Big problems. A lot of games lost by big margins. In a pick up game, they would probably be nasty. Love to see what impact griffin brings to team moral and game play