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Knicks total domination on offense soon?

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/walsh_knicks_will_have_pace_for_Jv...

That would be freaking fun to watch... Paul, Gallo, Melo, Anthony Randolph, and Amare would definitely be something to see.


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Yea Paul is coming just like

Yea Paul is coming just like lebron was coming

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damn, so now the knicks are

damn, so now the knicks are talking about wait till 2012, lol. I would be saying that too if i was walsh and i just waisted 2 years, multiple 1st rounders and lost my best player all for amare, felton and an unproven anthony randolph. Keep telling yoursleves wiat till next year kincks fans. Im sure Amare will have you winning a title any day now.

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I disagree

I disagree, llperez. I think the Knicks have done some nice things, and in just two years have made great progress. If Carmelo Anthony does want to come to New York and play for the Knicks, that would be a huge addition. Let's see whether he signs that extension or not. But even for this year, we have a lineup that looks something like this.

PG Felton, Douglas
SG Azubuike, Walker/(Chandler)
SF Gallinari, Chandler/(Walker)
PF Randolph, (Stoudemire/Chandler)
C Stoudemire, Turiaf

That's a terrific 9-man rotation, and we added defense with the David Lee trade. After that, we have the three draft picks, the Russian center if it's true, and maybe McGrady, Barron, Marcus Landry, others. The draft picks will have to work to make the roster.

How is Felton's defense? I think I've heard he's pretty good there.

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I disagree

I disagree, llperez. I think the Knicks have done some nice things, and in just two years have made great progress. If Carmelo Anthony does want to come to New York and play for the Knicks, that would be a huge addition. Let's see whether he signs that extension or not. But even for this year, we have a lineup that looks something like this.

PG Felton, Douglas
SG Azubuike, Walker/(Chandler)
SF Gallinari, Chandler/(Walker)
PF Randolph, (Stoudemire/Chandler)
C Stoudemire, Turiaf

That's a terrific 9-man rotation, and we added defense with the David Lee trade. After that, we have the three draft picks, the Russian center if it's true, and maybe McGrady, Barron, Marcus Landry, others. The draft picks will have to work to make the roster.

How is Felton's defense? I think I've heard he's pretty good there.

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They still have a good team

They still have a good team now. Some of yall do no understand flexibility. Also Melo and Paul want to come to play in New York. Lebron apparently would rather play with Bosh and Wade than come to New York. I told my homie who is a Knicks fan before Lebron said anything or free agent started that I would rather Knicks got young talent and waited for Melo and maybe add one max guys and let Walker, and Galo(Dirk 2.0), Chandler(who may be replaced by Randolph now), Douglas( he could be most improved player if he get minutes, and Jordan( a raw athletic big) develop. So far Knicks are doing exactly what I have planned cept I would rather another point gut hey they signed him to 2 years and he is not terrible. He is better than what hey have had and he put up decent numbers in a offense that was really slow so playing faster could get him in the 20 points and 9 assists. He is a good enough point guard to get Amare and others easy points.

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I don't know why people say

I don't know why people say Amar'e was a bad signing. People tend to discount everything Amar'e Stoudemire has done in his career because the entire time he played alongside future Hall of Fame point guard Steve Nash. But, did we ever stop to think that maybe Steve Nash benefited just as much from Stoudemire as he did from Nash? Maybe they made each other better.

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Says who? Melo said he'd love

Says who? Melo said he'd love to stay in Denver Cp3 never said he'd love to play there either. Yea the knicks are better this year but can we stop with the fantasy of every year thinking every star wants to be a knick. Good lord

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okay, i see its a back and

okay, i see its a back and forth with knicks fans about how this offeseason has went. But let me ask knicks fans this: Was the Jared Jeffries along with Jordan Hill a first round pick and the rockets choice to trade a first rounder with the knicks for TMac worth it?

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Stanford Hoops

I know, every time there is even the slightest rumor that a big name player might be moved in any situation, inevitably the first thing we hear is that the Knicks have him all but locked up.

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llperez22 on the Knicks

llperez, will you stop posting so many logical comments? - LOL

All kidding aside, anyone under the delusion that the Knicks will be a better team this year is just that, delusional.

1. NY lost a walking double double. Never underestimate the value of a guy who scores and rebounds every night.

2. Unless something unexpected happens in terms of a trade, the Knicks aren't going anywhere with an average PG.

3. Amare Stoudamire is a terrific player, but he still has to prove to me he can do it without those ridiculous set up passes from Steve Nash.

