The Kings were able to pull defeat from the jaws of victory...way to go Thornton...way to go
Being a kings fan is agonizing. Something HAS to go down before the trade deadline right? They can't honestly believe this team is going to win as it is....
I'll be honest...I'm not a Thornton fan.....Yeah he gets hot and can win a game for us...but he can also shoot us out of a game....We also need to unload Salmons...I was pleased to hear that Cousins has started being mentored by Chris Webber....
And that's why you never foul a jump-shooter.
If I had a soul...you would surely hurt it sir.....
To be fair, thornton rarely makes mistakes like this, he's actually been one of the most consistent and dependable players on the kings this year in my opinion. Nobody should be untouchable except cousins, it's clear that this team doesn't have it. We've been waiting year after year to even be considered decent and I'm tired of waiting. Let's get a blockbuster done Geoff Petrie, and make sacramento relevant again.
I hope we pull something that gives us a little hope...maybe trade away some of the blackholes on the team and get some team players...Isaiah Thomas is a poor mans Westbrook and I would prefer a more pass first point....I agree that they should look into trading anyone except Cousins...and maybe Evans...I am an Evans fan but he just doesn't gel with Thornton
"Let's get a blockbuster done Geoff Petrie, and make sacramento relevant again."
The Kings really don't have the pieces for a franchise-altering blockbuster. They really have no identity, direction or stability on the roster. If they want to build around Cousins, then they need to shed some of the scorers on the roster and replace them with better-rounded veterans. Maybe find a way to put the ball in the hands of somebody who actually makes Cousins (and the rest of the team) better.
Who do Kings fans like in the draft this year?
Kendall Marshall would be very interesting, though almost certainly a reach.
Yeah...we need to build around Cousins since he has the highest ceiling on the team....I think we should look into trading Thornton/Thompson/Salmons and maybe Evans....we also need to cut ties with Garcia and Greene...the only thing is I don't see any way we could make a trade and say we got better.....
I would look into getting a good forward and trying to find a good pg somewhere else besides the draft...the only good pg I see coming out is Marshall and it would be a bit of a reach for us to draft him where we currently are
Heck naw this team aint gonna win as it is. Still, you have to have patience. This is not a real team yet, its just a bunch of young players thrown together. Salmons and Garcia are the only players in their 30's and incidentally, they are 2 of the 3 highest paid players on the team.
The Kings have a lot of young talented guys. Guys like Thompson and Greene, plus the rookie Honeycutt. Really talented guys that needed to be showcased this year, since they werent going to win any games anyway. They definitely should be moving some of these young pieces to get some experience and cohesiveness.
Thompson is a guy that definitely should be moved, he wont be much of a factor now that DMC is there, but he is a talent that could really blossom for another team. Greene is another one who's days are numbered in Sactown.
I do agree about Salmons, and Garcia needs to go too, not sure how lucky they will be getting rid of those contracts.....for what little they are producing right now.
My dream scenario is winning the #1 pick and getting Davis to pair with Cousins...other than that hope for MKG to come out(pipedream?) and him be there with us picking.....I value MKG over Barnes
"the only thing is I don't see any way we could make a trade and say we got better....."
Addition by subtraction.
They have too much talent, and not enough leadership to do anything consistent with it. I also think they should look into trading Evans, who is a great scorer, but won't get the Kings out of the ditch they are in.
On a decent team, Thomas and Thornton are bench players, excelling at changing the pace of a game while putting enormous pressure on the other team's reserves. They really need a Raja Bell/Arron Afflalo/Landry Fields kind of presence starting. Somebody who plays tough defense, makes open shots and sets a strong, steady tone for the rest of the game (while being able to take the elite scoring guards out of their rhythm).
Cousins gives the team a very strong scoring presence in the post. He also has a high basketball IQ, so getting the ball in his hands as much as possible is a good idea. The Kings have way too many ball-dominant guards to take advantage of that. Fredette and Evans are good players, but they don't make Cousins any better. Great teams have synergy among their top players. A point guard who can play off of Cousins' passing ability (say, by being able to cut/finsh and spot-up well) would be ideal.
A new starting backcourt seems vital to me.
