[r377Participant]

up until recently 80-90% of ppl had kemba going to the kings, now it seems like Jimmer is gaining in popularity ?

Thoughts ? Work out news ?

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

 ive been twittering the Maloof brothers to draft Bismack 😀

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

I still have Kemba as the guy there.

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

I still have Kemba as the guy there, but the buzz is that Jimmer amazed them with his workout.

[JNixonParticipant]

They would be well-advised to take Jimmer Fredette over Kemba Walker. Jimmer, Tyreke Evans and Marcus Thornton in the backcourt together is a very young and high-octane offense. And I definitely Jimmer is a better fit with those guys than Kemba Walker is.

[scliddiardParticipant]

I think Jimmer has been undervalued up til now and still many don’t believe, he has more nba ready skills than Knight or Walker IMO, he’s a better shooter, better handles, better after contact, better at getting to the line, better passer.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

scliddiard

I believe most of what you’re saying is opinion instead of fact.  He’s does not have better handles, I wouldn’t say he’s all that better after contact, he’s not better at getting to the line, and he is most definitely not a better passer.

But then again, this is my opinion as well and I’m a Kemba fan.  So I’m biased. 

I believe Jimmer can come in and have a good impact right away while Kemba would need a while to get into rhythm. 

You know what they say, the easiest skill that translates to the NBA is shooting, and Jimmer does that as well as anyone.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Now, Jimmer may be better dealing with contact simply because of his body but Kemba has that athleticism to him that can make him difficult to guard when he gets in the paint.  I’m still not buying that Fredette is a better playmaker than Kemba.

[JNixonParticipant]

Jimmer Fredette is definitely a better playmaker and better dealing with contact than Kemba Walker. Walker isn’t efficient enough and he’s not a real PG. Fredette has shown that he’s a willing passer when he has talented teammates with him, and he’s a much more efficient player in the same scenario. Kemba Walker is just like a Jonny Flynn-type. He’ll score for a team, but he’s not going to be a big threat from 3, and he’s not going to be an efficient scorer or a true PG.

[JNixonParticipant]

Kemba Walker isn’t really that much of a PG, never really has been either. Fredette showed in his Soph and Jr. seasons that he can effectively play PG.

[BBall4life88Participant]

I have Kemba going to the Raptors at 5 and Jimmer going to Utah at 12

[lakanoParticipant]

Way to disregard Kemba’s first 2 seasons nobody thought of him as an undersized shooting guard then.

[JNixonParticipant]

He certainly wasn’t a pure PG then either. Notice how when he was trying to be a PG, they were an NIT team. But when he wasn’t they made it to the Elite 8 and won a title? He was never the teams PG when UConn was good. Napier and A.J. Price were.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Jimmer would give them a great 3 guard rotation. They could even go small with a 3 guard lineup.
Cousins is a beast down low with Dalembert as a good defensive center if he resigns. Garcia could start
at small forward as a utility/glue guy.

I would really like that team a lot. Plenty of offensive firepower to go along with inside scoring and rebounding.
I could see them winning around 40 games with an outside shot at the playoffs.

[jazz270Participant]

Perfect comparison of the two players, Sir. Spot on.

Sorry we got off on a wrong foot when I first started posting here. Your daily updates are wonderful, insightful, and extremely accurate. I’m afraid I only have time to study about the first twenty players in each draft in depth, so I admire the work you must put in to study the whole draft. My buddies think I’m crazy about the draft? Wow.

Jimmer has been undervalued, although how that could happen when he swept all the honors for college player of the year is astounding. Something to consider is that something like 60% of the Naismith Winners have become all-stars in the NBA, a much better percentage than the top 5 draft picks.

I like all of them, Knight, Jimmer and Kemba, though they’re all a little different players and how they fit in an offense should be considered carefully before drafting one of them. I have Knight slightly ahead of Jimmer and Kemba just a hair behind Jimmer, but they’re all good. They all have things they need to improve to become good players in the NBA, but they all have enough talent and drive to get there. I firmly believe that.

One thing that probably should be mentioned is that they all are extremely driven players, good kids almost to a fault, and would be welcome in any team’s locker room. They’re great kids, though each of them are killers on the court.

Tough decisions are ahead.

[bloodshyParticipant]

I’d really like Jimmer to be around @ 12 for the Jazz.

[KingsNation707Participant]

Fredette impressed the Kings so much, that at the workout the Maloofs went up to talk to him right after the work out. They didnt even say a word to the other prospects there. Jimmer was so impressive he had the Maloofs and other Kings front office members laughing with how rediculous his shooting ability is.

