We all know that Kobe has been compared to MJ his whole career. Now he gets Ron Artest a SF does any1 see a parallel of Phil coaching the new MJ-Pippen in Kobe-Artest. I can see it, not as long a dynasty b/c the duo is older and Phil won't be around much longer, but I can see it. Thoughts?
I don't see it. I understand why you think that but there's something about those two that doesn't remind me of Jordan and Pippen.
I can respect that. I just thought about it and wanted to hear others.
I see and the thing is the Lakers has a better team around it then what Jordan and Pippen had but the thing is the Bulls bench always showed up. Jordon got on them hard if they did not bring it and so did Pippen. I think that was the main thing and the is what has helped Boston you have Vets that are still playing and playing well policing the younger players. Kobe Artest and Fisher will get the other Lakers players always ready. Artest just has that energy that raises the level of everyone on the floor. I know that Kobe will get better facing Artest a lot in practice and vice versa.
I hate that people make Jordan and Pippen so sacred. I can not wait til the next truth NBA dynasty happens so that people can back up with that BS. The will be very close to it when you look at offense and defense but unless they win 3 titles we all the comparison will not seem warranted because of what Jordon and Pippen did.
I think Artest will learn to have better shot selection and will take less shots, and he won't have to shoot 3's as much and ill-advised as he did in Houston. He will create mismatches (obviously) I mean who is going to guard Artest bc you have to guard Kobe, leaving Artest open. I just see Artest making Kobe scary good, Kobe has never had in his career a SF that is all-star caliber. I am excited to watch the Lakeshow this season.
isn't a crazy comparison, but Artest needs to become more efficient. Well...this is as close as it'll get for a while because Kobe is the closest thing to MJ believe it or not, McGrady had a chance...
it isnt a crazy comparison but its also not the same ...not that it matters since they dont have to be kobe and pippen seeing as they have a second team all nba player in paul gasol and a bench player with all star talent...odom and potnial allstar in the future in bynum..whew..my lakers are gonna wreak havoc on the rest of ya'lls teams..lol
but Josh Paul Gasol, c'mon!!!!!!!! LOL, jk. You know your &$#%#&@! so it's all good.
whoa hwoa..artest needs to become more efficiant..hes just as if not more ifficant then pippen..as i recall when jordan left the first time pippen would dissapear every so often not to mention the i want the last shot or im sitting down incident and when he went to the rockets he dipped badly.....
he was alright in portland though but I think Pippen was a better playmaker than Ron Artest and better offensive skills but Ron is so big that he can get by on just banging with some nice crossover moves
Just because they play the same position,doesn't mean nothing,Artest will be a good complement to Kobe Bean,but you guys lets not forget when the Lakers got Payton,and Malone and didn't win(only because Malone got injured)with Artest it could go either way very good,or very bad,when Rodman went to the Bulls MJ struck the fear of God in Rodman,can Kobe keep Artest in check?
The Comaprison To Kobe And Jordan Is Closer Than Ron Ron And Pippen...........Pippen Is A Great I Doubt Ron Artest Will be
Not jordan and pippen but it is going to make kobe so much better. This is the first time kobe has had a real all-star wing player on his team. He has had good big men in shaq and pau but neither of them took the other teams wing players away from kobe. All three of these players demand doubles at times but Artest will take away wing players who guard kobe not big men like shaq and pau do.
Don't be surprised if that locker room blows up 50 games in when Artest isn't getting the ball enough...Phil's a great ego stroker and all but he's really kind of a lame duck coach at this point since he has only committed to this season and I wouldn't be surprised if Ron doesn't listen to him. I don't think it works on or off the court.
why does he need to keep ron in check j christo?..ron was good in sac and in houston..im pretty sure he wont be a problem in laker land so dont worry also abth..ron was never a cancer or bad locker room guy..his only problem in the past was on the court techs ..sac houston and with indiana never a disruption in the locker room only prob was back with indiana while ago..loved by teammates ..only 4 techs last year....great organization in l.a just liek when sheed went to detoriot..except artest wasnt as bad years ago as sheed was..why do people keep bringing up the ron artest from years ago by the way?
no ones worried about him blowing up you non laker fans..i know ya'll hoep he does but im sorry not gonna happen..just take the a$$ whippings thats comming this season like a man
artest def not a pippen type... i mean look at whn he was in Sactown... he was focal point (ok kevin martin got his as well lol) n he couldnt do nehtin.. however pippenwhn jordan took off to play baseball did remarkably well as a player... PLUS ron artest does not have the vast array of skills like pippen did plus i believe pippen had a way greater bball acumen as well... i mean that man KNEW how to play... Artest displays pippen-like qualities rarely... in brief flashes..
so basically artest is not as good of a sidekick as pippen was
pippen was pretty good....the good thing about it is ron doesnt have to be as good as pippen since odom and paul is there..matter of fact all he has to be is as good as ariza was and that ron can be on his worst day
To be honest I wish we kept Ariza,if it ain't broke don't fix it
we tried..the lakers offered the same money that houston offered....arizas agent thought he could get more and thought ariza was worth more then what he was...after he decided to look elsewhere and ron said he would come and take a pay cut there nothing the lakers could do...i mean they could say no we rather wait on ariza but that would have been pretty dumb...lets not forget yes ariza had a good playoffs..but he wasnt that great during the regular season and the lakers system always makes players play better then they play in other places
They could have threw some more years on that &$#%#&@!
read the web sites.( hoopsworld,draftexpress, espn, and here).the lakers did what they were suppossed to do...it was arizas agent who messed everything up for him
I think he will fit in very well with the lakers. He will take pressure off of Kobe on both ends of the floor. Plus he is coming to a veteran team that has already had success. It's on him to fit in. He respects Kobe and Phil, and if he wants to win a title, then he will do whatever they ask of him. I have'nt been this excited entering a season since we got Payton and Malone. That team might have won the title if Malone had been able to play in the Finals. Just remembering Slava Medvedenko trying to cover RWallace still gives me nightmares.
I agree with Josh Huestis on this one, everyone come and take your whoppings like men.
MJ is better than Kobe on offense and defense who does Kobe ever guard anyway besides the worst offensive player on the other team.
Pippen is a better than Artest at guarding quicker guards, forwards and offensively he was much smarter.
Artest would get schooled by someone like Kobe meanwhile Pippen would hold his own.
Pippen and Artest are similar only in the fact that they are very good defensive small forwards, but their styles are very different. Pippen was a playmaker and, as NYK2010 said, could cover the quicker guards/forwards like Kobe. Artest on the other hand, while not being as good as Pippen out on the perimeter, is better inside. While he may have more trouble than Pippen covering the quicker guards, I think he would be better than Pippen at sliding over to PF and covering some of the smaller PFs or stronger SFs. I'd still take both of them on the All Defensive team, but choosing one over the other as a defender would be based on who is the player being guarded.
As for the MJ-Pippen comparison, I don't see it primarily because Artest is not the #2 guy on the Lakers. LA's 1-2 punch is Kobe-Gasol. On the MJ-Pippen teams, Artest does not compare with Pippen, but rather with the 3rd guy - Horace Grant during titles 1-3 and Dennis Rodman for titles 4-6. And while their games are different, he is more like Rodman as the team's resident enforcer/tough guy who looks out for the stars.
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Artest kinda remind me of Dennis Rodman with that attitude of his bringing to the team...not Scottie Pippen...