mk, back in 02 finals he elbowed doug christie and mike bibby on 2 seperate occasions and wasn't called a foul on either. in 2009, he elbows at dwight howard at the end of a play, misses howard, luckily. then he elbows nelson in in the chin, in overtime, no offensive foul or flagrant. kobe = one of the greatest cheaters to ever play the game.
howard got suspended one game for pretty much the same thing, this is the second time its happened this year in the playoffs on kobe, lets see if the NBA steps up and suspends him.
02 conference finals, sorry.
He was garbage down the stretch of this game too. Boy do I hate the f'in Lakers...
well what about dwight howard pushing and throwing elbows all night and not getting called...should he be suspended again also?
seriously, don't bother with "shoving" when it happend both ways. f*ckin scrub i cant believe you defended that
"If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'."
You cant call that elbow on Nelson though, Jameer should stayed home, Pietrus was forcing Kobe into bad shots 3 times in a row. I hate Fisher.
if you read the rule book it doesn't matter if its on purpose or not, a elbow above the shoulders is suppose to be a one game suspension.
theres a difference from shoving and throwing an elbow to a guys jaw. and the lakers were shoving just as much as he was.
d-grizzlies' pink orlando magic panties are in a bunch don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry
my most hated player in the league, the dirtiest player also.
Jazz fans got beef with Fish.
go post somewhere else. seriously, you gave up your credibility
By squirmydude at 2009-06-11
Laker haters blahblahblah Laker haters, that's all I hear. You guys are what make being a Laker fan so fun, keep it up.
It's the playoffs guys
butidonthavemoney that was funny,,but d-grizzly you can't make a case for either one of those elbows the one on jameer nelson, he was right under him when he turned out of the air for a past and dwight, hopefully we all played or play basketball and when someone grabs you like that you always start swinging your hardest trying to get a loose, and the first things that go is the elbows, he has done it in the past and got suspended for example phoenix and memphis but neither one of those were dirty, i just think you're an upset sore loser magic fan...get over it
and llperez22 that's what i'm talking about
as much as i hate the lakers and Kobe it was just as much of a dirty play by Howard as by Bryant.
If they had not made that ridiculous trade for gasol! That was such a bunch of S%#$! Buy they are the lakers and stern can't have his glorified lakers be terrible year after year and can't have Kobe stuck on such a terrible team. Oh well. Sad time for the NBA.
By squirmydude at 2009-06-11
Why do people hate the Lakers so but love the Bulls. Yall act like MJ did not get away with stuff. Also i am not going to defend Kobe but that play just like what happed Christie could have gone both ways.Nelson should never had put him self in the way of those elbows. Kobe made a move that is legal except that Nelson face was in the way. Your elbows are allowed space just like the rest of you in basketball and Kobe had his arms in the position before Nelson was elbow. It was pretty close though and when he made the pass it look like he just elbowed him but it was like this he made that move with little regard to Nelson face that should never have been there in the first place. The refs are not always stupid they know when a player is trying to get calls. the only reason for nelson to place he face in the are the Kobe had to move his hands was to try to get a foul called that was not defense how could he D up Kobe that way. It was a situation where he could go both ways and the refs was not gonna call something like that and have every player playing defense with their face to get a bail out call.
You crying about an elbow when its clear that Kobe didn't do it intentionally... And on top of that he flopped at a crucial time of the game... Get mad at Nelson for getting that close to someone where someone can't move his arms...
The Magic had 19 free throws to the Lakers "0" in the 4th qt and overtime... How does a team commit ONE foul for that long? You made a damn discussion about Kobe giving Jameer flopping a$$ an elbow and trying to get away from a man who grabbed him and you failed to realize how much of a one sided game this was... The Magic turned the ball over and MISSED free throws... Stop f ucking crying about some dumb s hit...
The same goes for the 02 conference finals... Don't get up in a players chest, as a former player, you continue to play the way you do like no one is there... Not intentional, just continue to do what you normally do... If you get caught my bad... Don't expect the refs to bail you out in the final seconds of the game with a foul... All of you grown a$$ men in here crying about these accedential elbows should be ashamed of yourselves... The Magic blew a game that clearly was given to them...
STOP F UCKING CRYING!!!!!