Jimmer is a way better fit than Kemba(who would give us basically a smaller Tyreke type player). This team is in desperate need of 3 point shooters and players that can help now. Jimmer can do both. We were one of the worst 3 point shooting teams last year, and we need a spot up shooter and a guy who can shoot off the dribble. A rotation of Tyreke and Thornton starting with Jimmer and Beno off the bench would give us a lot of Guards who can effect the game in many ways.

Don’t get me wrong though, I think Kemba Walker will be by far one of the better players in this draft, but adding him to the Kings won’t fix any problems we have right now.

[omphalosParticipant]

I admit, I was pretty down on Jimmer, but he seems to be working very hard, and he suits their win-now mentality as an almost fully-formed prospect. One thing that makes Jimmer the better candidate is shooting; Tyreke is always drawing double-teams on drives, and same for Cousins; having that dead-eye shooter at the PG spot to kick out to ala Steve Kerr would be very useful to the Kings. It all comes down to defensive ability though; I’ve seen Kemba do some great things when he’s locked in defensively, but if Jimmer can give more effort and take a back seat to Reke and Cousins, then that could work too. Lots of ifs though… should be interesting to see where they go.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

I’m not a big Jimmer fan, but him over Kemba makes a lot more sense.  It’s not just about players (as Raymond Felton and Johnny Flynn  most recently proved), but about fits with the system.  Evans and Cousins demand a lot of extra attention on offense, but also the ball in their hands.  Jimmer doesn’t need much space to get up a three and, moreover, is really excellent at finding and creating free space.  He opens things up for the other two, and they open things up for him.  Kemba, like those two, needs the ball in his hands, as does Thornton.  With only one ball, that’s more likely to be a problem than Jimmer who really potentially gives them something similar to their early 00s club.

[JoeWolf1]

 Apparently, Jimmer has just been killing it in all of his workouts.  This isn’t just Sacremento’s, his stock is up accross the board.  I haven’t read about Kemba’s workout with the Kings yesterday, but Jimmer’s stock is up accross the board.  It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Jimmer went @7, but I’m curious to read about Kemba’s workout yesterday.

Edit: after posting, I found this article about the workout yesterday.  This writer wasn’t too impressed with Kemba, I wonder if this sentiment is shared by the King’s front office?  Jimmer could very well be near a lock at #7 if it is.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/13/2222301/june-13th-kings-pre-draft-workout-report-kemba-and-vucevic

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 Kemba is way better at taking contact… He had so many and 1’s in college.  He was tremendous at taking it to the rim and better than jimmer at that.. The only think jimmer has on him is shooting… Handles – kemba is better. Jimmer averaged more turnovers than kemba.. Jimmer looked like he jogged everywhere and played simple competition while kemba played in arguably the toughest conference.  Kemba would’ve destroyed in the Mountain West.. I’m not dissing on jimmer while i think jimmer is good I would take Kemba over him any day.. Shooting can be improved athleticism is more of natural born talent.  Kemba will go 5,7, or 9. Jimmer will go 7 or 12 and I do think he would be a better fit for the kings

[uconn1Participant]

I Agree that Kemba is better. Kemba’s handle is better, he is quicker, and able to slide thru spaces that seem too tight – created by defenses. Kemba is amazing at finishing at the rim, is just as good if not better than Jimmer in the mid range game, and is a terrific leader. Just compare the competition Kemba faced in the Big East vs Jimmer. Plus Kemba plays defense. These results speak for themselves: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFnQXT68zL4

[uconn1Participant]

I Agree that Kemba is better. Kemba’s handle is better, he is quicker, and able to slide thru spaces that seem too tight – created by defenses. Kemba is amazing at finishing at the rim, is just as good if not better than Jimmer in the mid range game, and is a terrific leader. Just compare the competition Kemba faced in the Big East vs Jimmer. Plus Kemba plays defense. These results speak for themselves: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFnQXT68zL4

[jazz270Participant]

OK, I’m tired of the Mountain West bashing.

Last year it was better than the Pac10, better than the Big East at the top of the conference.

I know that UConn won the title, but that was because they got hot. I’ve never seen two worse teams in the finals, ever. Not bashing UConn either. Walker is a great player. Jimmer is better.

There are a lot of ifs in basketball. If Davies hadn’t left the Cougars right when it counted, it would have been BYU playing for the National Championship. BYU was a much better team with Davies there, and they almost made it to the Final Four without him.

