share

kobe, one of the greatest cheaters ever to play

llperez
llperez's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/13/2009
Posts: 11922
Points: 11794
Offline
nyk2010

I think the Lakers will lose Odom but keep Ariza. If the Lakers have a full season of getting Bynum back in rythim, Odom's loss will only really be felt if an injury occurs. I hope I'm wrong because Odom is one of my favorite players. Ariza, Brown and Farmar should all be improved. I don't see how you can already count the Lakers out.

As far as the Celtics being the true champs because KG is hurt, that's not the way it works. Injuries happen. If the Lakers had Bynum and Ariza last year, maybe that series goes differently. We don't know, that's why whoever wins the title is the legit champion, none of this hypothetical if so and so was healthy or whatever stuff.

NYK2010
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 2462
Points: 1498
Offline
Not counting the Lakers out

Not counting the Lakers out by if Orlando plays a little bit better down the stretch in game 2 and 4 this could be a different series. Out of all those guys I have the least faith in Bynum he's done very little in his career except a handful of great regular season games. The Odom loss is gonna be huge, I agree Ariza will most likely resign with them. No way Lakers get to 65 wins without Odom, you think Kobe, Gasol, Fisher, are going to improve they been in the league for a while now they have hit the ceiling. Not to say those 2 aren't great players. I don't see a team gift wrapping another player to the Lakers like Memphis did with Gasol.

Yeah i'm really wrong about the Knicks signing free agents in 2010, meanwhile every big name guy talks about it players are going to come to NY in 2010. From Nash, Kobe, Howard etc they all say big free agent guys will come to NY, last I checked its a pretty big market and the owner is willing to spend.

No more guys like Isiah, player like playing for D'antoni, I'm not in love with the system but it worked for Phoenix and the players seem to like it.

I still think the Celtics have the best team, Ariza wasn't this good last year look at this 3 pt %. Bynum always been overrated to me they act like he's Bill Russell. Lakers definately the champs I get the what ifs but just saying I like the Celtics as favorites next year.

NYK2010
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 2462
Points: 1498
Offline
once again a coach blows the game

What about Stan Van Gundy not telling his team to foul on the last possession in the 4th quarter. Fisher is dribbling up the court all you have to do is put your hand on him around the time he's on the half court. Take Howard out of the game and put in your best free throw shooters. Even if Fisher hits both, they have to foul the Magic after that you get another shot w/ the free throws most likely hit both w/ a good ft shooter up there. More importanly your deciding the game instead of giving the Lakers a shot to tie with a clean look at the 3. Fisher even said that he got a good look and was able to step into it, meanwhile Nelson is trying to avoid contact scared of getting called for a foul. Thats what happens when you play scared to lose instead of playing to win. Also they didn't get Lewis involved in the game might as well play Gortat then if Lewis isn't getting good shots. Not like Gortat hurt your team he can play D on Laker bigs and rebound too. Nelson plays the entire 4th quarter basically instead of Alston who is faster and had a better game. Coach Van Gundy blew it again.

Oh well even if the Magic lost this game its would've been tough for them to win the series.

sheltwon3
sheltwon3's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/30/2009
Posts: 6364
Points: 2607
Offline
Regardless of what people

Regardless of what people say about Kobe being a cheater he will be hoisting up a trophy this year number 4 and also Odom and Brown should be back. Odom does not want to leave LA and no one has enough money to take him away from LA. Ariza is a different story but I am sure they could get them all back but they may need to trade Vujacic to do it because he offers no help and Brown will get his minutes and the guy that LA drafts will take Farmar minutes. Everyone else should stay put because they are not that costly. Odom will get about 8 to 10 million and Ariza could see 5 to 7 million and Brown will get like 3 million so that is a max of about 20 million and the Lakers have great fans and make the playoffs so they can afford to go over a little bit.

