Kyrie Irving or Ricky Rubio?

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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 7:21am #25853

immaletufinishbut
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Kyrie Irving or Ricky Rubio, who would you take and who has the higher ceiling?
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:20am #490424

Hitster
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I always thought that Rubio would be the equal or the better of John Wall as both were trading places at the top of numerous mocks going back a few years. So I’ll stick with him at the moment but no disrespect to Irving.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:20am #490473

Hitster
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I always thought that Rubio would be the equal or the better of John Wall as both were trading places at the top of numerous mocks going back a few years. So I’ll stick with him at the moment but no disrespect to Irving.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:57am #490438

lalaila
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Irving..it’s just my opinion but it’t not that close actually..and i am from Europe btw
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:57am #490487

lalaila
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Irving..it’s just my opinion but it’t not that close actually..and i am from Europe btw
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:57am #490440

andxxx
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Its Irving he shows way more potential to me than Rubio does
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:57am #490489

andxxx
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Its Irving he shows way more potential to me than Rubio does
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:51am #490517

Ghost01
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Irving…and its not even close.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:51am #490468

Ghost01
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Irving…and its not even close.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:56am #490520

BKKnicksfan
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To you people saying "NOT EVEN CLOSE" have you seen any of Rubio’s game since the World Championships? I have, he’s improved on defense and he’s a even better point guard. He’s gonna be good when he comes to the NBA.
Irving, I love his game as well.

I’m calling a draw
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 10:56am #490470

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To you people saying "NOT EVEN CLOSE" have you seen any of Rubio’s game since the World Championships? I have, he’s improved on defense and he’s a even better point guard. He’s gonna be good when he comes to the NBA.
Irving, I love his game as well.

I’m calling a draw
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:00am #490526

Afactor4
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I still think Rubio is a slightly more proven commodity, being that he is a professional in Europe and has been for quite some time. He also seems to do a decent job playing in a half court setting against favorably zone defenses at the highest level.
That being said, I’d still probably take Kyrie Irving, although him being out for the rest of the season would mean that he’d miss out on the higher exposure games against the bigger teams at the end of the college season.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:00am #490476

Afactor4
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I still think Rubio is a slightly more proven commodity, being that he is a professional in Europe and has been for quite some time. He also seems to do a decent job playing in a half court setting against favorably zone defenses at the highest level.
That being said, I’d still probably take Kyrie Irving, although him being out for the rest of the season would mean that he’d miss out on the higher exposure games against the bigger teams at the end of the college season.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:03am #490529

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have i seen his games? yes, and ive done much more than watching half a game on NBA tv and saying "that guy looked good"
First off, he hasnt even shown any interest in coming to america, so thats an immediate red flag. He is a REALLY REALLY REALLY good passer. But, the rest of his game is just way too incomplete.
Just look at his numbers in europe and defend him as an NBA player. He isnt even averaging 7 PPG, last year he averaged 4 assists PG and shot 37% from the field.This season, he is averaging 4 assists and shooting 31% from the field.
LOOK AT THOSE SHOOTING NUMBERS. If you are going to be that horrible of a scorer, you better be an elite passer and defender. He is not both.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:03am #490480

Ghost01
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have i seen his games? yes, and ive done much more than watching half a game on NBA tv and saying "that guy looked good"
First off, he hasnt even shown any interest in coming to america, so thats an immediate red flag. He is a REALLY REALLY REALLY good passer. But, the rest of his game is just way too incomplete.
Just look at his numbers in europe and defend him as an NBA player. He isnt even averaging 7 PPG, last year he averaged 4 assists PG and shot 37% from the field.This season, he is averaging 4 assists and shooting 31% from the field.
LOOK AT THOSE SHOOTING NUMBERS. If you are going to be that horrible of a scorer, you better be an elite passer and defender. He is not both.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:08am #490531

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No offense, but I’ve read a lot about Rubio. And if you think Rondo’s shooting woes are something to fear, Rubio is atrocious. And i have come to find out…HE’S REGRESSED! I was high on Rubio, and when I thought that he might end up on some team like the Kings I started to think he’s a perfect fit. Then I come to find out he doesn’t cut his own steak, he whines about not wanting to play for teams, and he’s been less than stellar since he’s been away from the T-wolves who could really use his help. But anyway back to his overall game.
I think he’ll be a tremendous passer, and an okay defender. But has nowhere near the potential Irving has. Athletically Irving has him beat, as for court vision, I can’t tell, Irving hasen’t played all that much. But what I can tell you is that Irving will be contributing faster than Rubio ever will. I’m sorry, I was high on the kid at one time or another as well. And I believe that while shooting is only one aspect of making a PG great, I have to admit you always want your PG to be a deep threat. It stretches the defense. Lol the funnything is. I’ve seen more potential from Irving in his short stint of games in college than I have Rubio in the last two years. Just saying…
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:08am #490482