Most years the Big East is a much better conference. Last year the MWC was better until Davies got canned. If you didn’t follow the Cougars, you don’t know how good Davies was, and he was a legit inside player who could play on any team in America. Just watch him this next year and see.

It looks like the Big East fans are defending Kemba, they don’t have to. He’s a great player, but Jimmer is simply a better player. No shame for Kemba. If Jimmer isn’t there, I hope the Jazz draft him.

And I’m not a BYU fan at all. In fact, I usually despise the Cougars in basketball, but give them their props, and give the Jimmer his. He deserves it.

[cward23Participant]

Not sure why some people don’t think Kemba is a PG when he was a very good one before having to pick up the scoring load. The team’s he was on before then were different therefore you can’t really compare him as a pg and him as a scoring pg when talking about team success(not to mention the teams he was playing against had different players his first two seasons).

Another thing is none of us knows how good or bad a player is gonna be so it’s pretty dumb to make a definative statement like ” this player will be able to do this or won’t be able to do this”. We don’t know what they will be able to do, we can guess and say we think this or that but thats as much as we can do as far as predictions.

I think in the right system either payer can be better than the other player. (Jimmer in the su’s or icks system would be a perfect fit IMO)

[JNixonParticipant]

"Not sure why some people don’t think Kemba is a PG when he was a very good one before having to pick up the scoring load. The team’s he was on before then were different therefore you can’t really compare him as a pg and him as a scoring pg when talking about team success(not to mention the teams he was playing against had different players his first two seasons)."

Because he wasn’t a very good PG. He was only OK as a PG whenever he got minutes there, but he was turnover prone and didn’t take control of the team from the position. He has never been a PG for a good team before. UConn was a .500 team before the Big East tourny, wanna know why? Because Shabazz Napier stepped up after the Big East slate. Kemba Walker didn’t step up as a PG or get efficient in conference play. UConn got that title because Napier stepped up and Jeremy Lamb grew up. UConn collapsed when he was a Soph. when he was a PG. He certainly didn’t improve his PG skills from that season to last year either. I think UConn being shaky during last season’s conference slate and UConn collapsing during the 09-10 season have a good bit to do with Kemba Walker not being a real PG. I don’t see how it couldn’t. UConn certainly had a good enough core during his Soph. season to be better than a NIT team don’t you think? They returned alot of guys from the core of that Elite 8 squad, yet they didn’t even make the tournament. Walker has shown he’s not a very good PG throughout college.

[cward23Participant]

And thats a opinion not a fact. Can’t make a definitive statement like that when a guy hasn’t played a minute in the NBA. If it was definitive teams would not be looking to draft him so high because he would just be a undersized SG. Obviously thats not the case because teams that hae done researh on him for years feel he has the ability/potential to play PG and be a very good one at that.

There have been many guys before Waler who were worst as aPG in college but got better at it in the NBA( and some who were better in college but worst in the NBA) which is why i say you can’t make a definative statement as to what he will or wont be, just how you feel in you’re opinion what he will turn out to be

[cward23Participant]

Jeff Teague, Darren Collinson both played pretty well as PG’s this season

Teauge averaged about the same amount of Turnovers as Ast in college

Collinson averaged less ast and about the same amount of turnovers

[JNixonParticipant]

"And thats a opinion not a fact. Can’t make a definitive statement like that when a guy hasn’t played a minute in the NBA. If it was definitive teams would not be looking to draft him so high because he would just be a undersized SG. Obviously thats not the case because teams that hae done researh on him for years feel he has the ability/potential to play PG and be a very good one at that.

There have been many guys before Waler who were worst as aPG in college but got better at it in the NBA( and some who were better in college but worst in the NBA) which is why i say you can’t make a definative statement as to what he will or wont be, just how you feel in you’re opinion what he will turn out to be"

How is the fact that they were an NIT team when Walker was the PG, and they made it to the Elite 8 and won a title with him as an off guard an opinion? He’s basically what Jonny Flynn was before the hip injury last year. A scorer as a combo guard who will get you 4 apg and shot a low percentage from the field. Teams do research on all the guys that get selected, but that doesn’t mean they can’t have their role changed upon being on an NBA roster. The changes of him being a great pure PG are far less likely given that he NEVER proved to be that in college after 3 years of playing.

