[valentine]

 You dont have to explain beacuse you prob already have, if you feel like it, go head…

I got Kyrie Mr. 4th qtr. Irving, all day, erday. Specially going into the future.

 

(Warning, careful what you say, cuz I will bring this thread up next year.)

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

"…careful what you say, cuz I will bring this thread up next year." Are you suppose to threaten us? Get a life man

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

"…careful what you say, cuz I will bring this thread up next year." Are you suppose to threaten us? Get a life man

[flopdownD]

 If you feel "threatened" by this, perhaps YOU need to get a life. I dont even know why im answering because thats how you ruin threads… If yo think John Wall is better just say it, when Kyrie is the leading scorer at PG while being arguably the clutchest player in the L and one of the best go to scorer i will bring this thread up and laugh at you.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Ummm….Kyrie is not the leading scorer at PG. Steph Curry is…Don’t forget that John Wall only scores 1.4 points less per game than Kyrie. Not that big of a difference.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Ummm….Kyrie is not the leading scorer at PG. Steph Curry is…Don’t forget that John Wall only scores 1.4 points less per game than Kyrie. Not that big of a difference.

[flopdownD]

 Read the entire post and find where i said Kyrie leads the league in scoring at PG, please go ahead.

[flopdownD]

 Read the entire post and find where i said Kyrie leads the league in scoring at PG, please go ahead.

[flopdownD]

 Read the entire post and find where i said Kyrie leads the league in scoring at PG, please go ahead.

[flopdownD]

 Read the entire post and find where i said Kyrie leads the league in scoring at PG, please go ahead.

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Kyrie puts up empty stats….

They leave him in the entire 4th even when they’re down by 20+, I’ve seen it on a number of occasions this year.  He then goes on to score 15+ in the quarter which inflates his scoring totals and their team still loses by double digits.

Kyrie not leading this team to a better record shows his weaknesses as a leader and a competitor.  There is no doubting John Wall’s competitiveness but its easy to question Kyrie.  He looks like he mainly wants to put on a show which is why I’ve never been a huge fan.

Kyrie’s very skilled but he clearly doesn’t give 100% especially on defense, that alone has always made John Wall better in my eyes.

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Kyrie puts up empty stats….

They leave him in the entire 4th even when they’re down by 20+, I’ve seen it on a number of occasions this year.  He then goes on to score 15+ in the quarter which inflates his scoring totals and their team still loses by double digits.

Kyrie not leading this team to a better record shows his weaknesses as a leader and a competitor.  There is no doubting John Wall’s competitiveness but its easy to question Kyrie.  He looks like he mainly wants to put on a show which is why I’ve never been a huge fan.

Kyrie’s very skilled but he clearly doesn’t give 100% especially on defense, that alone has always made John Wall better in my eyes.

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

Seriuosly, Man? You’re diggin on Kyrie too much. Are you HOMO my friend? 

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

Seriuosly, Man? You’re diggin on Kyrie too much. Are you HOMO my friend? 

[flopdownD]

 If you feel "threatened" by this, perhaps YOU need to get a life. I dont even know why im answering because thats how you ruin threads… If yo think John Wall is better just say it, when Kyrie is the leading scorer at PG while being arguably the clutchest player in the L and one of the best go to scorer i will bring this thread up and laugh at you.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

calls Irving Mr.4th quarter the day he got benched in the 4th for getting torched all game against a depleted last place Lakers team..jus LOLOLOLOL

gimmie John Wall. he can actually play this thing called DEFENSE. not to mention a better playmaker with the ball. he sets up his teammates better and can score 20 a game with it. 

he doesnt shoot the ball as well as Irving does, but thats about the only thing Irving does better than Wall.

Wall’s jumper has improved from last year and i expect it to keep improving as the years go on.

Wall>>>>>>>>>Irving.

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

calls Irving Mr.4th quarter the day he got benched in the 4th for getting torched all game against a depleted last place Lakers team..jus LOLOLOLOL

gimmie John Wall. he can actually play this thing called DEFENSE. not to mention a better playmaker with the ball. he sets up his teammates better and can score 20 a game with it. 

he doesnt shoot the ball as well as Irving does, but thats about the only thing Irving does better than Wall.

Wall’s jumper has improved from last year and i expect it to keep improving as the years go on.

Wall>>>>>>>>>Irving.

 

[flopdownD]

 Yes Wall will keep getting better while Irving game will stay the same… because Wall is younger than The 35yo Irving. "LOLOLOLOLOL"

it was just last year when Wall couldnt shoot a coconut inside a pool, improvements from 3rd to 4th year, expect the same from Irving.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 i said i expect Walls jumper to improve, i didnt say Irving’s game wont. lol @ your reading comprehension

Irving shows no effort on defense, the guy gets lit up by every PG he goes up against.He also doesnt have the passing skills/instincts of John Wall. John is a more natural PG than Irving,Irving would rather try to score 30 than set up his teammates.

