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Kings need to dump salary

would either of these deals work for both teams
salmons- garcia- hayes- outlaw and kings 1st round pick for bynum and d. wright

salmons- garcia- hayes- outlaw , Thornton and kings 1st round pick
for gasol, peace, and blake


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your actually serious?

your actually serious?

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I am very serious

especially about the sixers think about it bynum is a free agent who hasn't played all year, If I were the kings id let him go and use the money to sign a top free agent. their not even sure if he will play this year so they get a top 5 pick in the draft for taking bad contracts.

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bad contracts for a bad trade

only the sixers come out on top because of a top 5 pick. id rather have my choice of available free agents then the draft this year.

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They need a veteran leader

They need a veteran leader but the knicks have about all of them. They don't play the right way, enough defense to not get yelled at and good enough shots to not get pulled from the game.

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Hmmmm...

First, I agree. The Kings have a number of bad contracts. They have several low level rotation-type players getting paid $5M+ with 3 more years on their contracts. That's really bad news. Unfortunately, it's so bad no one else wants those contracts either, making those players untradeable unless packaged with something of value. To make a deal happen they'd likely have to give up a valuable asset to make the salary dump.

Second, your trade options have no chance of happening. In each scenario you've presented, the Kings get a top-5 big by simply unloading 4 bad contracts and giving up a first round pick. No one would go for that. A more realistic approach would be to package Jimmer or Thomas with Garcia or Salmons and trade them for an expiring contract. A team believing in Jimmer or Thomas might be willing to absorb the bad contract to keep Jimmer/Thomas. Another option would be to go bigger and package multiple bad contracts in a deal that basically gives away Tyreke. Since Tyreke has a more trade value, they could probably get something of value in return while unloading multiple bad contracts.

When you sign players to bad contracts, there are usually no take backs. No one else wants the contract either. The Kings haven't made any Boozer/Amare level blunders in this regard, but they've racked up something equivalent in 4-5 overpaid rotation players that combine for over $25M/year in salary--and they're locked into most of those deals for three more years.

One positive note for Kings fans: Jimmer was widely considered a major bust after his rookie season. Now, in his second year, he's ranked #4 in the NBA in points per minute and has a 20.4 PER, which is highly impressive considering expectations. It's also the highest PER on the Kings roster right now. If the Kings believe in him, they should figure out what they want from him. If they regret the pick, this would be a great moment to sell high.

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terrible idea

The problem with this is that even with a salary dump the Kings have never been able to draw a big name free agent, and right now they are generally thought of as one of the worst run organizations in the NBA, why would an agent let their client even think about signing in Sac.

Also, if you are trying to get a large contract just to let them walk to free up cap space, you do not have to go after higher profile guys like Bynum and Gasol.

What the Kings actually need to do is to use some of their young players to trade in packages and consolidate talent.

Something like offering the Pacers Thornton, Garcia's expiring contract, and other pieces to try and pry away Granger. Or something similar with another team.

But I can tell you this, nothing will make a difference until the Maloofs sell the team. They are not willing to spend money beyond getting between the league minimum payroll and the soft cap. You will never get very far when there are teams who have three players getting paid more than your entire team.

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Generally, I agree.

However, Granger by himself is not what this team needs. Granger is a good leader, but he is too much of a volume shooter, something the Kings have in spades. And I don't think his leadership style would impact a team that features Cousins as the dominant personality.

As others have pointed out, the Kings need a leader. The problem, as I see it, is that they already have one in Cousins. The problem is that Cousins is the worst kind of leader. His personality is so big and his talent so undeniable that people follow him. Unfortunately, he has a bad attitude much of the time, which does not promote a winning. Additionally, though he's averaging 16/10 this season, he's still a very inefficient player. This year he's taking more than 15 shots per game and shooting just 42%, which is terrible for a big that's seen the kind of floor time he's seen.

In addition to getting rid of the Maloofs, I think Sacramento should be bold and trade Cousins. He has huge trade value and I'm confident they could get equal value in return while improving their team's overall attitude and chemistry. One highly unlikely trade that may yield the chemistry/leadership/talent you're looking for could be Granger/Hibbert for Cousins/Salmon/Thorton/Garcia. This particular trade won't happen, but it's not a ridiculous idea and I think the Kings should shop Cousins in an effort to secure leadership and efficient talent.

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Sacramento already gave up its protected top 14 pick this

year to the Cavs. There is a rule that says you can't give up consecutive 1rst round picks. Philly does lose there 1rst rounder to Miami this year so they probably want one but that way to much long term debt to take on. All the guys in Sac trade have 3 year deals except for Garcia who has 2 years. That's a ridiculous amount of length and guaranteed salary to absorb.
Same is true for the Lakers deal, besides being a bad idea anyway it kills future cap space that the Lakers are said to covet.

All in all, C'mon Son

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Just to help clarify for

Just to help clarify for people, both Garcia and Salmons have team options on their last year in their contract, meaning (most likely) that Garcia's runs out after this season and Salmons after next season.

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They'll both opt in.

It's a near certainty that neither player will score more than their current deal on the open market. Salmons and Garcia are both $3-5M/year players that are currently being paid $8M and $6M/year respectively. If they hit the open market the likely offers will be 3 year deals in the $10-12M range.

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They have team options not

They have team options not player options, meaning the team can decide not to keep them around for those years, so they will mostly likely not be kept on their current overpaid contracts.

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Ah...

Yes, that makes a big difference and you're exactly right. That really improves the Kings' position. Sorry about my mistake there.

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The Kings closed played much

The Kings closed played much of the 4th quarter in the Orlando win, last night with Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, Chuck Hayes, Marcus Thornton and Isaiah Thomas. They brought Cousins in at the end to close it out, but I think that is a sign that they are going to mix things up. Of course your going to go with the squad that is working well, but I think Sacramento is going to deal Jason Thompson by the deadline as they continue to bring Robinson along slowly. I'd bet Salmons will be included in that deal, as well.

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Jimmer has improved.

I'll be the first to admit that. I would actually like to see him paired with Evans considering he's a more consistent shooter than brookes. And you aren't giving up much on the defensive end considering that neither aaron or Jimmer are good at it.

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I like this idea.

A Jimmer/Reke backcourt makes a lot of sense in theory. If the Kings could unload some of their more inefficient pieces it would work better.

I'm not technically a Kings' fan, but I've quietly rooted for them for years due to the high class of their fans. As a Jazz fan it was sad witnessing the Stockton/Malone era ending. In Stockton's last game (a playoff loss in Sacramento), the fans there gave him a huge standing ovation rarely paralelled by a home crowd. It was an impressive moment by respectful fans, who showed appreciation for a player that had been their enemy for years. Since then I've always quietly hoped for their success.

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I think their perfect lineup is

Thomas, jimmer,hayes, t- rob and cousins. yes I know no tyreke T-rob becomes the small forward.

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should the kings have taken houstons offer

of kyle lowery and the 17th pick for the 5th pick and chuck hayes?

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