[JNixonParticipant]

"Jeff Teague, Darren Collinson both played pretty well as PG’s this season

Teauge averaged about the same amount of Turnovers as Ast in college

Collinson averaged less ast and about the same amount of turnovers"

Collison was a PG in college and a winner playing the position. Jeff Teague is still MUCH more of a scorer than a playmaker, and he didn’t have a great season. He had a good series against the Bulls. There is a difference.

[cward23Participant]

my point being you nor anyone else can make a definitive statement about how good or bad Walker will be because we havn’t seen him play in the NBA. Thats not even debateable since no one can see into the future. The most any of us can do is have a personal opinion of how good or bad a player will be

[cward23Participant]

Also these days being a scoring guard is a good thing. The MVP is a scoring guard and the Guy behind him who was second team all NBA was a scoring guard. That seems to be the thing to be in the NBa these days

[JNixonParticipant]

"my point being you nor anyone else can make a definitive statement about how good or bad Walker will be because we havn’t seen him play in the NBA. Thats not even debateable since no one can see into the future. The most any of us can do is have a personal opinion of how good or bad a player will be"

It’s obviously not carved in stone, but you can’t write off the lack of results that he’s shown when he’s played PG. He’s shown that he’s not a true PG.

[JNixonParticipant]

"Also these days being a scoring guard is a good thing. The MVP is a scoring guard and the Guy behind him who was second team all NBA was a scoring guard. That seems to be the thing to be in the NBa these days"

Derrick Rose is a pure PG, and has proven that at the highest levels of basketball. He’s shown that he’s unselfish and he really only scores as much as he does because he lacks shot creators beside him. Scoring guards are en vogue, but that doesn’t mean Kemba Walker is a pure PG, or a Derrick Rose-type player.

[cward23Participant]

You just made my point with the comment

“The changes of him being a great pure PG are far less likely given that he NEVER proved to be that in college after 3 years of playing”

Definitive means you already know and have facts to prove as much. there are no facts to prove it. What you do in college is not a fact of what you will do in the NBA. What you do at one level can be a indication of what you will do at the next level but it is not a fact.

[cward23Participant]

this is getting off point…Point being you nor anyone else can make a definitive statement about what someone will bein the future. Just a OPINION. and you’re opinion has been well stated and we all respect it but its not fact just like aother person who says he will be a great PG. Both are OPINIONS and everyone is more than entitiled to that

[JNixonParticipant]

"Definitive means you already know and have facts to prove as much. there are no facts to prove it. What you do in college is not a fact of what you will do in the NBA. What you do at one level can be a indication of what you will do at the next level but it is not a fact."

Read the first sentence of that same post. I clearly said it’s not definitive.

And how does it not indicate? If you can’t score effiiciently against college conference teams, how will you magically become efficient? Especially as a small guard with shaky decision making and shot selection. If you can’t run a team with borderline prospects who formed the core of an Elite 8 squad the season before, how will you run a good NBA team?

 

[JNixonParticipant]

"Kemba averaged like 26 in the tournament showed good passing ability. His decision making is not shaky. He knows when to shoot shots and when not too… Napier was his backup and came in so Kemba could play 2 for a bit but Kemba would still play like a point at the 2"

He scored 26 ppg, but all that shows is he’s a scorer like I’ve been saying. If he decision making wasn’t shaky why would be play only limited time at PG when he’s clearly a PG in terms of his physical tools? You’re telling me Shabazz Napier is playing extended time over Kemba Walker who is supposed to be a top PG prospect, and Walker is a PG and not a shaky decision maker? Walker’s inefficiency speaks to his decision making skills, and does not speak to him knowing to consistently take good shots.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

Kemba loves to prove doubters like you Jnixon…  Kemba carried the huskies to a championship its that freaking simple… Lamb only average like what 13 points? Kemba averaged like 26 in the tournament showed good passing ability. His decision making is not shaky.  He knows when to shoot shots and when not too… Napier was his backup and came in so Kemba could play 2 for a bit but Kemba would still play like a point at the 2… What do you mean he didn’t score efficiently? By saying that your basically dissing on any player in the Nba who has to consistently carry his team a la Rose or Kobe.

[cward23Participant]

Thats what i like about the NBA. It can prove any things especiall how good or bad of a PG you are. Kemba had to score in order for his team to win but he won’t have to score as much in the NBA and will have better players around him to pass to. There is one fact though, NBA teams think’s he can play PG and play i very well or else he would’t be projected to go so high. It remains to be seen if he can or can’t but the FACT is teams think he can and in truth thats all that really matters untill he proves what he can do

[JNixonParticipant]

"There is one fact though, NBA teams think’s he can play PG and play i very well or else he would’t be projected to go so high. It remains to be seen if he can or can’t but the FACT is teams think he can and in truth thats all that really matters untill he proves what he can do"

Those same teams are lottery teams…..