Irving is also nowhere near the athlete John is. thats one thing i can guarantee and thats Irving wont improve his athleticism. John will forever by the better athlete,along with the better defender and passer.

Irving also hasnt shown much improvement from his 1st year til now,other than his scoring average but his shooting % has dipped.his scoring average is actually lower than last years after checking it. jus LOL. since his 1st year he hasnt improved his passing,defense,or rebounding. 

[flopdownD]

 You sound like an idiot saying "LOLOLOLOL" and " jus LOL. There is nothing to lol about here. 

What im saying is Irvings defnese will improve, if you put him in a team thats sparks some interest. Wall is the better athlete but is not as efficient in the halfcourt (playoffs) like Irving, rebounding is useless since they will both be around 4 at one point, .5 rebounding will not make a difference, Wall passes more because he has a better team and he can get less buckets. Wall is more athletic but they both shot around the same % ‘at the rim’ when Irving wasnt struggling. 

Irving can take over, Wall cant.

[flopdownD]

 You sound like an idiot saying "LOLOLOLOL" and " jus LOL. There is nothing to lol about here. 

What im saying is Irvings defnese will improve, if you put him in a team thats sparks some interest. Wall is the better athlete but is not as efficient in the halfcourt (playoffs) like Irving, rebounding is useless since they will both be around 4 at one point, .5 rebounding will not make a difference, Wall passes more because he has a better team and he can get less buckets. Wall is more athletic but they both shot around the same % ‘at the rim’ when Irving wasnt struggling. 

Irving can take over, Wall cant.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 irving defense will improve? LOLOLOLOLOL. he’s never played defense in his life.i highly doubt he will in the near future,no matter where he plays. he doesnt put the effort in on that end of the floor and doesnt have the motor.

Wall Defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kyrie D.

Walls supporting cast isnt great other than Beal. he’s really been helping out his teammates get better/open shots with his penetration and jus overall passing skills. like i said before, he’s purer PG than Irving. 

lol @ you saying Wall cant take over. jus cus his jumper isnt better than Irvings doesnt mean he cant take over a game. 

Irvings leadership is also shit. the guy is all about himself. 

Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>Irving

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 irving defense will improve? LOLOLOLOLOL. he’s never played defense in his life.i highly doubt he will in the near future,no matter where he plays. he doesnt put the effort in on that end of the floor and doesnt have the motor.

Wall Defense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kyrie D.

Walls supporting cast isnt great other than Beal. he’s really been helping out his teammates get better/open shots with his penetration and jus overall passing skills. like i said before, he’s purer PG than Irving. 

lol @ you saying Wall cant take over. jus cus his jumper isnt better than Irvings doesnt mean he cant take over a game. 

Irvings leadership is also shit. the guy is all about himself. 

Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>Irving

[flopdownD]

Up until this year Wall never could make threes. He didnt look comfortable and his stroke was garbage. Things changed.

If you put Irving with a serious coach, a leader teammate and plus on a contender, trust me, his defense will improve. He is in a very bad scene right now, thats why you hear reports he wants out, cleveland is a mess.

when i say take over, i mean as a go to scorer in clutch minutes… I do not want Wall with the ball in his hands the last play of a Playoff game. Championship teams need a clutch player, and they dont come often, irving got it

seriously, stop the LOLs, you look like a moron.

 

[flopdownD]

Up until this year Wall never could make threes. He didnt look comfortable and his stroke was garbage. Things changed.

If you put Irving with a serious coach, a leader teammate and plus on a contender, trust me, his defense will improve. He is in a very bad scene right now, thats why you hear reports he wants out, cleveland is a mess.

when i say take over, i mean as a go to scorer in clutch minutes… I do not want Wall with the ball in his hands the last play of a Playoff game. Championship teams need a clutch player, and they dont come often, irving got it

seriously, stop the LOLs, you look like a moron.

 

[the I in winParticipant]

I’m glad you brought up leadership.  Loul Deng got their and was put off by the lack of accountability from the players, coaches, and management; when the Wizards were bad and John Wall was being criticized we didn’t hear much from him but now that the Cavs are under performing we are hearing about Kyrie wanting to be traded.  Irving had that video last summer of him dribbling through about every all star in the nba when he was working out with team usa and ever since that video people have been all over his d*ck.

Players get "overrated" by people who don’t actually know what they are talking about but judge off of a video, a game, or a few weeks of games and then set to high of standards for that player and when they don’t meet them they are "overrated".  Irving has improved/got more comfortable in the nba but his drawbacks are still present.

As soon as Kyrie has a big game, game winner, good few weeks we will see more people loving on him again just like everyone is doing with Blake Griffin because of 43/15/6.

