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"Derrick Rose was FAR less

"Derrick Rose was FAR less turnover prone and FAR more efficient from the floor than Walker could have ever thought about being when he was at Memphis.

Chris Paul's 45% from the floor is a very solid number from the field. Walker's 42% on more attempts as a Jr., and his whooping 40% as a Soph. are not as solid though.

Deron Williams slimmed down, got more explosive athelticaly, and is much more of a slasher than he was in college. Williams was much more of a jump shooter back then, which are why his %'s were low.

Russell Westbrook played off the ball because of Darren Collison in college. And that caused his numbers not to stand out as much"

Kemba shot 43% and has shown improvement in his shooting ability and everything else just like all the other elite PG's. 45% - 43% could have just been some junk half court shots at the buzzer that don't matter... The more you shoot the harder it will be to keep that percentage up CP3 didn't score that much in college. If forced to shoot more he probably would have shot 43% or less. Maybe if Kemba didn't have to carry his team he would have shot a higher percentage.

Why did Westbrook average more turnovers than Kemba? westbrook was playing the 2.. You just took away the fact that Kemba isn't a true point... Westbrook played 2 guard in college too so then westbrook isn't a true point.. Westbrook made 2nd team all nba so i guess it doesn't matter if he is a true point.

Derrick Rose average 2.6 TO which is actually more than Kemba and he was -5 in his championship game which he lost.

Why can't Kemba do whatever D-will has done then?

I can comeback on anything you said with true facts that prove Kemba is just as good as any of them..

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"Kemba shot 43% and has shown

"Kemba shot 43% and has shown improvement in his shooting ability and everything else just like all the other elite PG's. 45% - 43% could have just been some junk half court shots at the buzzer that don't matter... The more you shoot the harder it will be to keep that percentage up. Maybe if he didn't have to carry his team he would have shot a higher percentage.

Why did Westbrook average more turnovers than Kemba? westbrook was playing the 2.. You just took away the fact that Kemba isn't a true point... Westbrook played 2 guard in college too so then westbrook isn't a true point.. Westbrook made 2nd team all nba so i guess it doesn't matter if he is a true point.

Derrick Rose average 2.6 TO which is actually more than Kemba.

Why can't Kemba do whatever D-will has done then?"

The difference between Kemba Walker and Chris Paul's 43% and 45% isn't by halfcourt shots LOL. Thats laughable. There is a big difference in that. You're talking about guys who took hundreds of shots. It's not that close dude. Chris Paul took 10 shots a game. Walker took 18 shots a game. The difference between their % is a HUGE one.

Westbrook has proven that he's turnover prone, that's not news, but he's also a superior physical presence and PG than Walker. SG's usually are naturally more turnover prone than PG's particularly if they are playing out of position. Westbrook was a PG through and through, and only played SG because he played with an All-American.

Derrick Rose was a PG though. Might have been a little more turnover prone playing PG in comparison to Rose playing on and off ball, but Walker's TO numbers were higher when he played strictly PG in comparison too. Let's not forget. And he shot WAY worse at the same position.

Because Kemba Walker isn't chubby?? And he's not a jump shooter?? -___- THAT'S why he can't lose weight and become more of a slasher.

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Jimmer 4.3 assists per game

Jimmer 4.3 assists per game last year. 3.5 turnovers per game last year.

Kemba 4.5 assists per game last year. 2.3 turnovers per game last year.

Both players played off guard much of the time in college but Kemba when the ball was in his hands proved to be a better playmaker and way less turnover prone then Jimmer. Kemba as a soph averaged over a 5 assists per game, Jimmer has never averaged over 5 assists per game. Kemba beat Rose in close head to head matchup in high school when Walker was a JR. and Rose a SR. Walker's SR. yeah in H.S. his team was number one in the nation. Now he just lead his team to a national title. Bottom line is when the ball is in Kemba's hands as the lead guard for your team, he finds a way to win.

But Kemba has always been more of a scoring guard then a pass first PG. But so is Jimmer. What separates them is Kemba is a better open court player who is deadly in transition and with space and compared to Jimmer who is more effective then Kemba in a half court setting and working in traffic.

As for the next level I think Jimmer will become a better pure PG. In drills he looked fantastic in transition throwing nice no look touch passes on the break.

So this becomes all about fit. I think Jimmer fits better with the Kings but the Kings already have a very similiar player who is rock solid in Beno Udrih. Will Jimmer be better then Udrih next year? If not then the Kings should be looking more towards a player like Leonard, Morris, or Jordan Hamilton who can fill their vacancy at the small forward spot.

In the end I think Jimmer is the best fit for their organization as he will provide the floor spacing for Reke to drive and Cousins can evolve as a playmaking big man from the high post.

