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Kyle Lowry...Top 5 pg

He's got the reigns and he's taking off. He has a endless motor, plays both ends well, and is too gritty for TV. I can't say enough about Lowry. He's fearless and will go head to head with anyone you can name. He's probably going to get a triple double tonight, and he's a TD threat every night. Wow he just hit a 30 footer, im watching now, yeah he's an All Star in my book, but fans probably won't give him the recognition being that he is still emerging and this season is short.

But yeah i've got him as a top 5 guard, bold maybe, but he's got game. I'll give him a month or so b4 I throw Elite out there. What do you guys think? Top 5?


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NO! Rose, Westbrook,

NO! Rose, Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Wall, five right off the top of my head that are lightyears ahead of him.

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wall ahead of him how?

this isn't a 40 yard dash, how is wall ahead of him?

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Lol this thread cant be

Lol this thread cant be serious.

Paul,Rondo,Rose,Westbrook,Nash,Felton,Kidd,Billups,Curry,Jennings,Wall etc....

I mean this may be his coming out party, but cmon man at least wait til midseason to post this! It hasnt even been 5 games yet. He may just be off to a great start. His career averages are 9 points 4 rebounds 3 assist lol for crying out loud, you jumped the gun wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to early my man.

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Jumped the gun...

If we are going for career accomplishments you could say Kidd Billups Nash but the reality is they aren't who they were and some young guns have passed them. I'm not sayin top 5 career stats, just top 5 as of today.

Premature, maybe but I'm just calling the winners as I see them, if you don't see Lowry now you will by midseason. I watched last year after Houston got rid of AB because Brooks balled out against LA in the postseason and I was wondering Y houston would just let him go.

From a PG's perspective it's ez to see Lowry has a better pg prescence/feel than a Jennings, Wall, and Curry. He is a pass first, getting his teammates EZ buckets and scores as the team needs him to. Curry Wall and Jennings are gunners who all look for their own before they pass.

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NO! Rose, Westbrook,

NO! Rose, Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Wall, five right off the top of my head that are lightyears ahead of him.

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Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose,

Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Ty Lawson, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Chauncey Billups, Deron Williams, Baron Davis, Russell Westbrook, Jameer Nelson, Jrue Holiday, Steve Nash, Raymond Felton, Tony Parker.

All those guys are at least on level par with Lowry, so no way in hell is he a top 5 PG.

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yea and boris diaw will

yea and boris diaw will average almost a triple double this season. lol. 5 games into the season and you ready to say he is top 5 pg. tell me, if you had a team starting right now and you couldn't take paul, rose, westbrook or d.will for pg. would you take lowry?

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Almost,,,

Lowry's coming out party was last year, this is nothing new you just slept on him last year. Once he got the starting gig he put up the same #'s as he is now. Can't say the same for Diaw.

No I would not take Westbrook over Lowry. I wan't the ball distributed around to my team evenly, not my pg taking shots away from my BEST player (durant). And No i don't want my pg pouting when he gets subbed out of games because he has trouble decision making. As the PG you are a leader whether you like it or not. Your demeanor rubs off on your team whether you are aware of it or not. Derek Fisher has been a Leader/winner everywhere he went, GS, UT, he was never the best player but his steady prescence and toughness was key in ALL the championship runs. A pg's role is beyond the numbers. KL has that same gritty, tough, winner aura about him. He is a great decision maker also and plays the game the right way.

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Rondo is top 4

Rondo (All Star, NBA Champ, All Defense) is the 4th best point guard in the league behind Paul, Rose, Williams.

Westbrook is 5th.

Wall is not in the top 5.

Lowry is putting up nice #'s. Lets see his team win a few playoffs games.

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I'm ok w/ your top 4

Rose Rondo Cp3 Dwill, no question are top 4. Westbrook is where we have a problem. Yes, they've won a few playoff games, but the key word there was "they've". Westbrook has arguably the best NBA player on his team so it's hard to say that HE has won playoff games. This actually reminds me of how KB24 got too much credit during the Lakers 3peat in the early 2000's. Yes Kobe is the man now, but he was NOT then. Same principles apply here w/ Westbrook.

