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Kyle Singler

I'm curious to know everyone's opinion on Kyle Singler. Singler was highly-touted out of high school (consistently ranked in the top 5 of a VERY talented 07 class and the number one SF by numerous recruiting sites) -- and was heralded especially for his versatility. While he's exhibited some of this versatility at Duke, he hasn't been able to consistently display his excellent mid-range game -- probably his greatest asset (Aran compared him to Kiki Vandeweghe... famous for his "jab-step move"/ jump-shot...and said defenders might "play [Kyle] for the jump shot.") It seems at Duke (for whatever reason, whether it's their system or their lack of a true post) he either shoots threes or bangs inside. Duke's lack of a true 4/5 forced him to play inside much of last year. While his ability to rebound the ball and fare decently well inside despite effectively being out of position/ undersized is a great testament to his versatility; it wore him out by the end of the season.... and prohibited him from playing his natural position, a prototypical SF. Although this year he added necessary bulk and has been able to show-off his skill set more often (bringing the ball up court, driving/ creating, passing, etc.)... I still get the feeling he's being held back a little. He was praised for his ability to play all five positions out of high school, but I seems as though he's stuck playing the 3-5 (mostly 4) at Duke instead of the 2-4 (mostly 3) he probably envisioned himself playing (if I recall, he said he wanted to be like Luol Deng for Duke). While he lacks the quickness and handles (although, they are solid) to play an extensive amount at PG or SG, he has the basketball IQ and passing ability to play at least some point-forward (he was a lot more of a creator in high school). I'm sure Coach K is cognizant of his predicament inside and how it is limiting Kyle... as he has recruited several highly-rated PFs (The Plumlee Bros., Ryan Kelly, etc.). P.S. Who does Kyle remind everyone else of? I know he's garnered comparisons to Dirk, Adam Morrison, Dunleavy, Bird, etc.


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Pro Potential

I can't really see him developing into a perennial all-star, but I think his impact at the next level will be as a second or third fiddle on a great team who can be counted on in the clutch. The experience he's gaining playing in the post at Duke will develop into an asset at the next level, and his perimeter skills will not fade from playing down low. I think he compares very similarly to Detlef Schrempf and the role he played on those Sonics (RIP) teams in the early-mid 90s--not necessarily carrying the load, but doing the little things that turn really good teams into great teams. Nice Post, btw.

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Singler Comparisons

I think the Detlef comparison is definitely accurate -- particularly in terms of height, projected position, and skill-set. Although, Detlef was a far superior outside shooter and I can't realistically see Singler shooting in upper 40s in 3-point percentage like Detlef did in his prime. However, best case scenario, it's conceivable that Singler could put up numbers similar to Detlef's (something like 17-7-4). I can also respect the Dunleavy comparison some scouts make: McDonalds All-American's from Oregon who went to Duke, height, versatility, high basketball I.Q. Yet, they're not very comparable in terms of position. Dunleavy was more of a G/F (slash tall SG) than anything, who was oft-criticized for being too soft and never really demonstrated the ability to play in the post; whereas Singler has displayed the ability to play some post and is more of a true SF. Morrison was more of a scorer, but lacks the inside game and capability of filling up a stat sheet like Singler in terms of rebounds, assists, steals etc. And yet, when I watch high school videos of Singler -- especially the one in his profile -- I can’t but help see glimpses of Morrison. Morrison possessed same (unique) talent of scoring in such a wide-variety of ways and played with the same throw-back game/ goofy, looks-out-of-control grace.

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Kyle I've heard this song before Singler

Kyle Singler is a good player. But there is nothing great about him. There is not one "Single" aspect of "Singler's" game that is great. Yes he provides versatility. Yes he has a great basketball IQ. But haven't we seen this player before? I think someone named Michael Jordan drafted this player a couple of years back... I think 3rd overall??? Yes his name was Adam Morrison. The great Gonzaga prospect... The next Larry Bird... IQ off the chart. Everytime I heard the guys name I visioned the play when Larry Bird stole the out of bounds pass and hit the game winning shot....(Real basketball fans know what I am talking about) I think that Mr. Morrison's career has taken a different direction. The small fowards in todays NBA are athletic! Some also possess that great basketball IQ as well. People like Carmelo Anthony, Danny Granger, Lebron James. I would not take Singler over any of these players. Let's be honest, I don't see him developing into anything close to those players. Also in this years draft there are far more athletic and superior prospects like Earl Clark, Al Aminu and even Chase Budinger. All versatle and athletic threes and some maybe ca play the two. In todays NBA its about size and speed. Kyle has the hard part down and thats knowing the game. He has an IQ that is not usually seen in a player his, and even many above his age. With that said, I believe in Kyle Singler! I believe that he will be a great NBA player. All he has to do is keep in the weight room and become stronger. If he could learn how to bang down low a little bit he will be okay. Kyle be what we all thought Adam Morrison would be. So what you want get drafted as high as he did. Trust me if you earn it that second and maybe even third contract would be just as sweet. Just go out there and earn it. Take the critics just like myself as motivation. When its all said and done only you know your own limits. Kyle Singler has pro potential!

