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Kyrie trade

The cavs traded Kyrie for the nets pick Crowder zizic and IT. They just traded IT to the lakers. Crowder has been awful and zizic hasn't played much. If that nets pick doesn't workout this might be the worst trade of a superstar ever. Kyrie is under 25 one of the top 10 players in the world and they got nothing in return. If the PG trade rumor is true no wonder Lebron is so pissed. the franchise is in chaos.


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Not even close. Crowder

Not even close.

Crowder contributed to getting Hood and George Hill so add that to getting Clarkson and Nance you have four solid role players and a top 10 pick.

The Thunder trading James Harden for absolutely nothing of note was much worse.

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I believe the worst trade of

I believe the worst trade of 'superstars' occurred in 2013 with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce being traded to the Nets. Its going to be a long time before that trade is surpassed.

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Umm kind of disagree...

About the Thunder trade we were a different position vs Cleveland as they are in a small time market, the owner didn't want to pay luxury tax and no one saw the cap going up as much as it did which forced us to give up Harden not by choice but due to necessity...

Excluding the didn't work outs-Kevin martin and Jermey lamb...We got Steven Adams(the pick which was used on him was part of the Harden trade). See Hardens Deleted tweet about taking him at 12 even..(Google search James harden laughs at Thunders choice of Adams)...Is he an Mvp caliber player no but he is far from nothing he is a very good starting caliber center on a contender(who star players rave about as they know he is legit see Russ,P.G,Jimmy and Melo comments about him)..

If we are talking about nothing deals See Kings deal involving Demarcus Cousins that is way worse than the Harden deal-Buddy hield a bench player(they guy isn't even starting on the Kings SMH and that is saying something),A pick which they traded away for two lower picks one that isn't even playing and the other I don't think even gets on the court...This is without mentioning that they passed on Donovan mithcell and Kuzma to if they had kept their 10th pick..

Agreed about the Kyrie trade not being a wash: They essentially turned the Kyrie trade into the following:

Jordan Clarkson,Larry Nance JR,Rodney hood(Younger and better than Crowder and I.T is a UFA) and the Brooklyn pick(most likely a top 10 pick)..It is better than nothing and essentially gives them some nice young pieces for another trade down the line if they want to essentially the same as the Ibaka deal which turned Sabonis and Oladipo into PG if you play your cards right...Or they can just hold as is and have the greatest depth they have ever had while Lebron has been there(when K-love gets back that is) all they need is one more big possibly. who can space the floor..If lebron does leave though at least they have some young players to possibly build around to(hopefully not as he at least gives the east a legit threat to contend).

They gave up Iman shumpert a random draft and stash player +2nd rounder for George hill also...So sorry they didn't actually use anything from the Kyrie trade for that.

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Wow -- LeBron might finally

Wow -- LeBron might finally have pieces around him that fit -- and some athletes. This ain't over yet folks!

#whynewenglandslept

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These Cavs are not winning me

These Cavs are not winning me over. Hill w as terrible in Sacramento. Nance and Clarkson couldnt start in LA and they were terrible. Hood was on the bench in Utah too. They have talent but I think the Celtics are a better chance of taking the East after adding Monroe. The Raptors could even knock them off, Heat, Sixers and Bucks if they figure it out and go mad for a stretch could even upset them. So, I can't see the Cavs getting to the Finals. In the event it all works and they do get there, even playing well I think the Warriors and Rockets can beat them easily, San Antonio and Oklahoma probably would too. The most interesting series in the playoffs this year will be the 2nd round in the East and the WCF.

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starters

Why are you so hung up on guys being starters that came over? That's not a great way to evaluate players. Clarkson and Nance were on a rebuilding team, so yeah, Ball and Randle/Kuzma are going to start over them. And guess what, Thomas and Frye aren't going to start their either. At least Clarkson and Nance are younger, more athletic and better defenders. Nance will probably start for the Cavs until Love is back.

Hood was behind Mitchel and Ingles. Guess what, Crowder will probably be behind them as well. Hood is younger and a better fit with Lebron (as he doesn't play the same position as him). Hood might even start beside Lebron for the rest of the year.

Hill has been playing poorly, but he has a good portfolio of work from past years. So they bought low on him (even though he has an atrocious contract, but I'm comparing ability not contracts). Seems like he is a glue guy and better when he doesn't have to be the #1 option on the team, which he won't be on this team. Plus he's a better defender than Thomas. I'm okay with giving up Shumpert for that (who won't be starting for the Kings, because that matters).

Wade might start for the Heat but I view his deal as irrelevant as I think it was more of a mercy deal where Wade just wanted to go back to Miami.

So looking at the players they gave up and the players they brought in, the Cavs got younger, more athletic, healthier and better defenders. Not saying this move makes them champions or even gets them to the finals, but I believe this does make them a better team.

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Bradley and Zeller who also

Bradley and Zeller who also left Celtics last summer were moved on, so it looks as if Ainge and Stevens have made the right calls.

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The Cavs did the best they could with a semi bare cupboard..

Lets be honest the Cavs did the best they could with what they had which was a whole lot of bloated contracts...They also turned the Kyrie trade into a better fit for their team longterm..

Their Gm turned D-rose(hardly plays),Iman Shumpert,Channing Frye,I.T(who clearley wasn't working there),Crowder who really dropped off a cliff there,a 2nd round pick,a draft and stash and their own pick with protections for:

Rodney hood(better than Crowder and younger)he is also a RFA giving them first rights to reup him which they weren't going to get with I.T.

George hill who can play combo guard and can at least guard someone vs I.T or Rose.

Larry nance who allows them to play up and down and can play Pf,SF and small ball Center.

Clarkson- who could either start at SG or play a lou williams like role for them off the bench who is on a cheap deal.

They kept the Nets pick out of any trade and their pick is protected so should they drop right off a cliff they get their own pick(not likely but still never say never)...

This was better than Having to pay I.T(anyone that gives him a max should be fired as he is now falling into that Monta ellis type player) or losing him for nothing.

Crowder was on a cheap deal but I don't know if he was a great fit there also.

and having to pay players that weren't really good fits there..

Worst case for the Cavs now is they have some legit pieces to trade if Lebron bolts for future assets..

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Getting rid of the dead

Getting rid of the dead weight was the biggest improvement Cleveland made. Lebron has 19 assists in a win tonight and none of the new acquisitions played. Korver scored 30 points and Osman had 15, 6 rebounds and 5 assists with 3 steals. Thomas was never a Cav.

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Asterisk

There should be an asterisk next to that win. Yeah, none of the traded players played, but they were playing the Hawks. The only position the Hawks would have had advantage in was point guard. Clevelands leftovers are better than Atlantas starters.

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