Kayjay
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No offense, but I’ve read a lot about Rubio. And if you think Rondo’s shooting woes are something to fear, Rubio is atrocious. And i have come to find out…HE’S REGRESSED! I was high on Rubio, and when I thought that he might end up on some team like the Kings I started to think he’s a perfect fit. Then I come to find out he doesn’t cut his own steak, he whines about not wanting to play for teams, and he’s been less than stellar since he’s been away from the T-wolves who could really use his help. But anyway back to his overall game.
I think he’ll be a tremendous passer, and an okay defender. But has nowhere near the potential Irving has. Athletically Irving has him beat, as for court vision, I can’t tell, Irving hasen’t played all that much. But what I can tell you is that Irving will be contributing faster than Rubio ever will. I’m sorry, I was high on the kid at one time or another as well. And I believe that while shooting is only one aspect of making a PG great, I have to admit you always want your PG to be a deep threat. It stretches the defense. Lol the funnything is. I’ve seen more potential from Irving in his short stint of games in college than I have Rubio in the last two years. Just saying…
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:26am #490541

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Shooting wise, yes. He will be a issue. However, Rubio won’t be scoring alot in the NBA. He will be a J-Kidd type guy where he leads the team as a playmaker. I think once he gets a NBA shooting coach, he will be alright.

Can we remember he’s only 20?
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:26am #490492

BKKnicksfan
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Shooting wise, yes. He will be a issue. However, Rubio won’t be scoring alot in the NBA. He will be a J-Kidd type guy where he leads the team as a playmaker. I think once he gets a NBA shooting coach, he will be alright.

Can we remember he’s only 20?
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:32am #490496

McDunkin
To this day i say Rubio going pro so early and never playing with his own age group again hurt his confidence and development on offense
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 11:32am #490545

McDunkin
To this day i say Rubio going pro so early and never playing with his own age group again hurt his confidence and development on offense
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:11pm #490516

Stanford hoops1
Kinda hard to know which since one is playing in europe against pros and a different type game while the other played half a college season
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:11pm #490565

Stanford hoops1
Kinda hard to know which since one is playing in europe against pros and a different type game while the other played half a college season
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:12pm #490518

natedoggg
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Im going Rubio. The NBA will suit his style of play and allow him to showcase his talents.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:12pm #490567

natedoggg
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Im going Rubio. The NBA will suit his style of play and allow him to showcase his talents.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:20pm #490523

jaysmith1987
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I take irving all day he is the complete package he can dribble pass and shoot and rubio is more of just a passer. The way the nba is now its better to have that pg who can hit an open jumpshot as well as penetrate and kick i think he is gonna be a superstar.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:20pm #490573

jaysmith1987
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I take irving all day he is the complete package he can dribble pass and shoot and rubio is more of just a passer. The way the nba is now its better to have that pg who can hit an open jumpshot as well as penetrate and kick i think he is gonna be a superstar.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:49pm #490536

OhCanada-
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Kyrie Irving for 2 reasons.
-Shooting is very important in the NBA, whether we choose to recognise it or not. Rondo is a very lucky individual he has some amazing players around him, a great coach, and extremely decepve speed and agillity. He just knows how to penetrate amazing, and when you try to close out on him he kicks out for an assist on a jumpshot. Although If Rubio is able to score with floaters, spins, teardrops etc in the paint like Rondo he will be very successful. PGs need to hit that jumper or they will get played off alot and end up having a worse oppurtunity to penatrate.
-Kyrie has already shown he is able to dominate North American style basketball, although at a lower level dont foret he was many peoples front runner for National Player of the Year as a Freshman.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:49pm #490585