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Morrison vs. Singler

It seems any time a white (great-shooting, fundamentally sound, high basketball I.Q., etc.) wing prospect has success; the Larry Bird comparisons are almost inevitable. As I stated previously, I can see glimpses of Morrison's game in Singler's, but they are completely different in several aspects (their respective skills, positions, bodies, roles, etc.) Both are 6' 8", but Morrison was a lot lankier at < 200 lbs. while Singler is a solid 225-30. Again, as I mentioned before, Morrison (like Dunleavy) was more of a 3 who could play the 2 well, but didn't have the strength to play inside; on the contrary, Singler is a true 3 who's shown he's capable of scoring/rebounding/ (kind of) defending inside. Singler's defense is still developing and he will probably never be a great defender in the NBA due to his lack of foot speed, quickness and wingspan...but Morrison's defense was a lot more suspect. Singler, at least in high school, was highly recognized for his defensive abilities (he supposedly shut down a much quicker Jerryd Bayless during the USA Summit... could be wrong about the event) and has had at least decent success guarding the post...the same couldn’t be said for Morrison. Moreover, Morrison was a lot more of a natural scorer/creator and put up a ridiculous scoring average -- but a lot of that can be attributed Gonzaga's reliance on him. I doubt Coach K will ever ask Singler to put up 28 points a game, esp. with Duke’s supporting cast -- nor does a score-first mentality compliment his all-around game. Singler would be better served putting up stat-line along the lines of 19-8-5-2-1.5 (he’s not that far off now, and leads Duke in almost every category) while playing solid defense; as opposed to being the offensive juggernaut Morrison was -- but lacking solid defensive play and not having a particularly high rebound or assist average. Also, Morrison was a slightly better shooter and was more of a leader/ more vocal, but Singler appears to be a little more athletic (notably, he was an all-state QB and allegedly could’ve gone D-1). Morrison’s draft position was deceptive; that draft was one of weakest in recent memory, and the players who went in the lottery (sans Aldridge, Roy and Gay) haven’t had any significant success. Also, I think MJ reached to get him because of the hype surrounding him/ public sentiment that he would be big scorer immediately. In terms of Singler’s draft prospects, it would be more logical for him to go in 2010/11, considering how SF-heavy this draft is shaping up to be…. and I’m sure he’d acknowledge he still could stand to improve in a several areas.

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Other Players in the Morrison draft

I just would like to say that there were better prospects than Adam Morrison at pick number 3. You have LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy. I just don't see Kyle Singler, or for that matter, Adam Morrison ever becoming the players that these players have become and will become. I agree with you (TobiasFunke) when you say that he is more comparable to Mike D in Indiana. But he doesn't have that jump-shot. I also agree with you that he would be better suited to come out next year. He would then be the most NBA ready small foward in that draft. He just needs a little more seasoning.

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Confusion

I said he's garnered Dunleavy and Morrison comparisons -- and acknowledged that I can respect those comparisons -- but gave several examples of what distinguishes Kyle (weaker outside shooter, natural scorer... but better all-around/ inside play, defense, body, etc.)...and never said he compares more favorably with Dunleavy than Morrison. As I stated in my post, "MJ reached to get him" in a draft that "was one of weakest in recent memory" ...and in doing so, MJ passed up on more complete players (Roy and Gay...Aldridge was actually taken second). The point I was trying to make was (and maybe I didn't articulate it well enough) Morrison going so high was an anomaly because of the weakness of that draft and MJ's poor judgement --- and Kyle, if he were to be rated identically to Morrison, would go much lower (probably 9-15 depending on the strength of the draft and when he declares).

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Mike Miller

I've heard comparisons that he's like Mike Miller and I think they're the best so far. He's a very versatile player with a nice shooting stroke that could be a great complimentary player for alot of teams. He'll never be an All Star but more a glue guy that can alittle of everything. But his defence is a serious question mark and leaves a lot to be desired.

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i think it depends on what he wants to be.. No one knows what kind of player he actually wants to be. Does he want to play the 4 or 3? I think he'll be a stretching defense shooter at the 4. He's definitely not athletic & quick enough to play the 3 in my opinion. Duke players are so much harder to analyze because of the system. It seems to weaken skills more than define. Look at Josh McRoberts...

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Kyle Singler

The original poster states that Singler has a great mid-range game, but to tell you the truth, I haven't seen much of it. He seems like a less talented Tony Lavelli without the virtuousic accordion skill. You want to talk about a great mid-range player, we can talk about Bill Sharman. Now that was a real cager. He had the heart, he had the guts. Could make a 15 footer while falling over with two hands in his face. Once dived into his own bench for a ball at the end of a game against the Philadelphia Warriors and got second degree burns from Red's cigar. Still got up the next day and played against the Hawks. Now that's a basketball player. The problem is that these kids who play now feel so entitled, they won't sacrifice their interests for the team. All of them just want to get to the pros, get to that paycheck. The real players, guys like Tom Gola, and Dolph Schayes, they really loved the game, just wanted to play at a high level of competition. Bob Kurland played for the 66 Oilers for no pay. I hope Mr. Funke can tell me of a player who would do that these days, because I don't think one exists.

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Mr. Singer

Mr. Singer, whoever you are, I have not laughed so hard in a long time, and I read the whole thing in a Woody Allen accent. However, I don't see how any of your comments pertain to anything even closely related to Kyle Singler, but I, um, commend you for your efforts?

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Singler is just like josh mcroberts in my opinion and we all know where mcroberts went. UCONN versus Duke equals UCONN win. Im sick of all of the Duke publicity, its just cuz theyre all white. And have you ever noticed that it seems like all Duke players look like they have downsyndrome? (Shelden Williams, Jon Scheyer, Greg Paulus, Kyle Singler)

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