[the I in winParticipant]

I’m glad you brought up leadership.  Loul Deng got their and was put off by the lack of accountability from the players, coaches, and management; when the Wizards were bad and John Wall was being criticized we didn’t hear much from him but now that the Cavs are under performing we are hearing about Kyrie wanting to be traded.  Irving had that video last summer of him dribbling through about every all star in the nba when he was working out with team usa and ever since that video people have been all over his d*ck.

Players get "overrated" by people who don’t actually know what they are talking about but judge off of a video, a game, or a few weeks of games and then set to high of standards for that player and when they don’t meet them they are "overrated".  Irving has improved/got more comfortable in the nba but his drawbacks are still present.

As soon as Kyrie has a big game, game winner, good few weeks we will see more people loving on him again just like everyone is doing with Blake Griffin because of 43/15/6.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 i said i expect Walls jumper to improve, i didnt say Irving’s game wont. lol @ your reading comprehension

Irving shows no effort on defense, the guy gets lit up by every PG he goes up against.He also doesnt have the passing skills/instincts of John Wall. John is a more natural PG than Irving,Irving would rather try to score 30 than set up his teammates.

Irving is also nowhere near the athlete John is. thats one thing i can guarantee and thats Irving wont improve his athleticism. John will forever by the better athlete,along with the better defender and passer.

Irving also hasnt shown much improvement from his 1st year til now,other than his scoring average but his shooting % has dipped.his scoring average is actually lower than last years after checking it. jus LOL. since his 1st year he hasnt improved his passing,defense,or rebounding. 

[flopdownD]

 Yes Wall will keep getting better while Irving game will stay the same… because Wall is younger than The 35yo Irving. "LOLOLOLOLOL"

it was just last year when Wall couldnt shoot a coconut inside a pool, improvements from 3rd to 4th year, expect the same from Irving.

[kngojcParticipant]

 Kyrie has the clutch gene. He has the "it" factor. He can shoot the lights out. But you also have to take into account so many other factors. He’s a ball dominant PG, and while those are becoming more popular in the league, how many teams with that type of PG has won a championship? I like Kyrie more as a player, but as a foundational player to build a championship with… John Wall is going to be my pick. 

The owners of the Cavs have done a lot to try to turn the franchise around post-LBJ. Yeah they’ve screwed up picks, but for the most part, they are putting pieces together around Kyrie to help the team succeed. How many more seasons in the cellar will it take for it to result in another star leaving Cleveland? At least with Washington, they sucked bad but have been steadily turning it around, and this year, they’re actually at .500, hell if the playoffs started today, they’d be the 5th seed. 

 

[kngojcParticipant]

 Kyrie has the clutch gene. He has the "it" factor. He can shoot the lights out. But you also have to take into account so many other factors. He’s a ball dominant PG, and while those are becoming more popular in the league, how many teams with that type of PG has won a championship? I like Kyrie more as a player, but as a foundational player to build a championship with… John Wall is going to be my pick. 

The owners of the Cavs have done a lot to try to turn the franchise around post-LBJ. Yeah they’ve screwed up picks, but for the most part, they are putting pieces together around Kyrie to help the team succeed. How many more seasons in the cellar will it take for it to result in another star leaving Cleveland? At least with Washington, they sucked bad but have been steadily turning it around, and this year, they’re actually at .500, hell if the playoffs started today, they’d be the 5th seed. 

 

[adumParticipant]

 How about Isaiah Thomas vs Irving. Btw Becareful

[adumParticipant]

 How about Isaiah Thomas vs Irving. Btw Becareful

[flopdownD]

Irving. Please confirm you would take Isaiah Thomas for future reference. 

[flopdownD]

Irving. Please confirm you would take Isaiah Thomas for future reference. 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Get over yourself and get a life.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Get over yourself and get a life.

[flopdownD]

 Question for you… How many teams have won a championship without a go to scorer?

Another question for you, how many legit go to scorers are there in the NBA? a guy when sh!t hits the fan you can count on to get you Buckets….

P.S thats why the point system tells you nothing about a poster, a person concerned about points wouldnt start a thread saying Kyrie Irving (who is getting massely hated) is better than mr. Hot topic John Wall. Irving>wall

[kngojcParticipant]

 Who said anything about not having a go-to scorer? Should I point you to the direction of your own thread where you say people just read one sentence and base their argument off that? 

But I’ll bring up a couple examples that comes to mind:

– Russel Westbrook. Phenomenal player, phenomenal athelete, steadily improves his game every single year. We could get into a whole different debate about if OKC would be better with Rondo rather than Russel, but I won’t point to that legendary streak KD went on while his running mate was out.