[JNixonParticipant]

"What do you mean he didn’t score efficiently? By saying that your basically dissing on any player in the Nba who has to consistently carry his team a la Rose or Kobe."

No. That’s not even comparable. Kobe’s worst season from the field since his 2nd season is 43% carrying a shaky Laker team in 04-05 AGAINST NBA COMPETITION. Every other year his efficiency has been very good, particularly for how many shots he puts up. And 44% from Derrick Rose this year is the worst he’s shot, which also is good for the load he shouldered. Kemba Walker isn’t efficient against college players. There is a BIG difference.

[cward23Participant]

Even non lotto teams think he can play PG. And i would take those lotto teams opinion over us regular fans ay day of the week. We are just fans, they do this for a livig. Yes they are wrong sometimes but they know more than we do and spend way more time than we do watching these players. They see them in workout plus game. i’m not nieve enough to think i know more than them or nieve enough to think anyone on here knows more ( for the record none of us do)

[cward23Participant]

Also every title team has been a lotto team before so im not understanding you’re point there

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

He had extended time because he showed the ability to play the point… ONLY because he was playing well and connecticut need all the help they could get for Kemba. Its like eric bledsoe took time from John Wall that shouldn’t take anything from John Wall…  Decision making? he averaged 4.5 assists overall.  Turnovers he averaged 1.2 less than Jimmer. That sounds like jimmer is a bad decision maker. Jimmer had a 1.2 A/T ratio while Kemba had a 2 A/T. One guy didn’t make it past the sweet 16 the other won it all.  Jimmer vs Woffard? 7 assists 4 turnovers 10 of 25 shooting.. Kemba vs Bucknell? 12 assists 2 turnovers and 5 of 11 shooting.. Kemba clearly better decision maker.  Kemba had 10 7+ assist games and only 1 five turnover game. Jimmer? 5 7+ assist games and Jimmer had 8 five turnover games. Both of those including tournament.

[JNixonParticipant]

"Also every title team has been a lotto team before so im not understanding you’re point there"

My point is Walker isn’t going to be a title PG, and all the teams interested in drafting him have been in the lottery for at least 3 years in a row now except Utah, so they aren’t very good. And if he slips to Utah he wouldn’t start over Devin Harris if he went there, or make them better when they ease him into the role.

"He had extended time because he showed the ability to play the point… ONLY because he was playing well and connecticut need all the help they could get for Kemba. Its like eric bledsoe took time from John Wall that shouldn’t take anything from John Wall… Decision making? he averaged 4.5 assists overall. Turnovers he averaged 1.2 less than Jimmer. That sounds like jimmer is a bad decision maker. Jimmer had a 1.2 A/T ratio while Kemba had a 2 A/T. One guy didn’t make it past the sweet 16 the other won it all. Jimmer vs Woffard? 7 assists 4 turnovers 10 of 25 shooting.. Kemba vs Bucknell? 12 assists 2 turnovers and 5 of 11 shooting.. Kemba clearly better decision maker. Kemba had 10 7+ assist games and only 1 five turnover game. Jimmer? 5 7+ assist games and Jimmer had 8 five turnover games. Both of those including tournament."

He didn’t play more time than Napier or play real extended time as a PG in any of the UConn games I watched this past season.

Eric Bledsoe showed the same iffy decision-making for the Clippers that he showed at Kentucky, so that’s an indictment on him as opposed to him playing with John Wall. And Bledsoe played extremely limited time with John Wall. Walker has been giving many more chances to play PG than Bledsoe was in his lone year in Lexington.

Jimmer Fredette was the only good player during BYU’s run to the tournament and had to shoulder more of a offensive load than any other player that was participating in the NCAA tournament. Fredette shot better from the field with that same lackluster supporting cast, and only turned the ball over because he played with that cast. When he had Brandon Davies, there was noticeably less turnovers coming from him. Fredette definitely demonstrates better decision-making skills when he has had talent on his team, from a PG standpoint and from a shot selection standpoint as well.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

Derrick rose had 4.7 assists in college Kemba had 4.5 and 5.1 his soph.  Chris Paul only shot 45 percent in college.  Deron Williams shot 40% 41% and 43% in college look at him now…  Russell Westbrook in his soph year only averaged 12 ppg and 4.3 assists and then left for the NBA.Steve Nash in college shot under 43% in his freshman sophomore and Senior year(junior year shot 44%) Kemba isn’t the only one to shoot a bit subpar in college.. All of those the top 5 point guards in the league. So now what do you have to say?

