Kobe's first time without a superstar
we always hear the comparison between lebron and kobe and everyone compares the number of rings each has and etc. But is this the season where we change it up a bit and focus on Kobe's first season without a superstar. I say that this is the "first" season because people often discredit lebron's #1 cavs team when comparing it to kobe's lakers team that was the 8th seed one season due to kobe having no mediocre players at all. second, i would not count an old nash, injured and now "soft" pau nor an injured howard as superstars if you're wondering. so is this season the perfect time to compare how much better lebron can make a team compared to kobe and how does this comparison help lebron when you say who's better all time. take in that both pau and howard are still probably better than varejao and jamison....
Haha, I love how you just burned Dwight Howard. You get plus 1!!
Smh. Kobe is 34 years old dude. Even though he's playing out of his mind, he's still 34 and in his 17th year.
And why are you discounting the year Kobe was surrounded by weak players, other than Lamar Odom?
im discounting it only because people tend to argue for him that he was surrounded by weak players and that its not fair to compare lebron's cavs team to that lakers team...i dont agree with those ppl but for them to listen that lebron is better at leading his team, this comparison is better
2006-2007 Lakers had no other superstars, other than Lamar Odom, no players were even any good, before people say Bynum remember he couldn't get in the team ahead of Kwame at that time. When Kwame and Smush Parker start your team is bad.
Whenever me and a friend make this argument I always resort to just saying "what would happen if you traded them?" You think this Lakers team with Lebron would be a 9 seed? And do you think the Heat with Kobe would be a 1 seed and have a 16 game win streak? I personally say No to both, Lebron could take this Lakers team and make them great because he knows how to make everyone on the court involved. Just my two cents. Hell i think Lebron could be on the Bobcats and have them fighting for playoff spot (too much credit maybe?)
tlakers had a losing record between Shaq and Gasol.
this was a team that had Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, jimmy Jackson, Andrew Bynum, Arron Mckeie, Ronnie Turiaf, brian cook....
this team should have been good enough to make the playoffs
Kobes first year with no superstars was 04-05 they didn't make the playoffs. They traded shaq for Caron Butler and Lamar who were arguably better than any teamates lebron had in his first trip to the finals. Different players Lebron was the leader of his team for years and Kobe was still learning to lead his team. Both had some pretty terrible teams before they were contenders). Kobe had Lamar, Smush, Walton, Kwame, Bynum. Lebron had Donyell marshall, larry heughs, Big Z and Ira Newble (lol)... difference is Lakers put ariza/artest and pau gasol around Kobe and Cavs put corpses (big ben, shaq, Jaminson) around Lebron.. besides Mo williams the Cavs did a pretty terrible job of putting a winning team around him and it doesn't help having Mike Brown as their coach.
after further review please dis regard my previous post,
You guys are are right.
The Lakers Sucked.
forgive me for implying otherwise.
i think i have been mistaken...i agree with all your posts that kobe failed to lead his team to the playoffs...and that i believe lebron is way better at that but the problem is that ignorant lakers fans often discredit that argument solely due to the whole smush parker kwame crap...and thus i have to use this season as showing of that comparison. yes he's 34...peaked 3-4 years ago...but if you look at it...lebron 3-4 years ago when he led those cavs was not in his prime either. so its pretty even. rmbr that its basically a bell curve...so a few years after your prime and before are quite similar (obviously diff for some players but kobe's been able to keep himself in good shape)
The only non-centers ahead of Kobe and LeBron on the list of all-time greats are Jordan, Magic, and possibly
Larry Bird and Oscar Robertson. Right now Kobe is somewhere in the Top Ten. Compared to the Big O, Kobe has five titles
and two as THE MAN with Big O riding with Kareem for his only title.
Kobe is having a great year. best guard in history not named MJ, and could even pass Magic.
LeBron was the guy on 3 Finals teams. One title. His ceiling is up there with Jordan, Wilt, Russell,
and Magic in the Top Five.
I like Kareem but he never played the best centers in their prime. Either Wilt and those guys were too old or Kareem
was too old in the late Eighties.
I think Kobe and LeBron could both pass Kareem. I have Kareem in the next tier of the Top Ten with Bird, Shaq, and Tim Duncan.
I'm sorry, but no, Kobe is not better than Magic Johnson was. It really isn't even that close for me.
Magic and Bird was easily the best two players in the NBA for pretty much the entirety of their careers.
Kobe was the best player in the league for maybe 2 or 3 years at best. Basically every year of his career, you could easily make an argument that there was a better player out there.
Kobe is an all-time great; somewhere in the top 10-15 range, but Magic is easily top 5 all time. He and Abdul Jabbar are my #2 and #3 guys personally.
And for the record, I still say Tim Duncan is the best player of Kobe's era (unless you throw LeBron in with them, but I personally would put him in a newer era). Duncan = Best PF of all-time without a doubt in my mind.
What are u trying to say here? This isn't Kobe's first time playing without other great players. Do u remember Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown, etc... Kobe didn't have a superstar during the time when Shaq left and Pau hadn't come to LA. Dwight is still a star, he's just mentally fragile.
PS. I feel stupid even commenting on this post because it really didn't make any sense.