– Derrick Rose. Tragic injuries and all that, but if a scoring POINT GUARD is the focal point of any offense, that offense will stagnate when someone shuts him down (ala Lebron in the playoffs). He’s my favorite player and he does a lot for his team, but with that makeup of a team, the Bulls are fighting an uphill battle to win a chip.

Now let me answer your second question with a question. Name a team that doesn’t have a go-to scorer and is in the top half of the league? You’re absolutely right, it is very important to have a guy who can go on a tear in the 4th. But if your offense RELIES on that, night in and night out, that guy is going to get exhausted, and your team will suffer.

Now if you want to complain about points, go ahead, whine. My opinion isn’t based on the amount of points I can get. I get points because I can form a rational thought, express that thought with evidence, and have others agree with it. Being a prick and calling everyone else wrong, ignoring their own opinions, is a surefire way to get negged though. But keep it up pal! Who knows, you might hit zero one day! 

 

 

 

 

[kngojcParticipant]

 Who said anything about not having a go-to scorer? Should I point you to the direction of your own thread where you say people just read one sentence and base their argument off that? 

But I’ll bring up a couple examples that comes to mind:

– Russel Westbrook. Phenomenal player, phenomenal athelete, steadily improves his game every single year. We could get into a whole different debate about if OKC would be better with Rondo rather than Russel, but I won’t point to that legendary streak KD went on while his running mate was out.

– Derrick Rose. Tragic injuries and all that, but if a scoring POINT GUARD is the focal point of any offense, that offense will stagnate when someone shuts him down (ala Lebron in the playoffs). He’s my favorite player and he does a lot for his team, but with that makeup of a team, the Bulls are fighting an uphill battle to win a chip.

Now let me answer your second question with a question. Name a team that doesn’t have a go-to scorer and is in the top half of the league? You’re absolutely right, it is very important to have a guy who can go on a tear in the 4th. But if your offense RELIES on that, night in and night out, that guy is going to get exhausted, and your team will suffer.

Now if you want to complain about points, go ahead, whine. My opinion isn’t based on the amount of points I can get. I get points because I can form a rational thought, express that thought with evidence, and have others agree with it. Being a prick and calling everyone else wrong, ignoring their own opinions, is a surefire way to get negged though. But keep it up pal! Who knows, you might hit zero one day! 

 

 

 

 

[flopdownD]

 Question for you… How many teams have won a championship without a go to scorer?

Another question for you, how many legit go to scorers are there in the NBA? a guy when sh!t hits the fan you can count on to get you Buckets….

P.S thats why the point system tells you nothing about a poster, a person concerned about points wouldnt start a thread saying Kyrie Irving (who is getting massely hated) is better than mr. Hot topic John Wall. Irving>wall

[flopdownD]

 I love the hate. Keep negging, seriously. Its gonna be the ‘bump thread’ of the year… Next year. 

[flopdownD]

 I love the hate. Keep negging, seriously. Its gonna be the ‘bump thread’ of the year… Next year. 

[LitteringAnd…Participant]

 Enjoy oblivion. No one will remember you let alone this thread. For the recod this is currently a no brainer. Wall all day. And saying that I’m a huuuuuge fan of ‘Drew but right now he can’t lead his team to wins and Wall is basically doing everything better than Kyrie. Long term I’m not prepared to call it; they’ve both got so much room to grow. 

[LitteringAnd…Participant]

 Enjoy oblivion. No one will remember you let alone this thread. For the recod this is currently a no brainer. Wall all day. And saying that I’m a huuuuuge fan of ‘Drew but right now he can’t lead his team to wins and Wall is basically doing everything better than Kyrie. Long term I’m not prepared to call it; they’ve both got so much room to grow. 

[t-loveParticipant]

and he’s still puting up nearly 20 a game. Defenders know hes just going to drive everytime and he still blows by them. And if you crash the paint? He can kick it out to the open shooter. He plays better defense than Irving, and is blindingly quick. He also knows how to get his team involved. He’s averaging 8.5 while Irvings putting up 6.2 (Nearly 40 % more than Wall). I only see Wall’s assist numbersimproving with this Wizzards squad. Irving, however, is someone I think is always going to think score first. Wall also plays the glass a lot better than Kyrie (Wall: 4.4 rpg; Irving 3.5 rpg). An extra rebound a game is a lot when it comes to a point guard (Wall grabs 25% more than Irving).  Id rather take the guy that can get to the rim, make the play, and crash the glass rather than the kid with the fancy handles everytime. Sure, Irving can hit some crazy shots late, but I’d rather not rely on one guy in isolation for all of my fourth quarter points. 