You could argue that he was the reason OKC flammed out as they did, with so many questions on his ability to lead a team as the PG. What top 5 pg gets questioned about his decision making/passing? I can't think of one. Which pg is selfish? stumped again. Westbrook is a COMBO guard. why? his decision making is suspect and he looks for his offense before he looks to pass. Maynor isn't half the player Westbrook is but Scott Brooks trusts in him to make the right decisions. I agree that KL will be established as the top 5 if/when he wins playoff games, but why wait. Playoffs is where it really counts but then that means Curry cant have consideration either? ehh, i'm willing to step out and say top 5 or if not i'd leave the 5th spot open before i put Westbrook.

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No lol before his team wins a

No lol before his team wins a few playoff games we need to see if he can keep this up for a whole year.

Lol am I the only one that knows Lowrys careers averages are 9.9 PPG 4.5 APG 3.3RPG!!!!?

Thats not top 5,10,15,20 Thats a guy who is a solid backup. A Sebastian Telfair type.

I'm not saying Lowry isn't good but seriously you are calling him a top 5 PG after 2 GAMES!???? His numbers are really good, but 2 games man? C'mon SON.

Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, and other top guards havent even hit their stride yet, along with other 2nd tier guards, the season is just wayyyyyy to early to say that Lowry is a top 5 guard, to me he's not, hes not even a top 15 guard, he has ALOT to prove to even be called a top 15, let alone top 5!

Lol do you really know how good top 5 NBA PG is?

I mean for crying out loud Johnny Flynns career stats are the same as Lowrys.

Kidd and Nash have fallen off I agree with you there....But you still have.......

Rose,Paul,Jennings,Westbrook,Collison,Wall,Rondo,Curry,Felton,Miller, Parker man I can go on and on

Stats dont mean everything, but Lowrys career stats puts him into the same category as...Teague,Bassy,Lawson,Bayless etc....

Let him do this for a whole season, get to an allstar game, lead a team to the playoffs, not just off of 2 games bro thats all im saying.

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@YougDave you're career stats

@YougDave you're career stats argument is one of the worse I have ever heard. Careers have nothing to do with how a player is performing today especially when you take into consideration the different career arcs every player has upon entering the league based on circumstance, situation, potential, draft position, age, position, team needs, ect.

To put a player into categories based on career stats when they are just entering their prime is assinine. Telfair is nowhere near the calibur player Lowry is and neither is Teague or Bayless. Lawson is. What makes Lowry so different from a statistical standpoint of Teague, Bayless, and Telfair is you are failing to take into consideration stats like plus/minus ratio and pure point ratings. And not only that Lowry is one of the best defending PG's in the league and the other 3 are not even close to be decent defenders let alone elite defenders. Yes I said Kyle Lowry is one of the league's elite defensive PG's. That fact alone puts him above a number of players.

While I do not think Lowry is top 5 PG in the league he is certainly top 15 with the potential to climb into the top 10 if his shot keeps falling. Lowry came into the league after playing one season at Villanova and was super raw with loads of potential. Memphis drafted Conley 4th so they had to trade Lowry because he was making him look bad i practice. Lowry is no doubt better then Conley, Lowry is a better pure play maker and a better defender. It wasn't until last season that Lowry got a chance to start and have the reigns to a team and he's been golden ever since. Look for Lowry to have a huge year and solidify himself as one of the leagues best PG's under 30 on both sides of the ball. He just thoroughly outplayed Tony Parker tonight.

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Lowry is certainly playing

Lowry is certainly playing well, but theres no way you can justify him being a top 5 PG. Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook are clear cut above him, and the others i mentioned above are basically on or close to the same level. btw, Derrick Rose has had his decision making questioned a little bit over the years and he's probably the best PG in the league. And it's not a question over who you would rather take, and if you were starting a franchise most people would choose the undeniable talent of Westbrook. He's a starting quality PG for sure, but he's not quite near the top 5 category.

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BigD - Y Westbrook?

