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Knicks? Really?

Sources: Knicks, Nuggets talk trade

Updated: November 13, 2013, 4:38 PM ET
The New York Knicks are investigating a potential Iman Shumpert-for-Kenneth Faried trade, according to sources close to the process.

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But sources told ESPN.com Wednesday that multiple teams interested in Shumpert have approached the Knicks, and said New York remains undecided about whether to trade its coveted perimeter defensive specialist.

The New York Daily News reported earlier Wednesday that Shumpert-for-Faried talks "have intensified," but added that no deal was imminent.

The Knicks clearly have a huge need on the front line after center Tyson Chandler suffered a fractured fibula. The defensive anchor will be sidelined for at least a month, and the Knicks, like many teams in the league, are known to be fans of Faried.

Yet it's believed that Denver is also seeking draft compensation, in addition to Shumpert, in exchange for Faried, who averaged 11.5 points and 9.2 rebounds in 2012-13, his second season as a pro. That could prove to be too high a price for the Knicks, who would prefer not to part with Shumpert but understand he is by far their most attractive trade asset.

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Let me preface this by saying that MANIMAL is one of my favorite players in the NBA. Shump also is very good, and already one of the better perimeter defenders in the L. I wonder...how does this make ANY sense for the Knicks? Faried, while he can board and hustle with the best of them, would make a team that already sucks on D even worse. Plus, they'd be trading away their only active player (Chandler's hurt) interested in playing D. I don't get how this makes sense for the Knicks.


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They are about to trade their

They are about to trade their best perimeter defender for a (currently) subpar post defender. Doesn't make much sense. Since Jason Kidd left, it seems his "ball-movement" influence on that team left alongside with him. Everyone's playing 1-on-1 and are showing no effort. This team is perhaps playing the most uninspired basketball in the entire league.

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If I were the Knicks, I do

If I were the Knicks, I do this trade in a heart beat. Faried is one of the best rebounders in the game. We would toughen their front line and make a formidable replacement for Chandler. When Chandler gets back, they'll completely control the glass. In the meanwhile, I'd be worried about the injury Shumpert had (same as Rose). You never know if he can stay healthy.

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If I were the Knicks, I do

If I were the Knicks, I do this trade in a heart beat. Faried is one of the best rebounders in the game. We would toughen their front line and make a formidable replacement for Chandler. When Chandler gets back, they'll completely control the glass. In the meanwhile, I'd be worried about the injury Shumpert had (same as Rose). You never know if he can stay healthy.

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I like the deal for the

I like the deal for the Knicks if they offered me Faried for Shumpert I would snap there hand off, Faried is one tough SOB and they need that with Chandler out

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This trade would make sense,

This trade would make sense, Faried would fit in nicely in NY.

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Why would this make sense for

Why would this make sense for the Nuggets? Isn't it funny that the Knicks essentially let David Lee walk to sign Amare, wonder if they wish they could take that one back.

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My take on Knicks

My take on Knicks.... First off, I am a big Knicks fan and have been for a long time now. I am not for getting rid of Shumpert. He hasnt been the same player since returning from injury, but his talent is def still there and he has time to improve. He's the most veratile offensive and defensive player they have, so I dont think its right to give up on him. THe Knicks are desperate and in panic mode.Getting Bargnani was the worst thing for this team. He has always been overrated and lacks intensity.They need intenisty and urgence. I'm not a fan of Ray Felton as the starting point guard. He over dribbles over penetrates and takes too many shots. And he cant guard!Pablo is too old, and just cant really keep up out there. He's OK for 8mins a game but there is no reason he should start. HE's not a scoring threat ands cant break anyone down off the dribble. Tyson Chandler seems to be loved by everyone, but to me he's just a decent player. He doesn't provide anything offensively forreal, and doesnt dominate defensively in my opinion. It's like he still lives off his rep from his title season in Dallas. I used to love Tyson but last year just turned me off from him.

Maybe the manimal can help. He'll definitely give this team a high energy and athletic dimension that they dont have currently. I just hate that Shump is the person they're selling.

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If I were a Knicks fan, I

If I were a Knicks fan, I would love this. Let me explain why.

The Knicks need rebounding after Chandler's injury, not only that but they also need a PF since Amar'e is done. Adding the Manimal would add tons of energy on both ends to a team that has lacked that for the last few years.

Not only that but with JR Smith coming back into the mix, Shumpert won't be averaging 30MPG anymore, he's going to drop right back down to his 20-22 MPG whereas Faried can play 30-34 MPG.

Also, when Chandler comes back, the Knicks will finally have their coveted PF and will have a very good 2-man combo downlow with rebounds, blocks, and defense. Exactly what the Knicks need to compliment Carmelo and JRs poor shots and misses.

Sure, the Knicks lose their best perimeter defender but perimeter defenders that come off the bench are not hard to find in free agency. (Hinrich, Marion, Sefolosha, Rush, Ariza are all F/A this offseason) Whereas finding a legit starting PF who plays with a tremendous motor is.

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Now my question is, why would

Now my question is, why would the Nuggets do this?

They are a stacked team and don't exactly need another wing. Especially because Fournier has shown flashes. When Gallinari and Chandler come back, this team will be loaded with wings.

Not only that but with McGee seemingly out for a while, trading away another big would just thin them out in their front-line. Sure, they would still have Arthur, Hickson, and Mozgov but without McGee or Faried, they'd be missing their energy and length that the Nuggets love.

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I thought Fournier might

I thought Fournier might develop into the Nuggets starting SG but they haven't given him many minutes...

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Good deal for both teams.

Good deal for both teams. The Nuggets have plenty of depth down low, even with McGee hurt, so Shumpert helps them more than Faried, and the Knicks are in a load of trouble if they don't find some big man to replace Chandler. And even when Chandler comes back, Faried will benefit the Knicks by keeping Bargnani off the court.

And to everyone complaining about Faried's defense, this trade will almost certainly improve the Knicks defense, at least during Chandler's absence. Shumpert is a phenomenal defender, but he isn't going to defend big men. The Knicks need a big man desperately in Chandler's absence, as Bargnani is useless on the boards and protecting the rim. The Knicks are in desperate need of a big man and not aquiring one would effectively signal a loss of faith in this season. Faried may not be a great defender, but he is better than who the Knicks have on their roster right now and will help the team's rebounding approach mediocrity.

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