i'm I the only one who thinks he could be a gamble in this year draft. I mean we only saw him in a couple games at this level how do we know he really is this good just because of what we saw in high school . The nba is different from HS alot lol.
Depends on what team, itd be crazy for the Raptors, Minny (oh no another PG), Detroit to pass on him
Because he was that good in the games he did play in college. Its possible that he could have gotten worst as the season went on but usually freshmen get better as they get used to college basketball. I dont think they will go by High school because he wasn't that great as a high schooler ( very good but not top 3 in the draft good)
Even in the small amount of games he played he still looked like a pro out there. I think its more likely he would of played consistent for the rest of the year and his numbers wouldve been something liike 18-4-6. I wouldnt think its a big gamble.
Teams that will pass up on him will regret it big time just like the Hawks did with passing up on Chris Paul.
if he didnt get hurt imo hes a sure fire no 1 pick in the draft the cavs who will have the best chance at the no 1 would love to have irving runnin the team
I wouldn't go as far as saying he'll be the next Chris Paul, but it's definitely a gamble as with any college player, or in this case, a freshman. This draft seems weak, so I think he should be taken high. Time will tell who pans out and who doesn't from this draft class.
he probably wont be as good as cp3 but you never know, i agree with the idea that at first sight this year's draft wont be as good so every team needing a pg atop the draft will be going after him but i will say that this year's draft is really forward dominant so this ups Irving's stock way up and teams needing a forward will be adding a good player even down towards 5-9 on the draft
This is a weak draft, so you might as well swing for the fences with your picks. If a team like Cleveland drafted him and he didn't work out, worst case scenario, they stay the worst team in the league.
Irving will be a very good PG for some NBA team. I think he's the only surefire All-Star in this class. He's really that good. He's similar to Chris Paul, even though he's not quite as quick. Very similar player, especially at the same stage.
That's a legimitate question. How high would Avery Bradley of went last year if he had gotten hurt in practice after his 16th game. Texas started off the season last year 16-0 and during that stretch Bradley was shooting lights out and averaging over 18 points a game before things started to go south.
Also look at Mike Conley was in a similar situation. He lead his team to a national title, had all the prerequite skills like leadership, ball handling, and great athleticism, and so far he has been the defintion of average in the NBA.
You can say Irving is a better shooter, but Selby looked like a dead eye shooter his first few games too. You never know if he would of game back down to earth so there is going to be some doubt there.
I think Irving is going to be a very good PG in the league. And would take a hard look at him with the first pick, and if my team needed a PG, then he might be the person I draft. But I'm not sold he's going to be a future superstar just yet, although I do like him a whole lot. I love his style of play.
Ask anyone Irving is way better as a freshman than Paul was Paul had to stay 3 years to become great. Also, all those sick moves Paul does in the games he didn't really have in college. Irving has proven he is a shooter both in HS and in college and will be a star in the NBA.
Irving is MUCH more of a PG than Selby and Bradley, and he's more polished as an overall player than both, so I'm not sure why they were brought up. I said all last year that Avery Bradley is no different a prospect than Patrick Beverley was at Arkansas, and got killed for it. Selby has to learn his way and learn to play more of a team oriented game. He's not been as touted because he needs the ball, even though he's not a guy who want playing PG. Irving is different than both of those guys.
Irving stepped into a situation where his team won the national title, and 2 of the better players from that core returned. He stepped up in Scheyer's spot in a way that made many forget who Duke's PG was last year, even though Scheyer was the ACC POY 1st runner-up. Irving stepping up from Day 1 and being probably the best PG in the nation before his injury, and he didn't play more than 15 games I don't think so he was elite in a short amount of time speaks to how good he'll be. Mike Conley Jr was given the reigns at OSU early, but he was never as dominant AS EARLY as Irving was. Conley really became a 1-and-done prospect during OSU's tourny run. He wasn't and mostly still isn't as aggressive as Irving was pre-injury, and that makes a difference in his prospects. I think Irving will be very good, and he has no chance of failing unless he's (God forbid) hit with some Greg Oden-like injuries.
i don't love the Chris Paul comparison, it's too much exaggeration, Irving doesn't have Paul level of genius and control of style in the game, more suitable to compare him to a more athletic Tony Parker!
I wouldn't say he's on Paul's level yet, but Irving's style of play is much more like Paul's than Parkers.
Note: Paul came out as a sophomore.
Stat-wise in their freshman years, Irving has a very slight advantage. Still, he hasn't completely proven he is the same caliber of player that Paul was his freshman year due to the injury.
He's easily the best prospect in this draft, but he's by no means a sure-fire future superstar.
Don't forget that Chris Paul when he was drafted was not the CP3 All Star we see today, redoing the 2005 draft him and D-Will would be 1 and 2.
If you didn't have the one year removed rule then Irving could have jumped to the NBA straight from HS so a judgement about his upside and draft value would have needed to have been made then.
Mike Conley has improved his stats each year and is now the starting PG on a team above .500. He may not have reached the upside hoped of him but has become a very solid NBA starting PG rather like Ray Felton during his Charlotte days.
Irving would be good for Cleveland but if they took him, I could see them possibly having to move Sessions as Baron Davis would be hard to move until his contract became expiring in 2012/13 and with 3 PG's there then playing time would be hard to share out. Irving learning from Davis for a year or two would be the ideal scenario or even playing around Sessions but 3 good PG's might not make much sense on the roster.
Cleveland's obvious weaknesses are at SG and SF long term but being 12-50 they may decide to draft BPA but with two lottery picks then Chris Grant can take players in two positions and maybe takes on more long term prospect and one more NBA ready guy.
JNixon I agree with what you said I just brought up Bradley as somebody one recruiting service had ranked as the number one prospect in the nation (I think ESPN) and he got off to a hot start and had he got hurt teams would of never knew what type of erratic shooter he is and would of thought what they saw, that he was a great shooter, lead his team to an undefeated record, and at the time was one if not the best on ball defending guard in the whole nation. Bradley is not the pure PG Irving is, but Bradley is a better defender hence why the Celtics drafted him. And especially in last year's weak draft had he did get hurt after that 16th game there is no doubt a team like the Pacers would of drafted him 10th. Even a team like the Kings would of been looking at him at 5.
And Conley went 4th in that draft because mostly everybody thought he was the next Chris Paul, sound familiar? I kno you remember the Paul comparisons, and you're right he did not dominate the production but he didn't have too on that team. As we all saw against UNC, Duke outside of Nolan Smith doesn't really have anybody who can be relied upon to score.
And I wish Selby would stay another year but he's not he's entering the draft. Selby, Thomas Robinson, and the Morris twins are all entering the draft from Kansas, that's word from Marcus Morris.
And Chris Paul was a way better prospect then Irving. I thought he should of went first that year. I also didn't think Deron Williams deserved to be drafted ahead of him and didn't think he was going to come close to Paul as a PG in the league, boy was I wrong.
But Paul as a freshman averaged 14.8 points, 5.9 assists, and 2.7 steals. He shot 49.6% FG, 46.5 3PT, 84.3 FT. In other words Paul put up the same kind of production for a whole year and never lost his hot shooting stroke. Nolan Smith was going to break out regardless and Irving numbers would of came back down to earth to around 15 PPG, and his shooting might of leveled out too. So anybody who thinks Irving had a better freshman campain then Paul is out of their mind. Also Paul is a much pure passer, and made them incredible plays that made you know he was special. Irving was great, amazing efficient, but didn't get a chance to have any real moments like that.
And Paul was a sophomore when he came out get it right.