Mr. Basketball
Mr. Basketball's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 1196
Points: 303
Offline
sarcasm on: hey tuck243:

sarcasm on: hey tuck243: since u know all the rules by heart, why don't u just become a referee? i mean ur so much better with basketball rules than those refs or any other fan right? sarcasm off

llperez
llperez's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/13/2009
Posts: 11922
Points: 11794
Offline
sheltwon

I hope the Lakers keep the team together. Odom has said he will take a pay cut to stay in LA. Problem is Bynum's contract kicks in next year and the Lakers are already over the expected cap for next season before they even try to resign anybody. So that 20 million or so, would actually be like 40 million or so due to the luxury tax. That's quite a bit, hopefully Buss eats the money in order to keep them together. And I don't see anybody trading for Vujacic the way he is playing.

sheltwon3
sheltwon3's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/30/2009
Posts: 6364
Points: 2607
Offline
You are maybe right but hey

You are maybe right but hey it would not hurt to try because you never know he can play good defense sometimes and maybe with more minutes he could be serviceable. A good trade brings out the best in some people. Look at Ariza the Lakers got him for nothing. People get mad at the Gasol trade but the Ariza trade was the real steal. They got rid a player they did not want who did not have an exspiring contract for Ariza. Orlando was dumb to make that deal because they didnt know what they had.

NYK2010
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 2462
Points: 1498
Offline
Gasol was the big trade look

Gasol was the big trade look at the Lakers in 05-07 no real big man. Ariza is a nice role player but w/out Gasol that team has lil chance to win it all. Bynum can't stay out of foul trouble and Odom not that much of a post up player really.

sheltwon3
sheltwon3's picture
Registered User
Joined: 03/30/2009
Posts: 6364
Points: 2607
Offline
NKY2010 I hear and I agree

NKY2010 I hear and I agree but I do hope Odom stays and the only teams that could pay him are not in places he likes.

llperez
llperez's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/13/2009
Posts: 11922
Points: 11794
Offline
Odom

I feel like a horrible Laker fan for suggesting this, but I think the Cavs should go after Odom. They desperately need help with their bigs and Odom is a very versatile player and great rebounder. Also, he can defend Lewis on the perimeter, something Verajao could'nt do. However, Odom has gauranteed that his next home will be near the beach no matter what, and I'm not sure how the beaches are in Ohio.

nthegoodlife
Registered User
Joined: 04/27/2009
Posts: 341
Points: 30
Offline
CRAZY...

Are you guys serious?

COMMON SENSE RULE 1
Never place head in/near area where elbow can potentially make contact (Nelson made two horrible decisions down the stretch, both involving Fisher.)

NYK2010
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 2462
Points: 1498
Offline
Why is Nelson playing.

Even Mark Jackson said it Alston should be in the game. Why is Nelson even in the game, Alston is playing better & can get to the basket. All Nelson is doing is falling down by the 3 pt line he made 2 plays in the 4th quarter but he's not ready to play down the stretch that much. I'm starting to see why Miami fired Van Gundy he's not great in a big spot.

By the way everyone pushes off, travels but not everyone is known to throw blatant elbows numerous times in key spots at the end of games, well maybe Karl Malone was. Stop comparing that to Howard elbowing Dalembert in Game 5 because he got suspended the next game. About .05% chance of Kobe gettin suspended for the next game.

tuck243
tuck243's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/31/2008
Posts: 1393
Points: -106
Offline
Clippers

EVERYONE, EVERYONE, I MEAN EVERYONE can be a better ref than half of those guys... You TOO... LOL... You might be the one person in America (other than Stern of course) thinks NBA refs are doing a good job...

RomanG
Registered User
Joined: 01/26/2009
Posts: 7
Points: 4
Offline
&$#%#&@! all of you

If someone on your team played "dirty" like Kobe you all waould defend him. Your just jealoous little &$#%#&@! because Kobe is the ultimate competitor and the Lakers are the best team in the league. This conversation will be over in a couple days when Kobe has his 4th ring.

Mr. Basketball
Mr. Basketball's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/04/2008
Posts: 1196
Points: 303
Offline
tuck: u have obviously

tuck: u have obviously never been a ref. i was and its really hard. its easy to miss calls. no one is going to be perfect. however, in the nba, some people get more respect then others: kobe and lebron. rookies and no names don't. i think the refs suck.

tuck243
tuck243's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/31/2008
Posts: 1393
Points: -106
Offline
I drown in basketball...