[t-loveParticipant]

and he’s still puting up nearly 20 a game. Defenders know hes just going to drive everytime and he still blows by them. And if you crash the paint? He can kick it out to the open shooter. He plays better defense than Irving, and is blindingly quick. He also knows how to get his team involved. He’s averaging 8.5 while Irvings putting up 6.2 (Nearly 40 % more than Wall). I only see Wall’s assist numbersimproving with this Wizzards squad. Irving, however, is someone I think is always going to think score first. Wall also plays the glass a lot better than Kyrie (Wall: 4.4 rpg; Irving 3.5 rpg). An extra rebound a game is a lot when it comes to a point guard (Wall grabs 25% more than Irving).  Id rather take the guy that can get to the rim, make the play, and crash the glass rather than the kid with the fancy handles everytime. Sure, Irving can hit some crazy shots late, but I’d rather not rely on one guy in isolation for all of my fourth quarter points. 

[flopdownD]

 Kyrie is super lighting quick and has more creative handle in halfcourt.

this is Kyrie’s worst rebounding year, at the end of the day there will be a .5 rebounding differnece at most. Not gonna matter come playoff time….. The whole go-to scorer difference, WILL.

[flopdownD]

 Kyrie is super lighting quick and has more creative handle in halfcourt.

this is Kyrie’s worst rebounding year, at the end of the day there will be a .5 rebounding differnece at most. Not gonna matter come playoff time….. The whole go-to scorer difference, WILL.

[thatdude44Participant]

 I’m convinced you know nothing about basketball or speed, period. There’s no way you talk about quickness or speed in the NBA and down play John Wall. Smh, Irving is good but your buffing dude a bit much…

[thatdude44Participant]

 I’m convinced you know nothing about basketball or speed, period. There’s no way you talk about quickness or speed in the NBA and down play John Wall. Smh, Irving is good but your buffing dude a bit much…

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Come playoff time, Wall will be playing and not Kyrie. 

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Come playoff time, Wall will be playing and not Kyrie. 

[t-loveParticipant]

 First set of parenthases should read "nearly 40% better than Irving," hopefully nobody was too thrown off by that. And all the stats I used came from espn.go.com

 

 

[t-loveParticipant]

 First set of parenthases should read "nearly 40% better than Irving," hopefully nobody was too thrown off by that. And all the stats I used came from espn.go.com

 

 

[kanuflengParticipant]

Athleticism – Wall
Size – Wall
Defense – Wall
Strength – Wall
Quickness – Tie?
Leadership – Wall
Jumpshot – Irving
Ball handling – Irving
Passing – Wall
Intangibles – Wall

[kanuflengParticipant]

Athleticism – Wall
Size – Wall
Defense – Wall
Strength – Wall
Quickness – Tie?
Leadership – Wall
Jumpshot – Irving
Ball handling – Irving
Passing – Wall
Intangibles – Wall

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Tie? I’m sorry, you are saying that Johns Walls greatest attribute, his lightning speed, is tied with Kyrie? John Wall is one of the fastest players in the league if not the fastest. Kyrie isnt even worth mentioning in the same breath in terms of pure quickness.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Tie? I’m sorry, you are saying that Johns Walls greatest attribute, his lightning speed, is tied with Kyrie? John Wall is one of the fastest players in the league if not the fastest. Kyrie isnt even worth mentioning in the same breath in terms of pure quickness.

[kanuflengParticipant]

i am not saying its a tie. that is why i put a question mark. kyrie is pretty quick too. but yeah, wall arguably the fastest guy right now

[kanuflengParticipant]

i am not saying its a tie. that is why i put a question mark. kyrie is pretty quick too. but yeah, wall arguably the fastest guy right now

[tytan23Participant]

Personally I would pick Wall because of how they are right now and how much growth and improvement he has made. Obviously you like Kyrie and that’s all good too. Just reading a few of your comments and felt the need to reply.

“What im saying is Irvings defnese will improve, if you put him in a team thats sparks some interest”:
“If you put Irving with a serious coach, a leader teammate and plus on a contender, trust me, his defense will improve”:
Why should an all star, star player, who by definition is the leader of the team need all that to improve his own defence.

“I do not want Wall with the ball in his hands the last play of a Playoff game. Championship teams need a clutch player, and they dont come often, irving got it”
I must have missed when Kyrie was in the playoffs making big plays

“seriously, stop the LOLs, you look like a moron”:
How do you know what he looks like? LOL

“Another question for you, how many legit go to scorers are there in the NBA? a guy when sh!t hits the fan you can count on to get you Buckets….”
I think the shit has hit the fan already for Kyrie and the Cavs. Where Kyrie been.

“this is Kyrie’s worst rebounding year, at the end of the day there will be a .5 rebounding differnece at most. Not gonna matter come playoff time….. The whole go-to scorer difference, WILL”
Once again, talking about playoffs, what playoffs. You cant compare them with hypothetical playoff resumes because neither has been there. Wall will probably be there this year, and Kyrie still has a shot (only because the east is so bad), although they probably wont

[tytan23Participant]

Personally I would pick Wall because of how they are right now and how much growth and improvement he has made. Obviously you like Kyrie and that’s all good too. Just reading a few of your comments and felt the need to reply.