KL as a top 5 is a bold pick now, can't lie about that, but Westbrooks fg% keeps giving me reason to question and doubt all of the talent he does have. For example he might have 22pts 8 assists, but the 3 TO's and 30 fg % always kill me.

Look at Westbrooks fg% fior 2012 and then ask yourself, is that top 5? and if he was 3-10 fine! but he is like 5/15 which means he's taking more shots away from his team. I just don't know how you can arbitrarily Give Westbrook #5, what has he done to earn that spot, recently or previously?

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It's been 4 games this

It's been 4 games this season, Westbrook has struggled but look at his FG% last season 44% while scoring 22 points a game along with 8 assists. You can't downgrade a player because of a shooting slump for the most part, espcially when someone of Westbrook's talent is in question. Kyle Lowry only shot 42.5% last season, so is that top 5 worthy right there? Westbrook is also the 2nd option in his teams offense whether it's liked or not, he's depended on the score the basketball, and he's in the top 5 for PG's, there's nobody around that can knock him off despite his poor form of late.

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Westbrook - KL

Big D, you're right it's unfair to judge anyone in a slump. I don't mean to go off of fg% alone, because it doesn't tell the whole story.

Just mainly from a Leadership standpoint, in games, I feel KL is more stable than a Westbrook. This is why I have him up there. In the same way that Rondo doesn't need to score to put his imprint on games, I feel that KL has more of that than a Westbrook. It's the timely passes, spot on decisions, defensive intensity, and last but not least COOL demeanor that gives the team confidence to win that I see more in KL.

**If Westbrook isn't scoring, he tends to shut off mentally, which gets his team in trouble. KL just wants to win, and he plays the same whether he is 12-12 or 0-12. He will find ways to affect the game positively just like a Rondo.

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Big D nailed it. His 13-ppg,

Big D nailed it. His 13-ppg, 6.5-rpg, 11.5-apg, 2.5-spg, stat line would be alot better with an effiecient 17-ppg. That would definitely make him elite, possibly Top 5 it would be him or Rondo in my opinion if Lowry were a more efiiecient scorer. Until then he will be loved when his team wins and hated when they lose, if they lose they can just make an excuse and point to his shooting percentage. If they win he can shoot 40 percent from the field yet homers will say he is the best PG in the league. Sort of like Rondo, Westbrook, and Curry who are better players than Lowry. So is Nash, Rose, Williams, Paul. If he keeps up this play and Houston keeps winning he could make some heads spin but for now I would put him in the Top 10 for sure.

Scary thing is he improves every year. Memphis Grizzlies organization will be shaking their heads soon if they arent either because he is much better then Conley at this point. If he can become consistant and confident within his shot and scoring abillities the sky is the limit for Lowry.

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Yeah your right, he probably

Yeah your right, he probably is better from a leadership standpoint and decision making, i wouldn't go so much for a defensive view though, Westbrook would be one of the better defensive PG's in the league, having the ability to defend both the 1 and the 2 spots with no trouble, defensively Westbrook is very solid. Lowry is a an ever improving PG, but he isn't on Westbrook's level, he's shown he can carry a team when called upon, like when Durant went down with injury last season, i'm yet to see that on Lowry's part, Westbrook has shown he's clutch. That's the step Lowry is going to have to make to reach the top 5 pinnacle (if you look at your other top 5 PG's, they've shown the same thing, Rose, Rondo, Williams, Paul). And he's going to have to put his team in the playoffs, otherwise he's just going to be a stat stuffer with no results, similar to Kevin Love last season.

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Those of you that are placing

Those of you that are placing Lowry on the same level with mediocre PGs clearly have had limited exposure to Lowry in the past year. When reputation, TV appearances and stats from years ago are one’s primary arguments, it doesn’t say much.

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- - First of all, Lowry is a top-3 defender at his position. Hollinger rated him at number one, I believe. He’s strong, quick, and never gives up on a play. Many of the guys being compared to him in this thread are absolutely pathetic on that end of the floor.