Everyone around me does too... My friends father is a ref for College ball... He's tells me the little things refs do... I'm so aware of it... What position each ref needs to be on the floor, how AFTER every game they are critique on how they perform... One rule each ref has is to be sure, never doubt yourself... Its obvious these refs second guess themselves... And its obvious they blow A LOT of calls... I'm not saying start calling everything a foul just call it both ways... And whenever one team shoots 0 free throws in one quarter, while the other team shoots 19, its a problem...

leeman
Registered User
Joined: 06/12/2009
Posts: 3
Points: 3
Offline
Nelson wus arriving just as

Nelson wus arriving just as kobe wus making a basketball play a pivot towards the 3 pt line and a pass no blatant elbow just a basketball play and no shame on nelson he wus just trying to get his team the win and took a hell of a shot in the process..... van gundy is an indiot and i say this a huge alston hater

d-grizzly
Registered User
Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 1479
Points: 837
Offline
wow

i can't believe how many people defended kobe's elbow. as in, nelson shouldn't have come in contact with his elbow. some of you are simply f*cking jokes with no respect to the game. but it's alright. i can't stop you from being retarded. i can't stop you from actually opening your eyes because you're on kobe's d*ck. sorry for the harsh words, but as a big basketball fan first, and a memphis grizzlies fan second, i'm very dissapointed in tonight and some of you.

Meditated States
Meditated States's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/29/2009
Posts: 2807
Points: 587
Offline
Yeah

Yeah Kobe throws them and I'm a Celtics fan but whateva, its a mans game. Mutombo and Karl Malone were known for sending cats to LALA land throughout their careers too.

MrWoLee
Registered User
Joined: 02/04/2009
Posts: 114
Points: 38
Offline
you know to be honest...

i love kobe, i try to model my game after him (like every kid). but he is a dirty player. and so is dwight howard, so is lebron james, so is dwyane wade, kevin garnett...EVERYBODY in the league is dirty i guess. i mean, there is pushing and shoving on every possession, just like there is holding on every play in football. the league is so protective now that they don't let them play through anything!

so please..let's stop with the "he's a dirty player, he's not" thing. because everybody is....

rvirsal
rvirsal's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/08/2009
Posts: 213
Points: 11
Offline
hmmm

tough = physical = dirty

teams are looking to get tougher this offseason as i've read from hoopsworld. celtics were the "toughest" team this season when they had kg. but hey, he's probably the "toughest" player in the league, and rondo's his heir apparent (just watch his plays against the bulls).

magic threw this game away. rashard choked. howard who was decent in his FTs the last couple of games, was terrible in game 4. jameer (who looked lost on defense the whole game) played very very poor D, he should've fouled D-Fish and didn't let him take that 3pt shot. they had a foul to give! poor decision on their part. magic lost this game not coz of kobe's elbow, but coz of poor basketball decisions. lots of lakers in foul trouble, was in penalty early in the 4th quarter! they didn't take advantage of that! quit whining on the physicality of the games. pietrus over-hand punched gasol while he was in the air in the dying seconds of the OT period, gasol was hit by pietrus on the face while driving for a lay up some time during the 2nd half... gasol was actually down for quite some time, dwight pushed gasol the same time he was being pushed by fisher from behind. &$#%#&@! happens both ways.

this rant is just lame...

ckowalski
Registered User
Joined: 06/11/2009
Posts: 404
Points: 89
Offline
its not about whose team you

its not about whose team you are a fan of or who is a dirty player, its about the fact that kobe's elbow was a foul, plain and simple. refs called that game very tight the whole first half and then really swallowed the whistle in the second half and let them play, especially in the third quarter. If you are going to call a tight game at least be consistent about it. yes i know the magic shot 19 free throws in the 4th to the lakers 0 and that is a pretty big difference but i think van gundy summed it up best after the lakers got back in it in the third quarter when he said they were "extremely physical and extremely aggressive while managing to not commit a single foul." that elbow was a turning point in the game and it was too big to be decided by a no call.

as for van gundy keeping nelson in during the 4th, alston lost you that halftime lead and nelson brought it back. you should reward players for hard work so i have no problem with that, however he should have got in fisher's face a lot quicker than he did. their defense broke down after kobe passed out of that double team.

xbadgerhustler
Registered User
Joined: 05/27/2009
Posts: 1960
Points: 680
Offline
upon further review...