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"Jimmer 4.3 assists per game

"Jimmer 4.3 assists per game last year. 3.5 turnovers per game last year.

Kemba 4.5 assists per game last year. 2.3 turnovers per game last year.

Both players played off guard much of the time in college but Kemba when the ball was in his hands proved to be a better playmaker and way less turnover prone then Jimmer. Kemba as a soph averaged over a 5 assists per game, Jimmer has never averaged over 5 assists per game. Kemba beat Rose in close head to head matchup in high school when Walker was a JR. and Rose a SR. Walker's SR. yeah in H.S. his team was number one in the nation. Now he just lead his team to a national title. Bottom line is when the ball is in Kemba's hands as the lead guard for your team, he finds a way to win."

Compare the seasons when they played PG. Jimmer Fredette was a PG the vast majority of his Jr. year. As a Jr., Fredette put up 4.7 apg, 2.7 topg, leading a BYU to the 2nd round before falling against a really good K-State team. Walker lone season playing extended time as a PG, Walker averaged 5 apg, but also just about 3 topg as well. And UConn had more talent than BYU, yet was a team that lost in the 2nd round of the NIT I believe. Walker might get more assists, but to me he's not a better PG. He hasn't won when he's been a PG. He's also not as good a decision-maker as Fredette. Fredette took some wild shots at BYU, and played with worse teammates. And STILL was always more efficient. Something has to be said for that.

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I'm done talking to you...

I'm done talking to you... you know nothing and just another one of jimmers lovers. If you haven't noticed that Kemba is better than Jimmer and has a good chance of being really good in the Nba by all these things I have said have proved you wrong then you will never learn and I'm not gonna sit here proving you wrong constantly when you're not worth my time. I hope you grow up and actually start noticing talent and who is better.. You show your immaturity by using stats from the past that have nothing to do with now and stats don't show everything even though you think they do. Kemba is much more talented and skilled than Jimmer and if you would open your eyes and notice that you would understand. You keep using the same excuses that i've already proven wrong. I'm done talking, grow up kid and quit praising jimmer like he's a god.

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"I'm done talking to you...

"I'm done talking to you... you know nothing and just another one of jimmers lovers. If you haven't noticed that Kemba is better than Jimmer and has a good chance of being really good in the Nba by all these things I have said have proved you wrong then you will never learn and I'm not gonna sit here proving you wrong constantly when you're not worth my time. I hope you grow up and actually start noticing talent and who is better.. You show your immaturity by using stats from the past that have nothing to do with now and stats don't show everything even though you think they do. Kemba is much more talented and skilled than Jimmer and if you would open your eyes and notice that you would understand. You keep using the same excuses that i've already proven wrong. I'm done talking, grow up kid and quit praising jimmer like he's a god."

Lol you mad? Haha.

I personally don't like Jimmer Fredette anymore than I like Kemba Walker, but stats are there. You were the one was posting old stats anyway, remember the "you're disrespecting inefficient scorers like Kobe Bryant and Derrick Rose" argument? Or the ever popular "why can't Kemba Walker go from being a chubby jump shooter to a top 3 NBA PG"?

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I feel like Jimmer is the

I feel like Jimmer is the better choice but I feel their going to get Walker. On an unstable team like that, I feel like Jimmer would be intimidated and shy away. I always change my mind on this pick. I'm going Walker. Everyone has seemed to forgot about Jimmer's little defensive problem.

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"On an unstable team like

"On an unstable team like that, I feel like Jimmer would be intimidated and shy away. I always change my mind on this pick. I'm going Walker. Everyone has seemed to forgot about Jimmer's little defensive problem."

Do you watch basketball? You think Jimmer Fredette would shy away and get intimidated by playing for an NBA team? I just don't understand......If anything, Walker looked intimidated by the Kings by canceling his head-to-head workout with Fredette.

Fredette will be able to defend NBA PG's good enough. He's not going to be a liability on that end at all.

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Jimmer is definetly the

Jimmer is definetly the better choice IMO. I also think he will be a better NBA Player. Walker is definetly going to be good, but IMO Jimmer can just do more. He's a better shooter, and a very crafty driver. He's also not the athletic slouch he was thought to be, and is actually pretty quick. Yes, Kemba was the NCAA champion, and he is also a very good player. But he's not the scorer, or shooter that Jimmer is. Both of them are actually solid passers, but Jimmers ability to create his own shot off the dribble, and make them is just incredible. Jimmer has killed it in every single workout he has gone to, expecially the Kings. I think they are both good prospects, and I don't want to get into an arguement with anyone, but I'm gonna have to agree with Iggy9 on this one and pick Jimmer.

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