I'm confident Gallinari will have an outstanding year and I think Earl Barron will help, but I just don't see them doing much better.

As for Randolph and all of his potential, I keep asking myself why GS gave up on him so quickly.

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I know, every time there is

I know, every time there is even the slightest rumor that a big name player might be moved in any situation, inevitably the first thing we hear is that the Knicks have him all but locked up.

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that is so true.

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Exactly. No one has tried to

Exactly. No one has tried to force a trade there or tried to take less money to play there or tried to just accept the MLE. Players are asked if they would play there and they say yea, they say yea to just about every team if asked would they play there. They say they like the city and some people thunk that is a sure sign that the player wants to go there. yea lebron wanted to play wit ware and bosh but he did not wanna play for the knicks either way. Melo has said he wants to stay in ny and also had mentioned playing back home. Knicks fan..... Enjoy the team you have in place. They ate better then last year and be happy in the direction you're team is going

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Was watching nbatv and they

Was watching nbatv and they said when talking to Chris mullin about randoplh( he doesn't show the drive to get better. He's usually the first one to leave after practice and doesn't work hard to improve in the off season, it's like he's happy to live off the talent he already has)

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Mike Woodson said the same

Mike Woodson said the same things about Boris Diaw when he was in Atlanta, and Diaw went on to be the M.I.P. the next year. I think Randolph will be a very good player for the Knicks. He has weaknesses, and does seem to have somewhat of a guy who lacks work ethic, but I think this New York system will bring the best out of him. He's been productive every time he's been given an opportunity to play. I think he'll play the role Diaw did in 05-06, and I think he'll play that role well.

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i can see why they might have

i can see why they might have said that about diaw. HIs best season was his contract year. He then signed for 55 mill and has gotten worse each season since, so not sure if that is a good way to disprove a gm's analysis of a player who doesnt put in work.

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JNixon-Iggy9 on Randolph

JNixon-Iggy9, you made an interesting comparison for Randolph and you might be right. It's possible he could have a very good season in NY.

Nonetheless, why would GS give up on a high draft choice who is only 20 years old, turning 21 next week? If I were the coach of the Knicks, I would find that troubling. What does GS know? I just don't have a good feeling about Randolph.

At least with David Lee there was no question about potential. He is playing as well and better than anyone expected. I will say this again, the Knicks are going to miss him big time.

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He did get worse every year,

He did get worse every year, that's true. But what Anthony Randolph be a very important and productive player for the Knicks. He has more pure talent than Diaw does too, he's a much better scorer, shot-blocker and a slightly better rebounder. He should be even better than Diaw was in the same role.

@Rtbt

I think that Mullen found his work ethic troubling and was willing to part with him despite his upside. Now if that happens, it means he won't live up to his upside. Still, Randolph is a big talent who will be a great player for New York. Not the All-Star level player he could be, but still a great fit and player for them. He wasn't good for GSW, but he has new life and will be a better player for the Knicks.

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@jman159, I think it's odd

@jman159, I think it's odd that people say Amare isn't really that good it was all Nash but nobody said a word about Karl Malone just feeding off of John Stockton.

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JNixon-Iggy9 on Randolph

JNixon-Iggy9, I hope you're right and I'm wrong about Randolph.

You know who this little discussion reminds me of, Tyrus Thomas. It was obvious early on that despite his immense physical talent, Bulls management was not happy with Tyrus Thomas and his work ethic. So far they were proven right. Anyway, in the end JNixon-Iggy9, I would love to be wrong and admit it to you some time next year.

As for the the "I in win's" comment on Amare Stoudamire, I can't speak for anyone else but I truly admire Stoudamire and believe he's a terrific player. However, I want to see him reach that same level without Nash before I'm convinced.

I'm not saying Stoudamire won't be a great player in NY, he might be. On the other hand, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he doesn't live up to the hype.

