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Knicks vs. Celtics

I know it is a little late for a forum topic on this game, but the Celtics are really starting to run away. The Knicks have struggled big time on offense, with Carmelo and JR Smith really struggling.

This is a big opportunity for the Knicks to clinch at home. A loss here puts a lot of pressure on the Knicks. I think the Knicks still should definitely win the series, but it doesn't look like a rout. It is not easy to end a losing streak on the road.

Of course, the game isn't over yet, but they really need to step it up to win.

I think this game has shown why the Knicks are highly unlikely to upset the Heat. Their iso-heavy offense could really struggle against the Heat's aggressive defense.


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Knicks shoot

Too many threes. Way too many. You always have a shot. Its tougher to win in the playoffs only shooting threes. One cold streak and its trouble.

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I'm a long time Knicks fan

I'm a long time Knicks fan even though people don't believe me when they hear me talk about Carmelo. But I will continue to say this. Depending on Carmelo will get you know where very fast. Yes we are up in the series but he is shooting 18-59 (he started 5-7 in the first q tonight)in the 2 close out games and continues to throw up bad shots and only plays defence in spots while he only has 6 assists total in the series. I will always say he is not an elite player to me. Shooting every time u get the ball doesn't make you a great scorer IMO and while he is a good offensive player his inability to be efficient really takes away from the most games. And the fact that he doesn't make anyone better on the court doesn't help either.

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I think you are a little

I think you are a little harsh, but I do agree that the Knicks can't just rely on Carmelo. They need to move the ball more, especially given all the shooters they have on the court. I think it might be better if the Knicks were a little more creative in getting Carmelo the ball and really worked to give him opportunities closer to the hoop, even if that means using up more shot clock. And then Carmelo has to be willing to pass the ball. Carmelo just takes too many bad shots for a scorer of his caliber. He can make contested fade-aways shots, but they should be his ace-in-the-hole, not his go-to move.

That 6 assists number is pretty shocking. I looked that up to make sure you didn't mean to type "16" (which wouldn't be great either) because that is just really bad for for a player who has the ball in his hands so often and draws the help defense so frequently. You have to give some credit to the Celtics defense, which has really kept them in this series, but Carmelo is just not making the right plays out there all the time.

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Yes I'm am harsh but that's

Yes I'm am harsh but that's what you get when your the "star" of a big franchise. I've looked at his career playoff stats and the most disturbing thing aside from his terrible win loss record is his career shooting percentage in the playoffs is 41%. And almost all his stats are down in the playoffs. When will he be considered a playoff choke ? Lebron pretty much gave up one game in the playoffs and had a bad finals but people reacted to him as if he was the biggest choke artist. Carmelo has pretty much choked his whole career in the playoffs aside from one year in Denver. The greats step up in the playoffs and when they are having problems scoring they do other things defend rebound move the ball hustle. When Carmelo isn't having a good shooting game he just gets more isolation plays run for him. I've watched almost every knick game this year and I've always felt that Felton is the key to our team (hurt me to say that being a duke fan lol). He gets others involved and actually penetrates really well and for some reason every time he has our team playing they always just stop and hand melo the ball only to watch him take a bad shot or get a TO.

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Sorry to make another post

Sorry to make another post but I've had many conversations with friends of mine that are Carmelo fans and just felt that I could get some good inside about me hating on him lol.
IMO I've always felt that to be a great scorer you must be able to score a lot of different ways and do them efficiently. He does nothing efficiently. He's an ok 3 point shooter but that is more streaky then him being solid as evidence shows him shooting 4-22 from three in the last 4 games. His post game is good but he doesn't go to it much and he doesn't really have a variety of moves either. He just turns over his left shoulder and shoots the fadeaway or tries to bully his way inside and also he is usually a the top of the list for players who get their shots blocked

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There is a reason the Nuggets

There is a reason the Nuggets never got far in the playoffs with Carmelo, its not cause he isn't a great player or very talented but you can't rely on him to be consistent. You need somebody on the team to offset him when he goes cold and JR Smith is way too inconsistent to be that player.

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I agree. And what separates

I agree. And what separates him from some other star players is that when they go cold they find other ways to impact the game. He is a purer scorer but noone can stay hot for ever. Still an unbelievable offensive weapon.

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I feel that he actually isn't

I feel that he actually isn't a great player he's a good offensive player but not a great player I feel like he isn't compete enough and his effort is too inconsistent to be the leader of a championship team or a team that goes deep in the playoffs. That's y Denver went far when they had billiups because he was able to set an example of how things should be done

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