At first I thought it was inadvertent- like Nelson came up on Kobe without him knowing and Kobe just tagged his chin in the midst of his move, but then on the replay i noticed that kobe DEFINITELY looked right at Nelson and knew he was there. then you saw him process the thought~ a little shift left~ nope, nothing there... i guess i'll pop this M*****F***** to get Fish an open shot....

I already hated kobe cuz of how much he whines, but that was just dirty. I don't think the Dwight elbow was dirty, but if it was anywhere near shoulder level he should be suspended to be consistent with the Dwight suspension earlier.

i'm so disappointed in the magic, they let that one slip away, Turk and Dwight missed FT after FT, Nelson didn't even set up his defense within 2 feet of the 3 point line against one of the better 3 point shooters in finals history.... thats just dumb. and then he looked around after the play like he was the victim or something.... damn. i really wanted the magic to win

IndianaBasketball
IndianaBasketball's picture
Registered User
Joined: 05/09/2009
Posts: 12682
Points: 23903
Offline
d-grizzly

I can't believe you're crying about an UNintentional elbow by Bryant. Nelson was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nothing malicious there. Point is... The Magic BLEW this game. They choked. The coaches & players choked.

- Instead of focusing on a UNintentional elbow by Bryant, let's focus on the INtentional flagrant foul by Pietrus against Gasol. THAT was CLEARLY a dirty play.

- The refs gave the Magic EVERY opportunity to win this game. The WHOLE Laker frontcourt was in foul trouble the 1st half because of bogus calls. Lol, I mean the Lakers were forced to play Mbenga & Powell! That should tell you how terrible it was... BUT they weathered the storm.

- The Magic led by 12 at half-time & were OUTSCORED 30-14 in the 3rd quarter!

- It literally SICKENED me how this game wasn't called fairly. The refs didn't call TWO major five second calls against the Magic. That's just unacceptable. They missed three second calls against Howard ALL game. They missed traveling calls against Howard. Howard pushing Gasol in the back goes uncalled, while Fisher gets called for pushing Howard in the back! The calls were one-sided!

- The Magic attempted 17 more free-throws than the Lakers! That's sickening. The refs gave them every opportunity to win.

- Even more sickening is that the Magic missed 15 free-throws! They choked! Howard shot 6-14... Choked. Turkoglu shot 8-13... Choked. They both missed CLUTCH free-throws when they counted! They had the game in their hands & threw it away.

- The Magic had 17 turnovers! & SVG says, "Finals experience doesn't mean anything"... LOL.

- Bryant shot 11-31 & the Magic STILL lost...

- SVG played Nelson over Alston AGAIN when Alston CLEARLY is playing better. SVG choked. Alston should've been on the floor. Nelson wasn't a threat to score.

- SVG deciding not to foul toward the end of regulation WHEN THEY WERE UP THREE... Lol he choked. Instead he decided to DOUBLE TEAM BRYANT FULL COURT... lol. Nelson, along w/ other Magic players, guarded a layup attempt instead of a three & Fisher sends it into OT... He choked. & SVG says, "Finals experience doesn't matter"... Lol.

- SVG couldn't even draw up a good play for Turkoglu at the end of regulation... Instead Pietrus gets the ball & shoots bad three pointer.... SVG choked. During the post game press conference Turkoglu took responsibility saying he didn't execute the play right. & SVG says, "Finals experience doesn't matter"... Lol.

- The Lakers wanted it more. The lose ball Fisher hit the floor for, the loose ball Gasol ran down, the offensive rebound Ariza got & BRYANT SNATCHING THE REBOUND FROM HOWARD... Just shows the Lakers wanted it more.

- "PRESSURE BURSTS PIPES OR MAKES DIAMONDS"... The Magic bursted... BUT SVG says, "Finals experience doesn't matter"... Lol.

- SVG was outcoached... AGAIN. He choked.

I could go on & on... Point is Orlando blew it. Own up to it & focus on taking the series back to LA by taking it one game at a time.

ckowalski
Registered User
Joined: 06/11/2009
Posts: 404
Points: 89
Offline
If were going to talk about

If were going to talk about finals experience shouldn't we mention how the lakers got destroyed by 40 in the finals last year? What an experience that must have been.