“What im saying is Irvings defnese will improve, if you put him in a team thats sparks some interest”:
“If you put Irving with a serious coach, a leader teammate and plus on a contender, trust me, his defense will improve”:
Why should an all star, star player, who by definition is the leader of the team need all that to improve his own defence.

“I do not want Wall with the ball in his hands the last play of a Playoff game. Championship teams need a clutch player, and they dont come often, irving got it”
I must have missed when Kyrie was in the playoffs making big plays

“seriously, stop the LOLs, you look like a moron”:
How do you know what he looks like? LOL

“Another question for you, how many legit go to scorers are there in the NBA? a guy when sh!t hits the fan you can count on to get you Buckets….”
I think the shit has hit the fan already for Kyrie and the Cavs. Where Kyrie been.

“this is Kyrie’s worst rebounding year, at the end of the day there will be a .5 rebounding differnece at most. Not gonna matter come playoff time….. The whole go-to scorer difference, WILL”
Once again, talking about playoffs, what playoffs. You cant compare them with hypothetical playoff resumes because neither has been there. Wall will probably be there this year, and Kyrie still has a shot (only because the east is so bad), although they probably wont

[flopdownD]

Same here, I need to reply.1. Sometimes young players need to be motivated, Kyrie is still very young and could use a metor. The fact that you are saying young star players should need ‘all that’ to be motivated leaves a question mark. 2- Kyrie has shown to be able to absolutely take over late in games, that should not change. Why you say that skill wouldn’t transfer to playoffs? He’s one of the clutchest players in the L since rookie year, fact. 3- You are beating around the bush, he comes off as a dumbass with the LOLs, obviously I don’t know what he looks like, but I used the word ‘look in the right context. If you say something stupid, it will make you look stupid regardless of what you look like. What are you 8y.o. 4- The sh!t hits the fan when you need a bucket at the last minute of a playoff game, sh!t has not hit the fan in Cleveland in the context I am using the old saying one way, you are using it another, don’t twist my words. 5- .5 rebounding won’t matter in regular season or playoffs, just useless at the end of the the difference is minimal, reg seas. Playoffs. Summer league.

[flopdownD]

Same here, I need to reply.1. Sometimes young players need to be motivated, Kyrie is still very young and could use a metor. The fact that you are saying young star players should need ‘all that’ to be motivated leaves a question mark. 2- Kyrie has shown to be able to absolutely take over late in games, that should not change. Why you say that skill wouldn’t transfer to playoffs? He’s one of the clutchest players in the L since rookie year, fact. 3- You are beating around the bush, he comes off as a dumbass with the LOLs, obviously I don’t know what he looks like, but I used the word ‘look in the right context. If you say something stupid, it will make you look stupid regardless of what you look like. What are you 8y.o. 4- The sh!t hits the fan when you need a bucket at the last minute of a playoff game, sh!t has not hit the fan in Cleveland in the context I am using the old saying one way, you are using it another, don’t twist my words. 5- .5 rebounding won’t matter in regular season or playoffs, just useless at the end of the the difference is minimal, reg seas. Playoffs. Summer league.

[terrancebowerParticipant]

Read your paragraphs before posting… half of it I had to read multiple times to figure out what you were actually saying. Learn how to structure a sentence. None of your points sound valid. Wall is an amazing defender and distributor. Irving is a tiiiiiny bit better at scoring, although he’s incredibly ineffieient. Wall is miles ahead of Irving in every single aspect of the game except for shooting/scoring, and it’s not even close. If you think a point or two is more important than distributing, rebounding, leadership, and good on ball defense you clearly know nothing at all aboput basketball. Did you watch the Cavs game last night? There’s a very good reason he was benched most of the game… he plays with zero heart… dude’s soft, and jacks shots with no concience.

After Kyrie’s rookie year I posted on here that I would still take Wall over him and got negged hard… I guess people like crossovers more than wins.

[terrancebowerParticipant]

Read your paragraphs before posting… half of it I had to read multiple times to figure out what you were actually saying. Learn how to structure a sentence. None of your points sound valid. Wall is an amazing defender and distributor. Irving is a tiiiiiny bit better at scoring, although he’s incredibly ineffieient. Wall is miles ahead of Irving in every single aspect of the game except for shooting/scoring, and it’s not even close. If you think a point or two is more important than distributing, rebounding, leadership, and good on ball defense you clearly know nothing at all aboput basketball. Did you watch the Cavs game last night? There’s a very good reason he was benched most of the game… he plays with zero heart… dude’s soft, and jacks shots with no concience.