[JNixonParticipant]

"Derrick rose had 4.7 assists in college Kemba had 4.5 and 5.1 his soph. Chris Paul only shot 45 percent in college. Deron Williams shot 40% 41% and 43% in college look at him now… Russell Westbrook in his soph year only averaged 12 ppg and 4.3 assists and then left for the NBA. Kemba isn’t the only one to shoot a bit subpar in college and then become elite."

Derrick Rose was FAR less turnover prone and FAR more efficient from the floor than Walker could have ever thought about being when he was at Memphis.

Chris Paul’s 45% from the floor is a very solid number from the field. Walker’s 42% on more attempts as a Jr., and his whooping 40% as a Soph. are not as solid though.

Deron Williams slimmed down, got more explosive athelticaly, and is much more of a slasher than he was in college. Williams was much more of a jump shooter back then, which are why his %’s were low.

Russell Westbrook played off the ball because of Darren Collison in college. And that caused his numbers not to stand out as much.

[cward23Participant]

You don’t know what Walker will be because he hasn’t played yet. No one knows no matter how much you think you know the FACT is not one person knows what any of the players are gonna end up being, if they did there would be no such thing as bust or players piked to low or high

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

Kemba played 38 mpg… at least 25 of those at point and the rest getting the ball after a couple seconds so Kemba could MAKE A PLAY(aka Playmaker)  Kemba beats jimmer in every category that isn’t scoring(where jimmer only beats him because of his tremendous 3 point shooting ability). Most PG only play 30 mpg so really there isn’t a difference. Most of jimmers turnovers happened after the brandon davies thing. Jimmer had as much help as kemba did. Here are some stats to prove Kemba had a normal FG% and assists for a point from college. Derrick rose had 4.7 assists in college Kemba had 4.5 and 5.1 his soph. Chris Paul only shot 45 percent in college. Deron Williams shot 40% 41% and 43% in college look at him now… Russell Westbrook in his soph year only averaged 12 ppg and 4.3 assists and then left for the NBA.Steve Nash in college shot under 43% in his freshman sophomore and Senior year(junior year shot 44%) Kemba isn’t the only one to shoot a bit subpar in college.. All of those the top 5 point guards in the league. So now what do you have to say?

[JNixonParticipant]

"Kemba played 38 mpg… at least 25 of those at point and the rest getting the ball after a couple seconds so Kemba could MAKE A PLAY(aka Playmaker) Kemba beats jimmer in every category that isn’t scoring(where jimmer only beats him because of his tremendous 3 point shooting ability). Most PG only play 30 mpg so really there isn’t a difference. Most of jimmers turnovers happened after the brandon davies thing. Jimmer had as much help as kemba did. Here are some stats to prove Kemba had a normal FG% and assists for a point from college. Derrick rose had 4.7 assists in college Kemba had 4.5 and 5.1 his soph. Chris Paul only shot 45 percent in college. Deron Williams shot 40% 41% and 43% in college look at him now… Russell Westbrook in his soph year only averaged 12 ppg and 4.3 assists and then left for the NBA.Steve Nash in college shot under 43% in his freshman sophomore and Senior year(junior year shot 44%) Kemba isn’t the only one to shoot a bit subpar in college.. All of those the top 5 point guards in the league. So now what do you have to say?"

He probably played less than half of his minutes at PG, and as a playmaker I mean for others. We all know he can make plays scoring.

Kemba Walker didn’t score as much as Jimmer Fredette at any point of his career when both were playing college basketball, so how does he "score" better? He also has never been as efficient, which is a huge factor in determining who scores better.

You’ve silly if you think BYU gave Fredette as much help as UConn had for Kemba Walker. Jeremy Lamb, Alex Oriakhi and Shabazz Napier are better than any player on BYU’s team w/o Davies.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 "Derrick Rose was FAR less turnover prone and FAR more efficient from the floor than Walker could have ever thought about being when he was at Memphis.

Chris Paul’s 45% from the floor is a very solid number from the field. Walker’s 42% on more attempts as a Jr., and his whooping 40% as a Soph. are not as solid though.

Deron Williams slimmed down, got more explosive athelticaly, and is much more of a slasher than he was in college. Williams was much more of a jump shooter back then, which are why his %’s were low.