OhCanada-
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Kyrie Irving for 2 reasons.
-Shooting is very important in the NBA, whether we choose to recognise it or not. Rondo is a very lucky individual he has some amazing players around him, a great coach, and extremely decepve speed and agillity. He just knows how to penetrate amazing, and when you try to close out on him he kicks out for an assist on a jumpshot. Although If Rubio is able to score with floaters, spins, teardrops etc in the paint like Rondo he will be very successful. PGs need to hit that jumper or they will get played off alot and end up having a worse oppurtunity to penatrate.
-Kyrie has already shown he is able to dominate North American style basketball, although at a lower level dont foret he was many peoples front runner for National Player of the Year as a Freshman.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:58pm #490542

Stanford hoops1
There are actually a coupel of NBA PG that come in that can’t shoot well. Actually it seems that most point guards come in and aren’t that good at shooting. I dont think it will affect Rubio much because he is a very exceptional passer and will learn to become a better shooter as his career goes.
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- Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:18pm #490556
  
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  If i had a team that requires the PG to score due to lack of surrounding talent, i’d take Irving, if i had a talented team that had excellent scoring options and required a great distributor, i’d take rubio. So if i were the wolves and i had my choice of the 2 i’d take irving for sure. I see irvings celing being 18-20ppg 8-10ast 1.5stl 3-4reb, whereas i see rubios being 14-15ppg10-12ast 2+stl 2.5reb. Rubio would be perfect on teams like boston, the lakers, Spurs, GS, miami, atlanta, orlando, or dallas, and Irving better on every other team in the League…
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  If i had a team that requires the PG to score due to lack of surrounding talent, i’d take Irving, if i had a talented team that had excellent scoring options and required a great distributor, i’d take rubio. So if i were the wolves and i had my choice of the 2 i’d take irving for sure. I see irvings celing being 18-20ppg 8-10ast 1.5stl 3-4reb, whereas i see rubios being 14-15ppg10-12ast 2+stl 2.5reb. Rubio would be perfect on teams like boston, the lakers, Spurs, GS, miami, atlanta, orlando, or dallas, and Irving better on every other team in the League…
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 12:58pm #490590

Stanford hoops1
There are actually a coupel of NBA PG that come in that can’t shoot well. Actually it seems that most point guards come in and aren’t that good at shooting. I dont think it will affect Rubio much because he is a very exceptional passer and will learn to become a better shooter as his career goes.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:17pm #490554

Hale
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I’ll take Kyrie Irving everytime. He looks like he’ll be a very good pg in the pro’s to me. Rubio seems like he will be capable or solid but nothing special.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:17pm #490603

Hale
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I’ll take Kyrie Irving everytime. He looks like he’ll be a very good pg in the pro’s to me. Rubio seems like he will be capable or solid but nothing special.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:19pm #490560

4th dimension
In 10 college games, Kyrie has proven himself to be a safe/sure pick. SMH @ you people.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:19pm #490609

4th dimension
In 10 college games, Kyrie has proven himself to be a safe/sure pick. SMH @ you people.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:21pm #490562

BKKnicksfan
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In 10 college games, Kyrie has proven himself to be a safe/sure pick. SMH @ you people.

He didn’t play any good teams
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:21pm #490611

BKKnicksfan
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In 10 college games, Kyrie has proven himself to be a safe/sure pick. SMH @ you people.

He didn’t play any good teams
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:23pm #490564

4th dimension
Exactly.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:23pm #490613

4th dimension
Exactly.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:52pm #490577

Quickpostb
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I would pick Rubio because he is really cute. His floppy hair makes me want to do things to his body.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 1:52pm #490625

Quickpostb
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I would pick Rubio because he is really cute. His floppy hair makes me want to do things to his body.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 2:20pm #490584

Im Your Father
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"He didn’t play any good teams"
Granted, he DID play two top-five teams, it’s just that neither of those teams is now ranked.

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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 2:20pm #490633

Im Your Father
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"He didn’t play any good teams"
Granted, he DID play two top-five teams, it’s just that neither of those teams is now ranked.