After Kyrie’s rookie year I posted on here that I would still take Wall over him and got negged hard… I guess people like crossovers more than wins.

[flopdownD]

 Thing is i wrote that on a phone going into work. I am sorry about the spelling, and i cant do spaces between lines or it will just post the first line.

[flopdownD]

 Thing is i wrote that on a phone going into work. I am sorry about the spelling, and i cant do spaces between lines or it will just post the first line.

[tytan23Participant]

1: I never said they need ‘all that’. Kyrie is an all star and leader of his team fact. You don’t need anything but yourself to play defence. Sure to be good at defence a mentor and good team strategy would help but Kyrie barely even tries at defence which all comes back to him. Some players do not have the abilities, some people don’t have the desire.

2: have you not heard the playoffs are completely different to the regular seasons so until he makes it and shows the same clutchness there I’ll just have to wait. For example Lebron was pretty clutch during the regular season (not sure if he was on Kyries level) but he was known as a choker until recently because of the playoffs (maybe a stupid comparison but whatever)

3: It was a joke, lighten up. If you say something stupid it makes you “sound’ stupid. If you do something stupid you look stupid. No I am not 8, why the little personal attack?

4: Your context of a bucket being needed in the last minute of a playoff game has no pull here because he hasn’t shown that ability yet fact. When he does, by all means use it, until then it is all hear say

5: If your point can get a defensive rebound and go coast to coast for an easy basket it matters in all forms of basketball.

[tytan23Participant]

1: I never said they need ‘all that’. Kyrie is an all star and leader of his team fact. You don’t need anything but yourself to play defence. Sure to be good at defence a mentor and good team strategy would help but Kyrie barely even tries at defence which all comes back to him. Some players do not have the abilities, some people don’t have the desire.

2: have you not heard the playoffs are completely different to the regular seasons so until he makes it and shows the same clutchness there I’ll just have to wait. For example Lebron was pretty clutch during the regular season (not sure if he was on Kyries level) but he was known as a choker until recently because of the playoffs (maybe a stupid comparison but whatever)

3: It was a joke, lighten up. If you say something stupid it makes you “sound’ stupid. If you do something stupid you look stupid. No I am not 8, why the little personal attack?

4: Your context of a bucket being needed in the last minute of a playoff game has no pull here because he hasn’t shown that ability yet fact. When he does, by all means use it, until then it is all hear say

5: If your point can get a defensive rebound and go coast to coast for an easy basket it matters in all forms of basketball.

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

What I’m getting out of this topic is that if you’re right about Irving being better than Wall, then you’re going to bring it up and rub in everybody’s face down the road. And if you’re wrong, you’re going to forgot about this and pretend it never existed. Sounds like logical reasoning…..

[flopdownD]

 No dude Ive been saying Kyrie is better, since freshman year, and got tons of negs…. Then everyone hopped in the bandwagon… Only 1 person in the entire thread has defended Kyrie.

i am sticking to kyrie through and thru. I will bring it up next year reagardless.

[flopdownD]

 No dude Ive been saying Kyrie is better, since freshman year, and got tons of negs…. Then everyone hopped in the bandwagon… Only 1 person in the entire thread has defended Kyrie.

i am sticking to kyrie through and thru. I will bring it up next year reagardless.

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

What I’m getting out of this topic is that if you’re right about Irving being better than Wall, then you’re going to bring it up and rub in everybody’s face down the road. And if you’re wrong, you’re going to forgot about this and pretend it never existed. Sounds like logical reasoning…..

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 FlopdownD you successfully ruined this thread. Now wipe kyrie’s jizz off your mouth and just stop.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 FlopdownD you successfully ruined this thread. Now wipe kyrie’s jizz off your mouth and just stop.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Hilarious.  Future_Scout back to his trollish ways.  You would think after 20 different names he would learn

[flopdownD]

 How am i trolling, Buckshot?

[flopdownD]

 How am i trolling, Buckshot?

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Hilarious.  Future_Scout back to his trollish ways.  You would think after 20 different names he would learn

[WetalkinboutpracticeParticipant]

 Who would you rather have a healthy Gilbert Arenas or a healthy Rondo/Westbrook hybrid? Ok.

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

 This is funny…I’ve always compared Kyrie to Arenas and I’ve always said Wall was a Rondo/Rose mix but Westbrook works as well.  You read my mind bro..lol

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

 This is funny…I’ve always compared Kyrie to Arenas and I’ve always said Wall was a Rondo/Rose mix but Westbrook works as well.  You read my mind bro..lol

[WetalkinboutpracticeParticipant]

 Who would you rather have a healthy Gilbert Arenas or a healthy Rondo/Westbrook hybrid? Ok.