Also the ridiculous trade is not looking as stupid as it once was because Marc Gasol will be close to his brother in skill level and is bigger and also Memphis saved a lot of money. They are below the cap. You see a lot of teams now trying to do what they did. Denver made a move that looked stupid too but they almost made the Finals after making that move. It put them in a better position to take on a big contract because they gave up AI contract which is up for Billups which would have not be wise cap wise if Camby was still there. Grizzlies will be able to get some bargain free agents to their already young and talented core because they realize they were not getting better with Pau Gasol and was paying him all the money.
People used to hate the Bulls. Kobe will probably be a hero, once he retires and can't beat our favorite teams.
Jordan pushed off...
By squirmydude at 2009-06-11
jordans shove I presume.
I'm from LA & I cant stand Kobe...I think hes the dirtiest player in the league, not to mention a horrible teammate, but the whole city worships that piece of s**t...I thought I was the only one who thought like this, its nice 2 see im not alone!!!
the play of Marc has made the trade look a little less lopsided, but I would'nt say it was anywhere close to a good trade for Memphis. Gasol was still entering his prime and bigs with his offensive capability don't come around very often. The money they saved has not resulted in much. Just last summer they offered a big contract to Josh Smith and the hawks matched. Also, if they were committed to getting rid of Gasol, then they should have been able to get more then Marc, an expiring contract in Kwame, and some late picks that might not become anything. Crittenton is already out of town. They should have been able to get lottery picks or already proven young talent for Pau. Lakers won that in a landslide.
Memphis is hurting for MONEY!!! They knew they were a horrible team and realized Gasol wasn't a franchise player... So they traded away his contract and took on Kwame's with one year left on it... They maybe could have got a little more, but they got rid of a player that clearly gave up on them... Do you guys remember Gasol that year? Maybe, I'm the only one with League Pass...
I don't know how you can sit here and say that when kobe turns into instead of away from a double team and throws an elbow that it's not intentional. If that's not proof enough you can see on the reply he has to call fisher's name before he throws the pass because fisher is looking at nelson on the ground because he actually has some class unlike kobe. I hate the lakers as much as anyone but honestly the magic beat themselves that game. After they missed 15 free throws and had 20 turnovers they were lucky to still be in it. But that elbow did change all the momentum in the game.
And butidonthavemoney I don't think Jazz fans can be mad at Fisher since he went to L.A. because they had the best physicians to care for his daughter.
should have and could have got lamar, ariza, and picks. ariza was not as good b4. they said no to lamar bcuz he was not expiring. why not offer jaric back to them and then get kwame to make it work. they screwed up and will again this draft when they take thabeet over rubio.
Maybe they shouldn't be, but they are. I don't care for Fish but I'm not mad at him.
By squirmydude at 2009-06-11
Perez money wise that was good trade. It is the same kinds of trades that other GMs are trying to do as team or losing money. If you look at what Marc Gasol is making versus his brother and once they gain a young promising front court player they will have a solid line up and still be under the cap. They can then maybe add a superstar or a young promising player for cheap. Gasol could not carry that team on his on so they decided to destroy and rebuild. Look at how much they have to spend and also look at the talent they have. All they need to do now is grab a few solid young players and they will be set. The West is too deep to be over the cap and not make the playoffs. If you look at all the factors that was not that bad of a move. It looked worse than what it was when it was made I put it like that. You will see some worse moves this free agent period as people try to get under to get a go at Lebron Bosh or Wade. Memphis is already under. Honestly if they were in the East, they would be a lock to get a top star because they already have enough talent that with one superstar they would be no less than top 4 in the East.
daughter doctor is in ney york though! Last time I checked LA was farther away than slc.
Are you kidding me? Jordan was the KING of the jersey pulls, The steering of the hip, the shoving, the travelling, the push offs... And you get mad at Kobe for something players old and new does ALL THE TIME... Start calling those illlegal screens on Dwight and Rashard Lewis too... Dwight travels EVERYTIME he does a running hook... Or how about the 5 second calls that didn't get called on Orlando? It happened twice... You guys hate Kobe, so much... ITS FUNNY... He's like the Floyd Mayweather of basketball... Everyone hates him and bets against him, but some how he proves to hit that jaw EVERYTIME... LOL... The best in boxing and the best in basketball... Gotta hate them!!! LOL...
As far as the Kobe elbow, he was holding the ball high with his elbows out and was looking to make a pass as soon as he saw the double team coming. Nelson's face was just in the way. Should it have been called a foul, yes, but it was not dirty or intentional. Anyone who plays basketball has been elbowed in the face on accident at least once, it does'nt mean it was dirty or intentional.