Russell Westbrook played off the ball because of Darren Collison in college. And that caused his numbers not to stand out as much"

Kemba shot 43% and has shown improvement in his shooting ability and everything else just like all the other elite PG’s.  45% – 43% could have just been some junk half court shots at the buzzer that don’t matter… The more you shoot the harder it will be to keep that percentage up CP3 didn’t score that much in college. If forced to shoot more he probably would have shot 43% or less. Maybe if Kemba didn’t have to carry his team he would have shot a higher percentage.  

Why did Westbrook average more turnovers than Kemba? westbrook was playing the 2.. You just took away the fact that Kemba isn’t a true point… Westbrook played 2 guard in college too so then westbrook isn’t a true point.. Westbrook made 2nd team all nba so i guess it doesn’t matter if he is a true point.

Derrick Rose average 2.6 TO which is actually more than Kemba and he was -5 in his championship game which he lost.  

Why can’t Kemba do whatever D-will has done then?

 

I can comeback on anything you said with true facts that prove Kemba is just as good as any of them..

[JNixonParticipant]

"Kemba shot 43% and has shown improvement in his shooting ability and everything else just like all the other elite PG’s. 45% – 43% could have just been some junk half court shots at the buzzer that don’t matter… The more you shoot the harder it will be to keep that percentage up. Maybe if he didn’t have to carry his team he would have shot a higher percentage.

Why did Westbrook average more turnovers than Kemba? westbrook was playing the 2.. You just took away the fact that Kemba isn’t a true point… Westbrook played 2 guard in college too so then westbrook isn’t a true point.. Westbrook made 2nd team all nba so i guess it doesn’t matter if he is a true point.

Derrick Rose average 2.6 TO which is actually more than Kemba.

Why can’t Kemba do whatever D-will has done then?"

The difference between Kemba Walker and Chris Paul’s 43% and 45% isn’t by halfcourt shots LOL. Thats laughable. There is a big difference in that. You’re talking about guys who took hundreds of shots. It’s not that close dude. Chris Paul took 10 shots a game. Walker took 18 shots a game. The difference between their % is a HUGE one.

Westbrook has proven that he’s turnover prone, that’s not news, but he’s also a superior physical presence and PG than Walker. SG’s usually are naturally more turnover prone than PG’s particularly if they are playing out of position. Westbrook was a PG through and through, and only played SG because he played with an All-American.

Derrick Rose was a PG though. Might have been a little more turnover prone playing PG in comparison to Rose playing on and off ball, but Walker’s TO numbers were higher when he played strictly PG in comparison too. Let’s not forget. And he shot WAY worse at the same position.

Because Kemba Walker isn’t chubby?? And he’s not a jump shooter?? -___- THAT’S why he can’t lose weight and become more of a slasher.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Jimmer 4.3 assists per game last year.  3.5 turnovers per game last year.

Kemba 4.5 assists per game last year.  2.3 turnovers per game last year.

Both players played off guard much of the time in college but Kemba when the ball was in his hands proved to be a better playmaker and way less turnover prone then Jimmer.  Kemba as a soph averaged over a 5 assists per game, Jimmer has never averaged over 5 assists per game.  Kemba beat Rose in close head to head matchup in high school when Walker was a JR. and Rose a SR.  Walker’s SR. yeah in H.S. his team was number one in the nation.  Now he just lead his team to a national title.  Bottom line is when the ball is in Kemba’s hands as the lead guard for your team, he finds a way to win.

 But Kemba has always been more of a scoring guard then a pass first PG.  But so is Jimmer.  What separates them is Kemba is a better open court player who is deadly in transition and with space and compared to Jimmer who is more effective then Kemba in a half court setting and working in traffic.  

As for the next level I think Jimmer will become a better pure PG.  In drills he looked fantastic in transition throwing nice no look touch passes on the break.  

So this becomes all about fit.  I think Jimmer fits better with the Kings but the Kings already have a very similiar player who is rock solid in Beno Udrih.  Will Jimmer be better then Udrih next year?  If not then the Kings should be looking more towards a player like Leonard, Morris, or Jordan Hamilton who can fill their vacancy at the small forward spot.

In the end I think Jimmer is the best fit for their organization as he will provide the floor spacing for Reke to drive and Cousins can evolve as a playmaking big man from the high post.

[JNixonParticipant]

"Jimmer 4.3 assists per game last year. 3.5 turnovers per game last year.

Kemba 4.5 assists per game last year. 2.3 turnovers per game last year.