[Brennan23Participant]

 You guys are way to low on Kyrie. He is still the best point guard in the league he is just having a rough start. He is only 21 years old, cut him some slack 

[Brennan23Participant]

 You guys are way to low on Kyrie. He is still the best point guard in the league he is just having a rough start. He is only 21 years old, cut him some slack 

[t-loveParticipant]

That may be a tad of an overstatement, but you’re entitled to your opinion. Last time I checked though, the consensus best point guard in the league is Chris Paul. While I think there are many points close to Paul’s level, Irving definitely doesnt surpass Paul. And if you’re going to say he’s injured and it doesnt count… well:

Steph Curry

Tony Parker

Westbrook and Rose if they return to form.

Rajon Rondo

 

All of these guys are generally considered better than Irving, and theyve all played on winning teams and performed in the playoffs.

 

Oh, and some guys that are easily right on Irving’s level if not above him (it eventually comes down to preference, as player rankings are subjective):

Damian Lillard

John Wall

Ty lawson

Kyle Lowry

Deron Williams

Calling Kyrie the best point guard in the league is a stretch, buddy. Could he eventually be the best point in the league? Maybe. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Your claim is either showing immense ignorance of the other great one guards in the league or plain disrespect to the folks who’ve earned their spots on the list by performing when it matters on winning teams. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[t-loveParticipant]

That may be a tad of an overstatement, but you’re entitled to your opinion. Last time I checked though, the consensus best point guard in the league is Chris Paul. While I think there are many points close to Paul’s level, Irving definitely doesnt surpass Paul. And if you’re going to say he’s injured and it doesnt count… well:

Steph Curry

Tony Parker

Westbrook and Rose if they return to form.

Rajon Rondo

 

All of these guys are generally considered better than Irving, and theyve all played on winning teams and performed in the playoffs.

 

Oh, and some guys that are easily right on Irving’s level if not above him (it eventually comes down to preference, as player rankings are subjective):

Damian Lillard

John Wall

Ty lawson

Kyle Lowry

Deron Williams

Calling Kyrie the best point guard in the league is a stretch, buddy. Could he eventually be the best point in the league? Maybe. I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Your claim is either showing immense ignorance of the other great one guards in the league or plain disrespect to the folks who’ve earned their spots on the list by performing when it matters on winning teams. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[t-loveParticipant]

 Eric Bledsoe

[t-loveParticipant]

 Eric Bledsoe

[Land of GrantParticipant]

 Well who’d you rather have?

Great defender who can guard 1, 2, and some 3s, who is an elite transition player, and a great passer, as well as a great competitor with leadership and good body language, but who struggles sometimes as a go-to guy in the halfcourt, 

or

Bad defender who isn’t much fun to play with, doesn’t have great intangibles or passing ability, but who is a reliable clutch shot maker and go-to scorer, with an insane handle

Really depends who you put around them but in a vacuum Wall is a better player IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Land of GrantParticipant]

 Well who’d you rather have?

Great defender who can guard 1, 2, and some 3s, who is an elite transition player, and a great passer, as well as a great competitor with leadership and good body language, but who struggles sometimes as a go-to guy in the halfcourt, 

or

Bad defender who isn’t much fun to play with, doesn’t have great intangibles or passing ability, but who is a reliable clutch shot maker and go-to scorer, with an insane handle

Really depends who you put around them but in a vacuum Wall is a better player IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

flopdownd the WOAT troll.

jus LOLOLOLOLOL

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

flopdownd the WOAT troll.

jus LOLOLOLOLOL

[kanuflengParticipant]

hey guys! lets just watch the game tomorrow Cleveland @ Washington! gonna be exciting to see this with both guys healthy!

[kanuflengParticipant]

hey guys! lets just watch the game tomorrow Cleveland @ Washington! gonna be exciting to see this with both guys healthy!

[EspressoParticipant]

 OH NO!!! BUMP!!!

This is what "when sh!t hits the fan means" bro.

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

 OH NO!!! BUMP!!!

This is what "when sh!t hits the fan means" bro.

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

 i gotta give credit to Wall though, for real, he has matured over the years in a way I didnt expect, and has worked on his shot to make it better than I ever thought it would be, I thought he would stay stuck with that Rondo range

[EspressoParticipant]

 i gotta give credit to Wall though, for real, he has matured over the years in a way I didnt expect, and has worked on his shot to make it better than I ever thought it would be, I thought he would stay stuck with that Rondo range

[EspressoParticipant]

 Another bump. This one is more clear now that Irving doesn’t play with LeBron. Wall is getting ran out of the team by his teammate,  Irving is arguably running MVP right now.

The amount of negs i caught by saying irving>wall prior to this thread is ridiculous… Thats why you shouldnt neg people for not agreeing with them.

 

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