Sactownking9
Sactownking9's picture
Registered User
Joined: 06/10/2009
Posts: 6
Points: 2
Offline
d-grizzly
Registered User
Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 1479
Points: 837
Offline
sactownking9

wow. it's been awhile since i actually have seen it. but ya, careful man, alotta the dumba$$es here are gonna say bibby's face shouldn't have fouled kobe's elbow. heartbreakin aint it?

tuck243
tuck243's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/31/2008
Posts: 1393
Points: -106
Offline
O. My God...

Kobe is 6-6... Jameer Nelson is 5-10... Mike Bibby 6-1?... When you do something PLAYERS call squaring up or performing a TRIPLE THREAT... You move your elbows to create SPACE with the ball... You are taught that since you start basketball... The best triple threat is taking the ball from waist to chest and then SHOWING the ball above the head... Its to simulate a shot, that's why Kobe shot fakes are GREAT fakes... You can do the same while in the post... You are taught to keep the ball high so you don't get stripped down low... It just happened that Jameer was 8 in. shorter than Kobe and his face was the same height as Kobe's Triple Threat... Whenever someone swing their arms in a triple threat you back up, give them their space and get back in their chest... As a player, you HAVE to create space especially if someone is taking it away...

Mike Bibby... 6-1... HOLDING Kobe's hip... To get lose Kobe did a swim move and accedentially hit Bibby with it... Mike Bibby is 5 in. shorter... Same s hit... Take away a player's space and a player IS allowed to make space... Was it Kobe's fault the Kings were losing that game and Bibby took a shot and tryed to get a foul called?... NO ONE will bail you out on that... For starters I've never seen that play get called on the offensive player... WHEN have you?

When was the last time you seen a foul called on a player doing a triple threat? Not swinging their elbows, Doing a basketball move as in a triple threat? That's my point... And at the end of the day the Magic blew that game....

And for the guy that said it was one-sided calls in the 3rd qt. Huh? What game were you watching? The Magic blew a game that David Stern tried so hard to give to them and they blew it... Don't blame Kobe for this...

If you cry babies played basketball you would be considered a little b itch crying like this...

Stanford hoops
Registered User
Joined: 04/15/2009
Posts: 1541
Points: -76
Offline
wow really..have thes

wow really..have thes laker/kobe haters really resorted to crying?...theres no way ya'll would have liked the nba back in the day then when elbows were thrown constantly ..and yall must hate johnstocken since he was voted the most dirty player in the nba 3 years in a row by other nba players....dwight howard throws elbows ron aretest kenyon martian mutombo ..part of the game buddy so yall need to get over it..its a difference when he throw it because you tryna hurt someone and you throw it because youre trying to get position..stop the crying

ckowalski
Registered User
Joined: 06/11/2009
Posts: 404
Points: 89
Offline
Take away a player's space

Take away a player's space and a player IS allowed to make space...

If we went by this logic there would be no such thing as a charge either.
Kobe is allowed his space just as Nelson is allowed his. But its damn hard to give a shot fake with your back to the basket.

alphamale310
alphamale310's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 471
Points: 178
Offline
that elbow

that elbow was nothing...there was no call to be made...

llperez
llperez's picture
Registered User
Joined: 04/13/2009
Posts: 11922
Points: 11794
Offline
the elbow

Jalen Rose and Tim Legler both said it was not a foul. Jeff Van Gundy said it was. I have'nt heard any of the other so called "pro's" comment on it. Personally, I don't think you decide a game on an accidental elbow. But then again I'm a Laker fan, so I might be a little biased.

tuck243
tuck243's picture
Registered User
Joined: 12/31/2008
Posts: 1393
Points: -106
Offline
ckowalski

I commented on the post too... Look at that...

Same with a charge, You HAVE to allow a player to take a step or another case, come down... You have to give a player enough space to not foul... Am I the only one who played organized ball here?

You know what? you're right... The Magic didn't lose because of bad coaching, miss free throws, or stupid defense... They lost because Kobe elbowed Jameer Nelson in the face and gave Dwight a elbow after grabbing him... You right, my bad what was I thinking...

j1232e
Registered User
Joined: 05/26/2009
Posts: 1501
Points: 1144
Offline
I agree

Every superstar and even vet. "cheat" I call it respect and knowledge of the game. Most of them no when and when not you can get away with"cheating" I think it is not "cheating" it is smarts of the game.

RSS: Syndicate content