- - Since Aaron Brooks’ departure in February, Lowry has been fantastic. He has averaged 18.2 ppg, 8.6 apg (only 2.5 topg) and 5.2 rpg. Once thought to be his biggest weakness, Lowry has become a quality shooter – and a clutch one as well.

- - There are very few PGs who do as many things well as Lowry does. He may not shoot like Curry or jump like Westbrook, but he doesn’t have a glaring weakness either. He does everything asked from him, on both ends of the floor.

- - He’s a leader and a gritty player who has been the best player on the Rockets for some time. Most people fail to see this and just assume he still “solid but nothing special”.

- - He’s not elite obviously, but to exclude him from the next batch (6-11 range) is just ignorant.

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Kyle Lowry

Just watched rockets lakers I tivo'd. First of all, smile. Secondly, Kobe knew Bynum wanted to get a 20-20 game and didnt pass him the ball the last 5 mins of the game, smh. Luckily Bynum is a beast and got offensive boards and a pass from barnes. Third, Lowry 22pts 10rbs 9asts! Stat line speaks for itself. Lastly, Lakers fans get Taco's. Thanks mike brown for keeping them under 100.

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this isn't a 40 yard dash,

this isn't a 40 yard dash, how is wall ahead of him?

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He’s a leader and a gritty

He’s a leader and a gritty player who has been the best player on the Rockets for some time. Most people fail to see this and just assume he still “solid but nothing special”.

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Yeah your right, he probably

Yeah your right, he probably is better from a leadership standpoint and decision making,

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Luckily Bynum is a beast and

Luckily Bynum is a beast and got offensive boards and a pass from barnes.

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Since its introduction four years ago, the Juice List has attempted to rank the most powerful people in New Jersey sports. But what about the power to inspire?

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Although it’s difficult to

Although it’s difficult to gauge this early which of these teams will come out on top for the final playoff spot in the West, there’s little doubt that this race will go down to the wire.

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I think they want to prove,

I think they want to prove, not only to the rest of the league, but to our team that they can play and they want to fit in. There are a lot of veteran guys, we have a good mix of young guys who are hungry and want to get better, but we also have some veteran guys that also want to win.”

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The 2012-2013 Celtics season

The 2012-2013 Celtics season is the first not to be powered by the Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen triumvirate since this whole crazy run kicked off. The new Big-3 era is over, and the Celtics have transitioned from a “Big 3” to a more complete team that will rely on significant contributions from more players as the two eldest statesmen, Garnett and Pierce, pare their minutes down in an effort to stay fresh and effective for eight grueling NBA months. And they are doing it behind a new leader.hggd

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His ascension to the role is

His ascension to the role is perhaps the biggest story line in Boston. Doc Rivers has said it. Danny Ainge has said it. So have Garnett and Pierce. Everyone in Green is making sure the world knows that Rajon Rondo is the leader of this team. [\o[0-

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His ascension to the role is

His ascension to the role is perhaps the biggest story line in Boston. Doc Rivers has said it. Danny Ainge has said it. So have Garnett and Pierce. Everyone in Green is making sure the world knows that Rajon Rondo is the leader of this team. 54654353

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The guys not named Rondo are

The guys not named Rondo are right about him stepping up in to a new role. He IS their leader. On the court, the ball is in his hands more than any other. He orchestrates offenses, often independent of Doc Rivers, who is content to let his point guard's CPU process everything he sees before him. And like Garry Kasparov flying through move after move in his head before placing a fingertip on a bishop, Rondo cycles through options at a dizzying mental pace before actually triggering the offense. 9-p90

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Rondo's eyes may as well be

Rondo's eyes may as well be motion-detecting cameras, picking up flinches, sideways glances, and missed assignments within milliseconds of them happening. And he has no qualms about letting anyone, from Kevin Garnett to Dionte Christmas, know that what's happening, when it will happen, or why they missed it. 'lk;'90890

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Rondo's eyes may as well be

Rondo's eyes may as well be motion-detecting cameras, picking up flinches, sideways glances, and missed assignments within milliseconds of them happening. And he has no qualms about letting anyone, from Kevin Garnett to Dionte Christmas, know that what's happening, when it will happen, or why they missed it. k'09

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