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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 2:33pm #490589

BKKnicksfan
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Yea, top 5 at the beginning of the season. They aren’t as good as we thought. Those aren’t quality wins IMO.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 2:33pm #490637

BKKnicksfan
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Yea, top 5 at the beginning of the season. They aren’t as good as we thought. Those aren’t quality wins IMO.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 2:46pm #490594

JNixon
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He matched up against Jacob Pullen and Kalin Lucas though. Both of them are only OK NBA prospects, but Pullen is the same guy who has had some stellar performances on D on some highly regarded players (Jimmer Fredette and LaceDarius Dunn most recently).
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 2:46pm #490643

JNixon
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He matched up against Jacob Pullen and Kalin Lucas though. Both of them are only OK NBA prospects, but Pullen is the same guy who has had some stellar performances on D on some highly regarded players (Jimmer Fredette and LaceDarius Dunn most recently).
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 3:14pm #490608

GrizzNation
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irving cuz he’s black……jk
i havent seen much of rubio, but i love irving’s game
cat quick with great instincts
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 3:14pm #490657

GrizzNation
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irving cuz he’s black……jk
i havent seen much of rubio, but i love irving’s game
cat quick with great instincts
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 5:55pm #490764

Toronto16
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I’m going with Irving
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 5:55pm #490717

Toronto16
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I’m going with Irving
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 7:04pm #490790

SDE
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SMH @ yall Irving is special, its like damn how could he be that good. then the next game he do something else amazing.
i’m going out on a limb and saying that irving will be R.O.Y easy
All yall rubio lovers than hate rondo LAU
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 7:04pm #490743

SDE
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SMH @ yall Irving is special, its like damn how could he be that good. then the next game he do something else amazing.
i’m going out on a limb and saying that irving will be R.O.Y easy
All yall rubio lovers than hate rondo LAU
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 8:20pm #490767

kanebanger
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irving is the next cp3 imo i dont know wha rubio will be. i know one thing flynn is garbage anyone who thinksdifferent is kidding themselves. im from mn and i would take irving. i think he hasthe most potential of this draft
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 8:20pm #490814

kanebanger
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irving is the next cp3 imo i dont know wha rubio will be. i know one thing flynn is garbage anyone who thinksdifferent is kidding themselves. im from mn and i would take irving. i think he hasthe most potential of this draft
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:05pm #490775

Ghost01
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Hey stanford- im not talking about shooting 3s. Im talking about shooting 35% from the field. That is terrible no matter how you look at it. Only if you are a Jennings/Iverson volume scorer type who takes a bunch of hits is a sub 40 shooting percentage even vaguely acceptable. Not to mention he cant even put the ball in the hoop against soft euro defense, let alone NBA competition.
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Posted on: Mon, 02/14/2011 - 9:05pm #490822

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Hey stanford- im not talking about shooting 3s. Im talking about shooting 35% from the field. That is terrible no matter how you look at it. Only if you are a Jennings/Iverson volume scorer type who takes a bunch of hits is a sub 40 shooting percentage even vaguely acceptable. Not to mention he cant even put the ball in the hoop against soft euro defense, let alone NBA competition.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:31am #490805

Hitster
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Do people think that a PG should be a scorer or a pass first player?
I always think that 3 point range is important for a PG as if they have the ball in hand then it gives another immediate option apart from the pass and most top PG’s have a good 3 point range.
How Rubio will adapt to the NBA no-one yet knows and there was so much hype surrounding him before he was drafted that he has a lot to live up to. Also if there is a lockout next year and he did not come over until 2012 then like Splitter at the Spurs he may be able to negoiate a bigger salary than his draft position usually pays.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:31am #490852

Hitster
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Do people think that a PG should be a scorer or a pass first player?
I always think that 3 point range is important for a PG as if they have the ball in hand then it gives another immediate option apart from the pass and most top PG’s have a good 3 point range.
How Rubio will adapt to the NBA no-one yet knows and there was so much hype surrounding him before he was drafted that he has a lot to live up to. Also if there is a lockout next year and he did not come over until 2012 then like Splitter at the Spurs he may be able to negoiate a bigger salary than his draft position usually pays.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 8:29am #490883

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this one is pretty close…..I’ve been thinking lately about the overabuncance of all-star caliber PG’s there is going to be in the league in about 4 or 5 years…..its not crazy to think that about 2/3 of NBA teams will be able to go into a season with possible all-stars at the 1 spot….
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 8:29am #490930

midwestbbscout
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this one is pretty close…..I’ve been thinking lately about the overabuncance of all-star caliber PG’s there is going to be in the league in about 4 or 5 years…..its not crazy to think that about 2/3 of NBA teams will be able to go into a season with possible all-stars at the 1 spot….
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:20am #491366

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Irving. Rubio has an advantage in size and length, but Irving is a better penetrator and scorer.

I hope EuroBaller comes in here.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:20am #491407

Pureshooter
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Irving. Rubio has an advantage in size and length, but Irving is a better penetrator and scorer.

I hope EuroBaller comes in here.
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