I LOVE the idea of bringing in kendall marshall. He's exactly what we need in a guard. I was thinking if somehow we can get another lottery pick and grab meyers leonard along with marshall, we'd get two hard working team players to fit in around cousins. Shop everyone else for a good small forward who's not undersized ( a full sized, contributing 3 man is something we haven't had since artest)
We haven't had a good SF in years that is why I think we should target either MKG(assuming he comes out) or Harrison Barnes...if we can't get one of those I would maybe attempt to trade back a few spots and get Marshall...maybe try to swing a trade with the jazz for one of their first rounders and nab both Marshall and Jones? As far as trades go I would probably say Evans has the highest value because of his size and position so they should definitely try to shop him around and see what parts they can get.
You kings fans would know better than I, but from reading this you seem to think that everyone on your team is expendable except for cousins...So I would just take the best player available and see how it pans out... once you evaluate the talent coming up to the draft I would even take an SG if they were teh best available and you thought they could be a marginal improvement over thorton.. his contract is not bad so he could be traded... y'all really effed last year in the draft because you tried to target a position... the middle of the lottery is dangerous... dont make that mistake again..
We stay at the top of the draft every year. And I have yet to see any improvement in our players. Cousins being mentored is a good idea, maybe Chris Webber can keep Cousins in control when he's in the post and stop him from running over people. Evans needs to learn to shoot. I mean a shaky jumper...consistent jumper something...ANYTHING. Thornton is a black hole offensively really. And yes we do need a small forward.
I'm dumbfounded that you guys actually think Kendell Marshall would be the answer or even a good fit on the Kings. 1st off the Kings should be in position to get a top 5 pick so Marshall would be like the last prospect I'm thinking about. There are gonna be great fits there with MKG, Barnes, PJ3, Thomas Robinson, Beal, or Lamb.
Basically the Kings need to upgrade their forward position. I think solidifying a really good PF next to Cousins would be huge and there are guys in this draft that would be great fits with their hustle and atleticism. I don't like Hickson next to Cousins they'd be better off having a player whose skill set is more complimentary. T-Rob would be great in this position because he's a great all around player who can pass out of the post, throw his weight around, and body up on defense. If the Kings can get an athletic banger like that down low they're gonna become a very tough team to deal with. Think of the Grizzlies low post last year with Gasol and Randolph and add speed and athleticism to that and you got trouble.
I think PJ3 would be a nice fit in Sac Town. I've watched Baylor a lot this year and don't let the state lines deceive you Jones can ball. The best part about him is he'd be another guy who'd fit great in a complimentary role.
Talking about Baylor for some reason I really think Quincey Miller would be a great fit there.
The Kings should focus on getting defenders, hustle guys, and continue getting outside shooters. Thornton must go, Reke played so much better when he was out. Tho 'Reke is also playing well at SF and it'd be interesting to see if he could actually develop into a SF because he certainly has the body for it tho he's a little short.
They got a ton of trade pieces and I don't know what they're waiting for. Reke, Thornton, Jimmer, Hickson, Thompson should all be able to bring in nice pieces. I'd really like to see them get some value for Thornton, Hickson, and Thompson before anybody. I wouldn't give up on Jimmer yet he's going to be a nice player but if another team offers a player who could help go for it.
The only players I would list as untouchable on this team is Cousins, and Evans. I say 'Reke cuz i doubt they'll get back fair value if they trade him and he's so versatile he shouldn't have a problem adjusting to the team they build as they move forward.
I really don't know what Marshall would offer this team, in all honesty I think Isiah Thomas will become a better NBA player. Marshall doesn't average double digits in any category, he's not a great shooter nor a great defender, and his only claim to fame is that he's a great passer putting up great assists numbers on a team where he's passing to 3 All ACC members. They could get Scott Machado later in the draft if he don't sky rocket up the boards which I suspect he will come workout time.
My top picks for the Kings in order
- Anthony Davis
- Harrison Barnes
- Michael Kidd Gilchrist
- Thomas Robinson
- Arnett Moultrie (right now this is who I have the Kings drafting. I agree with Mr. 19134 getting a PF that can gel with Cousins down low would really help the Kings and possibly even more than a SF.
- Jared Sullinger
- Perry Jones
Perry Jones is likely to go top 10 to late lottery so if the Kings really want him trading with the Jazz or Hornets would be smart. I think the Jazz would be more open to trading one or both of their picks since they really only need a point guard and the best point guard in this draft is Marshall but personally I'd rather have someone who can do more than just pass.
I like Isiaih, but he probably shouldn't be starting on a good team. Thornton doesn't fit. They need a 4 and a defensive minded wing (3 or 4 with Reke in the other spot). Salmons is all but useless to them. Shooting to play off Cousins would be a plus.