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i can tell you this that

i can tell you this that amare isnt going to be as good as he was with the suns

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Guys like Gallo and Anthony

Guys like Gallo and Anthony Randolph barely have 2 years experience they were injured a lot so far in their careers. Knicks got some depth with Azubuike, Turiaf and why don't you see Gallo or Randolph getting better. Maybe Randolph had no desire to get better becaz he wasn't getting playing time or was on awful team. The Knicks will be better than the Warriors were easily, now they have a PG in Felton. If Mello doesn't sign an extension he would probably come to the Knicks but thats a big if. Paul isn't needed and I doubt they could afford him if they got Mello and have to pay their other guys like Gallo, and some other role players. I'm just thrilled they didn't max out Joe Johnson or trade away Curry and Chandler for Tony Parker. Knicks aren't the only team that struck out with Lebron the Cavs, Clips, Bulls, Nets also did. Yeah Walsh gambled with the Jordan Hill, Jeffries trade for Tmac. We'll see how good Jordan Hill turns out to be, I think the Knicks will do well enough to devalue those picks now they should be a playoff team I see them as a 7th seed rite now.

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Yea knicks weren't the only

Yea knicks weren't the only ones to strike out butthete fans seem to be realistic. Just like bron some knick fans thing it's a done deal melo comes there if he doesn't sign the extension but reality is that's just wishful thinking. Knicks. Have the same equal chance as other teams. They are not in the lead for melo or Paul but of course some fans just won't accept that. And it's not a good thing if Randolph didn't work hard because he didn't get time. That tells you right there how good he's not gonna be if that's what he did. Also gs knew he was hurt sometimes but obviously they didn't believe in him enough to still keep him. It's always a red flag when a team trades a young player that's suppossed to be very talented.

What's gonna be funny is how so many knick fans pump up the new additions just like Sergio and tmac just because they are now knicks but before becoming a knick they never said one word about the players

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NYK2010 on Gallinari

NYK2010, I'm not sure if you were addressing that Gallinari comment to me but I'll respond anyway. I think if D'Antoni ever decides to design plays for Gallo, and if the Knicks ever find a PG who can pass, he can become a star.

I still don't understand why D'Antoni didn't like Sergio, whom I thought energized their offense and was the best passing PG they had.

As for Randolph, GS was fully aware of his injuries, the fact that he's only 20 going on 21, his work ethic, and his strong/weak points. That tells me there was something else going on with the guy. They know Randolph better than anyone and they decided to give up on him.

But as I told JNixon-Iggy9, I hope I'm wrong about him.

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Got the 6th and 14th picks in

Got the 6th and 14th picks in the 08 draft now.
They do have a very good shot at Mello if he doesn't sign the extension.
Almost every big team with stars will be capped out Heat, Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, Magic, are all capped out. The Rockets once they sign Scola, Lowry, Yao and picks will be as well. Mostly the bottom teams have cap money outside of the Bucks, Knicks and potentially the Bulls. A lot of teams aren't willing to pay the luxury tax and the Knicks are one team that is. The Nets are also in play but the way this Russian owner spends they might not have much cap room by than, it seems he won't be.

Fans say a lot of thing Sergio and Tmac were just guys they got in trades Tmac was always hurt and not the same player, Sergio can't shoot the ball well.

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Thoses capped out teams will

Thoses capped out teams will do a sign and trade for melo so like I said other teams have the same chance or better. My lakers have a better chance then the knicks to do a nice lil sign and trade. So let's stick with being realistic instead of a fan. There's zero evidence stating anyone has a better chance them anyone else besides fans talking and players saying they would like this or that guy on there team. That's the reality

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just gets old that some

just gets old that some knicks fans always think they are in the lead for every superstar. 2 years ago it was lebron is a sure thing. Them Joe Johnson and bosh. Rudy gay. And just like Miami cleared up cap space for a super team other teams will do the same next summer. There truely isn't another unrealistic group of fans like sum of the knick fans on here. I wonder who's the next star who they think no wait know is going to the knicks if melo signs the extension which seems likely

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I am one who believes Melo is

I am one who believes Melo is leaving Denver things for the future aren't bright. Whether he comes to NY is something else, but I don't believe he will be wearing a Nuggets uniform in 2011-12. Way too far to predict that stuff for me, but I am all for him coming to NY if he so chooses to . I do think the Knicks will be a more attractive destination next offseason b/c I believe they have the roster to be a playoff team (7 or 8 seed). I see a starting lineup something like Felton-Azuibuke-Gallo-Stoudemire-Turiaf with Randolph, Chandler, and Douglas as the main 3 off the bench.

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I think other rosters will be

I think other rosters will be more attractive with sign and trade. After what happened in Miami you best believe this will happen again with meli

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