Both players played off guard much of the time in college but Kemba when the ball was in his hands proved to be a better playmaker and way less turnover prone then Jimmer. Kemba as a soph averaged over a 5 assists per game, Jimmer has never averaged over 5 assists per game. Kemba beat Rose in close head to head matchup in high school when Walker was a JR. and Rose a SR. Walker’s SR. yeah in H.S. his team was number one in the nation. Now he just lead his team to a national title. Bottom line is when the ball is in Kemba’s hands as the lead guard for your team, he finds a way to win."

Compare the seasons when they played PG. Jimmer Fredette was a PG the vast majority of his Jr. year. As a Jr., Fredette put up 4.7 apg, 2.7 topg, leading a BYU to the 2nd round before falling against a really good K-State team. Walker lone season playing extended time as a PG, Walker averaged 5 apg, but also just about 3 topg as well. And UConn had more talent than BYU, yet was a team that lost in the 2nd round of the NIT I believe. Walker might get more assists, but to me he’s not a better PG. He hasn’t won when he’s been a PG. He’s also not as good a decision-maker as Fredette. Fredette took some wild shots at BYU, and played with worse teammates. And STILL was always more efficient. Something has to be said for that.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

 I’m done talking to you… you know nothing and just another one of jimmers lovers. If you haven’t noticed that Kemba is better than Jimmer and has a good chance of being really good in the Nba by all these things I have said have proved you wrong then you will never learn and I’m not gonna sit here proving you wrong constantly when you’re not worth my time.  I hope you grow up and actually start noticing talent and who is better.. You show your immaturity by using stats from the past that have nothing to do with now and stats don’t show everything even though you think they do. Kemba is much more talented and skilled than Jimmer and if you would open your eyes and notice that you would understand.  You keep using the same excuses that i’ve already proven wrong. I’m done talking, grow up kid and quit praising jimmer like he’s a god.

[JNixonParticipant]

"I’m done talking to you… you know nothing and just another one of jimmers lovers. If you haven’t noticed that Kemba is better than Jimmer and has a good chance of being really good in the Nba by all these things I have said have proved you wrong then you will never learn and I’m not gonna sit here proving you wrong constantly when you’re not worth my time. I hope you grow up and actually start noticing talent and who is better.. You show your immaturity by using stats from the past that have nothing to do with now and stats don’t show everything even though you think they do. Kemba is much more talented and skilled than Jimmer and if you would open your eyes and notice that you would understand. You keep using the same excuses that i’ve already proven wrong. I’m done talking, grow up kid and quit praising jimmer like he’s a god."

Lol you mad? Haha.

I personally don’t like Jimmer Fredette anymore than I like Kemba Walker, but stats are there. You were the one was posting old stats anyway, remember the "you’re disrespecting inefficient scorers like Kobe Bryant and Derrick Rose" argument? Or the ever popular "why can’t Kemba Walker go from being a chubby jump shooter to a top 3 NBA PG"?

[Winning_TimeParticipant]

I feel like Jimmer is the better choice but I feel their going to get Walker. On an unstable team like that, I feel like Jimmer would be intimidated and shy away. I always change my mind on this pick. I’m going Walker. Everyone has seemed to forgot about Jimmer’s little defensive problem.

[JNixonParticipant]

"On an unstable team like that, I feel like Jimmer would be intimidated and shy away. I always change my mind on this pick. I’m going Walker. Everyone has seemed to forgot about Jimmer’s little defensive problem."

Do you watch basketball? You think Jimmer Fredette would shy away and get intimidated by playing for an NBA team? I just don’t understand……If anything, Walker looked intimidated by the Kings by canceling his head-to-head workout with Fredette.

Fredette will be able to defend NBA PG’s good enough. He’s not going to be a liability on that end at all.

[GottaBeTheShoesParticipant]

double post

[R-Dot-13Participant]

Jimmer is definetly the better choice IMO. I also think he will be a better NBA Player. Walker is definetly going to be good, but IMO Jimmer can just do more. He’s a better shooter, and a very crafty driver. He’s also not the athletic slouch he was thought to be, and is actually pretty quick. Yes, Kemba was the NCAA champion, and he is also a very good player. But he’s not the scorer, or shooter that Jimmer is. Both of them are actually solid passers, but Jimmers ability to create his own shot off the dribble, and make them is just incredible. Jimmer has killed it in every single workout he has gone to, expecially the Kings. I think they are both good prospects, and I don’t want to get into an arguement with anyone, but I’m gonna have to agree with Iggy9 on this one and pick Jimmer.

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