As far as the Jazz fans booing Fish when he returned the next year, I thought that was bs and spoke pretty lowly of those fans. Fish was under contract for 22 million over the next 3 years with Utah and he signed for 15 million over 3 years with LA. He took a huge pay cut to see for the well being of his daughter. He busted his a.ss for them while he was in Utah. They boo'ed hime everytime he touched the ball that next season. Those fans have no class.
tuck243: r u kidding me? dwight gets called for moving screens all the time and they are always bs calls. 5 second calls? its 3 seconds first of all, and second of all, they got called for those a lot. what series have u been watching?
I hated him before he came to utah, I cheered for him playing for utah, now I am back to hating him since he is not on the team. I see nothing wrong with that.
Utah fans hate anyone who leaves the team. Except Malone. Was he booed? I don't remember.
If they take Thabeet over Rubio then yeah they will have screw up this year. Also no one knew how good Ariza was when that trade was made anyway. Remember Ariza got hurt and did not even play in the playoffs. They could have done better but you can say that about a lot of trades. They accomplished what they wanted. They got a young talented Big for a older talented big who people said was soft and could not carry a team. They also got a young promising point who they traded to Washington. All in all they came out pretty good they have a young talented team and they are under the cap and they did this in like a year when it takes some teams years to do. Player wise it was a somewhat bad trade but when you add the business side to it it is a good trade especially with the way the young Gasol has played. He is bigger and has skills like his brother to some degree. Kobe even said that they should have found a way to keep him because Marc Gasol is good and he will only get better.
There are always gonna be bad calls. They happen throughout the game for both teams. How about when they called fisher for pushing Howard on a rebound right after Howard stiff armed Gasol to the ground? I'm not complaining, just pointing out that they happen both ways.
and what the hell was with pietrus coming to help on gasol down low throughout the game and leaving kobe open? If he can make a shot damn near blind with battier's hand in his eyes what the f*ck do you think hes going to do with a wide open look?
D on fisher in the late 4th and overtime was weak. Stick tight on him fisher will freak out and throw an elbow!
He does it majority of the time!!! They call it this game? NO... What GAME were you watching? And taking the ball out of bounds is a limit of 5 seconds last time I checked.... And it was past 5 seconds... Twice...
how people aren't talking about how much the Magic choked... No one is talking about these miss free throws... But steadily talking about the elbow (that was a great NO call)... The MAGIC blew it... Don't blame Kobe for Hedo and D12 preformance... Kobe stepped to the line and hit all his free throws this game... I got on him for missing it last game and I'm a fan... No excuses for being tired, he is supposed to make them... So, do the same and accept the fact yall F ucked up...
tuck243: i said that they were terrible calls when they said it was a moving screen. they were not. moving screens are not common.
now onto the out bounds calls. they take time outs before the refs signal them. plus it was not even 5 seconds. did u count by 2s? 5 seconds is a long time to take to throw it in.
Enjoy this title because you won't be winning another one for a while. Odom or Ariza will leave they won't keep both most likely Odom is out because Ariza's defense and 3pt shooting is key. Already been talks of being way over the cap and luxury tax. There is a chance Kobe opts out & Lakers have to give him more money as well for a longer contract too, Kobe says he wants max pay the rest is the Lakers problem. Shannon Brown is probably be gone and their trying to sell their 1st round draft pick not sure they can becaz they traded last years away. The West Conf. is overrated but Denver will be better & maybe Houston gets lucky and is healthy for once they would definately beat the Lakers in the playoffs.
Still the real NBA champions are the Celtics they lost KG & Powe and still took it to Game 7 against Orlando. If healthy they have the best team esp. with Rondo, Perking improving.
By the way Kobe is a dirty player anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless, he's been suspended before but more importantly they won't call a foul on him when its so blatant.
howard is a terrible freethrow shooter if he would have made half of his misses in the 4th it would be 2-2 game 5 in orlando.
LMFAO!!! You got me on that one... Do you watch the NBA? LOL.. You crazy guy...
And the 5 second call... I did what BASKETBALL PLAYERS always do.... 1,000, 2,000, 3,000.............. I mean that's been the rule of thumb since................................................................................................................................................
I guess L.A. isn't going to get better as a team... Knick fans don't know s hit, but they'll be in the lottery next year... Continue to hope for 2010... Every year proves that anything can happen... You and these what ifs...